Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note in OP 9/4

rob316

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Why does this apply to him and not to Rodgers? Swansea had spent many years carefully selecting managers to cultivate that playing style which we seen under Rodgers. They had the same structures in place around Brendan at the time. Rodgers earlier attempts at management hadn't gone too well.

I would agree to an extent, but Rodgers got Swansea promoted not Martinez or Sousa, that's an unforgiving league winning promotion is very tough.
Swansea are a established club in PL now a few years that is run very well and financially sound, its a more stable environment than Rodgers had.



Rodgers did ok at Watford but his time at Reading was a disaster.

Utopia Parkway

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Chatting with a mate at the weekend and he put something interesting to me when talking about Rodgers. How highly do people rate Garry Monk as a manager? If we did get rid of Rodgers, I would guess absolute uproar would ensue if we hired him? He is currently having an incredible season with Swansea. They are eighth in the table while having lost their best player to City in January.

Incredible season might be pushing it a bit. Roughly around 8th is probably where you would have expected Swansea to be at the beginning of the season. They are an established Premier League team now.

Harry Palmr

The only thing the EL is good for is preparing a squad for playing in the EL for following year. Its like a closed loop 9 times out of ten.

Then revenue from the EL remains pathetic for a prem club - any prem club.

JohnDaniels

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Incredible season might be pushing it a bit. Roughly around 8th is probably where you would have expected Swansea to be at the beginning of the season. They are an established Premier League team now.

The wagebill, netspend etc of the club would beg to differ. I'm pretty sure they are outperforming their wage bill by about 10 places which is usually a pretty fair indicator of where a club should finish.

JohnDaniels

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The only thing the EL is good for is preparing a squad for playing in the EL for following year. Its like a closed loop 9 times out of ten.

Then revenue from the EL remains pathetic for a prem club - any prem club.

Rubbish the manger needs to learn how to juggle European midweek games with a PL fixture list. This is the most important aspect of having European football. I still think his weakest area of management is rotation which won't improve is we have a massive squad next season without any games to use that squad.

MD1990

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The only thing the EL is good for is preparing a squad for playing in the EL for following year. Its like a closed loop 9 times out of ten.

Then revenue from the EL remains pathetic for a prem club - any prem club.

English clubs arrogance towards the EL is stupid considering the CL form. I know it doesn't have huge prizemoney but it should be used as a stepping stone to improve the team for CL football.

Will I Amnt

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Incredible season might be pushing it a bit. Roughly around 8th is probably where you would have expected Swansea to be at the beginning of the season. They are an established Premier League team now.

They have just surpassed their highest PL points total with 6 games remaining. Considering the players they have lost over the last few seasons like Michu, Bony, De Guzman, Allen, Vorm etc. that's pretty good going.

NukaCola

MD1990 wrote: »

The difference with Rodgers & Monk is that Rodgers got promoted with Swansea with a team a with very little PL experience & they had a great season playing great football. With Monk they have more money & have bought PL players in comparison to what Rodgers done. I didn't know whether Rodgers could get us to 2nd back then.

Good point. I guess what i was trying to say was its too early to judge both managers.

NukaCola

Will I Amnt wrote: »

They have just surpassed their highest PL points total with 6 games remaining. Considering the players they have lost over the last few seasons like Michu, Bony, De Guzman, Allen, Vorm etc. that's pretty good going.

Its excellent especially considering their wage structure etc

Tipsy McSwagger

mosstin wrote: »

I do enjoy popping in and out of here on occasion.
Never fails to make me smile.
Lennon to replace Rodgers?
Tipsy by name, ****faced by nature.

I was joking. Do yourself a favour and not pop in anymore if you're going to be that gullible.

Harry Palmr

So then sack everyone and buy Swansea

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So then sack everyone and buy Swansea

We tried that with Southampton and it hasn't worked.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

5starpool wrote: »

I think the opposite will be the case, and the problem. A new manager (no matter who) would change a lot of things and we'd be almost certain to miss out due to those changes even if they improved us long term. Getting rid of Rodgers now would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater essentially, and is too premature.

