Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note in OP 9/4

Nalz

Charlie19 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae0ilJp8MVc

Looks to be a little rattled.

Least his team played well this weekend. You almost asked for that result today posting LVG's post match interview in this thread for the Lolz

That oul voodoo tinternet job

klose

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Suso makes his debut for Milan in the derby tonight.

Looks a great talent, don't think Liverpool should have let him go but not sure of the politics behind it.

He wouldnt sign a new deal so we sold him before he left on a free

NukaCola

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well I'll to back to Harry and Bale then, was it down to Harry finding a system for Bale to play in that made Bale a great player? Or was he a great player who grew into his role??

I think you may be missing my point completely here.

This is going to be my last point on it. And I'll be clear.

BR did not make Suarez a star.
He picked a system that got the best out of him.
He picked tactics and a game approach that blew teams away last season.
He picked the roles for those players.
The players did not just go out and win games in spite of the manager.
Suarez was the main reason for a great season.
BR and the other players contributed heavily in that success also.

In short, I'm not saying BR is the finished article or he made Suarez a star, but to give him no credit last season is unfair.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Rodgers is a limited manager, that's not going to change. He's out of his depth at Liverpool and Suarez was his life vest for a while, without him, Rodgers is just another average manager who lucked upon a big job.

The jury is out. Next season is make or break but I've seen enough of him to be confident of him being a success. Time will tell.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I loved last season what fan wouldn't but I was just a critical about him with points below as I am this season.


Ok forget Suarez and Rodgers who made who for a minute.


Since Brendan became manager it's been obvious we have needed a defensive coach, This season he hasn't played a striker when there are fit one's on the bench he has played so many players out of position that we the fans slaughter them.

Henderson, Markovic, Moreno, Sterling all as wing backs these things don't show his coaching in a good light to be honest,

He has regressed as a coach along with the players this season his tactic's and in game management are terrible.

He hasn't addressed or tried to fix his faults from what I can see and I don't think he will.

I can accept people criticism of the manager. I wasn't debating that he is good/bad. Just that he deserves credit for last season. Absolutely the last time I'm going to post that

mikeym

I heard the match on the radio and Rickie Lambert was brought on once again in the 90th minute.

Stroke of genius BR.

Smithwicks Man

klose wrote: »

He wouldnt sign a new deal so we sold him before he left on a free

Do you know was it because he wanted more playing time or a wage issue?

Could turn out to be a Pogba-esque mistake.

Mind you, I'm not sure Milan is the right place to get the very best out of any young player at the moment, but he was still an absolute bargain for €1m.

PropJoe10

mikeym wrote: »

I heard the match on the radio and Rickie Lambert was brought on once again in the 90th minute.

Stroke of genius BR.

Think it was about 89.30. Bit insulting to the guy to be honest.

gosplan

Firstly, I think BR is actually really good.

The signings are hit and miss because you're focused on the 5-20 million bracket just like Spurs' hit and miss signings.

You are behind teams that outspent you hugely, not in terms of cash spent in the last 12 months, but in terms of meaningful acquisitions. They got far more value because when you can afford and attract Fabregas, you know exactly what you're getting. A bird in the hand and all that. Buying Balo, Lambert and Markovic is NOT the same as buying Costa. But I think the fans saying 'buy world class' are a bit was in the clouds. No-one world class would sign for Liverpool right now.

The one place I'd question Rodger's is his game management. Heard on an Arsenal blog the comment that he can never turn a game