Providing there is no sequence next season like we had earlier this season, this time next year is when questions might be getting asked seriously if we have shown no progress, but that is a while away yet. Winning the FA Cup would help as well though.

How would you equate progress? 5th place is the ceiling for Liverpool unless 1) Liverpool pay for and attract talent that will dleiver sooner than 12 months; or 2) Liverpool get bankrolled.

Regardless of who's in charge.

Hoki

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I was joking. Do yourself a favour and not pop in anymore if you're going to be that gullible.

Replying with Roy Hodgson would have been a joke , you replied with Neil Lennon and no smiley or exclamation to convey the joke. I think you're back tracking when your suggestion got rightfully shat on.

Tipsy McSwagger

Hoki wrote: »

Replying with Roy Hodgson would have been a joke , you replied with Neil Lennon and no smiley or exclamation to convey the joke. I think you're back tracking when your suggestion got rightfully shat on.

Maybe I should have used one of those fancy memes that are rather popular nowadays or a gif, or maybe my suggestion was so ridiculous most of the posters on here knew it was a piss take.

BoardsMember

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Rubbish the manger needs to learn how to juggle European midweek games with a PL fixture list. This is the most important aspect of having European football. I still think his weakest area of management is rotation which won't improve is we have a massive squad next season without any games to use that squad.

did someone call off next season? ffs

Isn't it possible we might have less players next season, and more games?

JohnDaniels

BoardsMember wrote: »

did someone call of next season? ffs

Isn't it possible we might have less players next season, and more games?

No I don't see how it is possible. What players are you getting rid of? Fair enough we'll drop a few like Johnson(hopefully), Gerrard etc. The fact though is due to last summers approach the squad is quite large as it needed to be to compete in the CL and the PL. I don't see us giving up on many of those players. People like Borini, Balotelli have hardly played so getting rid of them won't have any real impact. I expect we'll sign 3/4 players. The squad without European football will be quite large regardless of business we do in the summer unless we loan or clear out large portions of the squad.

Pyjamarama

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Maybe I should have used one of those fancy memes that are rather popular nowadays or a gif, or maybe my suggestion was so ridiculous most of the posters on here knew it was a piss take.

Most of your posts are equally as ridiculous... should we take them all as you taking the piss?

NukaCola

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

or maybe my suggestion was so ridiculous most of the posters on here knew it was a piss take.

Why don't you answer the original question below then without taking the piss?

Pyjamarama wrote: »

So who do we get in so?!?

BoardsMember

JohnDaniels wrote: »

No I don't see how it is possible. What players are you getting rid of? Fair enough we'll drop a few like Johnson(hopefully), Gerrard etc. The fact though is due to last summers approach the squad is quite large as it needed to be to compete in the CL and the PL. I don't see us giving up on many of those players. People like Borini, Balotelli have hardly played so getting rid of them won't have any real impact. I expect we'll sign 3/4 players. The squad without European football will be quite large regardless of business we do in the summer unless we loan or clear out large portions of the squad.

So we will be losing 3/4 players. And we will have European football. I think I am missing something. Are you discounting European games because they are not champions league? We still need to field a team for these games.

NukaCola

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Most of your posts are equally as ridiculous... should we take them all as you taking the piss?

I lol'd, well played!

6am7f9zxrsjvnb

Why are people critical of Rodgers? He's doing a good job. Mourinho or Guardiola wouldn't take this squad into the top 4.

United and City have at least 4 proven World Class players each- Liverpool have precisely none.

Harry Palmr

Re Johnson the Echo says he has been told he will not be retained next season. No surprise of course but nice to have it pretty much confirmed. There has been chatter about a certain Barcelona right back being free and their 3rd choice Martin Montoya

DVDM93

Coutinho, Sterling, Henderson, Ibe and Can to be sold in a swap deal for 2 freddos, a chomp, a pack of golf balls, an assorted pack containing favourites like Roy of the Rover, Dan Bar, Wham bar and a packet of banshee bones. Oh, and a 12 year old labelled the 'next Messi' from Liechtenstein.

Usually the way it goes doesn't it? Am I doing this right? Sell our best and buy for the future. Then when that future potential becomes what we bought it for in the first place we sell it off. Instead of maybe, I dunno, holding on to them and competing.

Wouldn't mind a Freddo though now tbh who's boiling the kettle?

NukaCola

Keagan Hollow Corner wrote: »

Why are people critical of Rodgers? He's doing a good job. Mourinho or Guardiola wouldn't take this squad into the top 4.

United and City have at least 4 proven World Class players each- Liverpool have precisely none.

No harm in being critical.......he does have his flaws. Some are expecting too much but I think the majority of posters here realise he's doing a good job but does make mistakes, which are open to criticism. As long as its constructive criticism I dont have a problem with it.

JohnDaniels

BoardsMember wrote: »

So we will be losing 3/4 players. And we will have European football. I think I am missing something. Are you discounting European games because they are not champions league? We still need to field a team for these games.

What's going on here? Have you read my post or what the post was replying to? Someone was making the point that they would prefer if we miss out on CL football that we also miss out on the EL. I think it would be a good idea to have European football next season even if that is EL football as we have a squad capable of dealing with it and a manager who needs to learn how to rotate that squad to cope with the demands of European and premiership football together. I'm unclear what you are asking me in relation to all this?

atilladehun

looking at this forum recently I'm beginning to think next year won't be our year.

JohnDaniels

Keagan Hollow Corner wrote: »

Why are people critical of Rodgers? He's doing a good job. Mourinho or Guardiola wouldn't take this squad into the top 4.

United and City have at least 4 proven World Class players each- Liverpool have precisely none.

Just for starters if either of those were managing us we would be in the top four because the likes of Sanchez would have jumped at the idea of moving to us.

Harry Palmr

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Just for starters if either of those were managing us we would be in the top four because the likes of Sanchez would have jumped at the idea of moving to us.

You just changed the whole basis of the point being made.

DVDM93

atilladehun wrote: »

looking at this forum recently I'm beginning to think next year won't be our year.

Sturridge does, good enough for me Our year.

Just a pity he'll be injured for all of it. Will he still get a medal?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9802167/liverpool-striker-daniel-sturridge-confident-liverpool-can-compete-for-premier-league-title-next-season

BoardsMember

JohnDaniels wrote: »

What's going on here? Have you read my post or what the post was replying to? Someone was making the point that they would prefer if we miss out on CL football that we also miss out on the EL. I think it would be a good idea to have European football next season even if that is EL football as we have a squad capable of dealing with it and a manager who needs to learn how to rotate that squad to cope with the demands of European and premiership football together. I'm unclear what you are asking me in relation to all this?

Crossed wires, apologies. My original post was in response to the suggestion we'd have a big squad next year and no games. Maybe I did not read back far enough.

klose

Sturridge out injured apparently 😂

jcsoulinger

JohnDaniels wrote: »

This is exactly the type of rubbish I am talking about. Lending things like ego some intangible quality needed to manage Liverpool is ridiculous. Rodgers is a master at creating this character with all these intangible qualities which football fans eat up.

Its not a coincidence nearly all successful managers seem to have very high opinion of themselves.

Anyway your original post comparing someone managing Liverpool and someone managing Swansea is moronic.

JohnDaniels

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You just changed the whole basis of the point being made.

The squad wouldn't be the squad if they were managers. You can't have your cake and eat it. Just because Rodgers has built a squad not capable of making top 4 doesn't mean you can the point and go oh but no manager could get top 4 with this squad. The others wouldn't have built anything tha resembles this squad, if this squad isn't capable then that is on Rodgers to an extent no matter how much outside his control.

Rodgers draw as a manager or should I say lack of it is a massive component when you consider we already operate under the geographical one. I am beginning to think that you must them supercede that with a manager who can convince big names to sign. The two together are a disaster.

klose

klose wrote: »

Sturridge out injured apparently 😂

Eh, thought he was fit?

Keeping him for Villa I wonder

Pyjamarama

klose wrote: »

Sturridge out injured apparently 😂

I joked with a Villa fan today that Danny wouldn't get injured tonight because he'd get injured before it instead.

jcsoulinger

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Just for starters if either of those were managing us we would be in the top four because the likes of Sanchez would have jumped at the idea of moving to us.

You know that for a fact do ya?

Agent Coulson

Just pay Sterling the £420k a week at least he doesn't get injured.

Tipsy McSwagger

NukaCola wrote: »

Why don't you answer the original question below then without taking the piss?

Klopp or De Boer, Pellegrini if City sack him, wouldn't mind Rafa back either.

mosstin

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I was joking. Do yourself a favour and not pop in anymore if you're going to be that gullible.

I moderate the gullibility forum so my visits here are scarce enough to be fair. Besides, just received a PM from another poster on there who's promised me a date with his sister, Penelope Cruz.

SlickRic

Ibe straight back in the team.

Wow.

JohnDaniels

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Its not a coincidence nearly all successful managers seem to have very high opinion of themselves.

Anyway your original post comparing someone managing Liverpool and someone managing Swansea is moronic.

jcsoulinger wrote: »

You know that for a fact do ya?

You seem to have taken my response personally. It is the internet, relax.

I didn't compare them, I compared a time when they were both managing the same club at a time when they both might move onto something better. You know that Brendan also managed Swansea a few years ago?

Yes I do know for a fact that had Mourinho or Guardiola been managing us we would have signed better players and have a better squad. I don't think that is really the moon landing was faked stuff but maybe that is just me.

klose

SlickRic wrote: »

Ibe straight back in the team.

Wow.

As a winger too and not as a wingback, will be interesting to see how he goes. I assume/hope sturridge is being wrapped in cotton wool for the game at wembley.

Harry Palmr

I've had it with Sturridge

Sell all the strikers and buy Benteke, Austin and Ings. That'll do it.

MonkeyTennis

Injured every 4.5 games

Iused2likebusts

klose wrote: »

As a winger too and not as a wingback, will be interesting to see how he goes. I assume/hope sturridge is being wrapped in cotton wool for the game at wembley.

Ibe could still be wingback Johnson Lovren can in a back 3

SlickRic

It's no wonder Sterling wants 570k a week when he sees how many games Sturridge misses.

LuckyLloyd

MD1990 wrote: »

Lol he took Villarreal to the CL semi finals & Malaga to the QF. The PL is well behind the other top leagues tactically.

lol what? He's the manager and had a good record before City. What the tactical standard is or isn't in the Premiership is irrelevant to an assessment of what he was expected to do with City in European competition and how he has stacked up against same. He has had a very good squad with an excellent spine and struggled in Europe with City. And that failure to live up to his prior European performances with City is a big part of why his imminent dismissal will be justified.

I don't know what your lolling at or why you are suggesting I don't know who Pelligrini was before City hired him?

Tipsy McSwagger

Ibe starts because Markovic is pure useless

jcsoulinger

JohnDaniels wrote: »

You seem to have taken my response personally. It is the internet, relax.

I didn't compare them, I compared a time when they were both managing the same club at a time when they both might move onto something better. You know that Brendan also managed Swansea a few years ago?

Yes I do know for a fact that had Mourinho or Guardiola been managing us we would have signed better players and have a better squad. I don't think that is really the moon landing was faked stuff but maybe that is just me.

If you think your opinion on who Mourinho or Guardiola would have signed is anything more than mindless speculation then I'm not gonna waste my time.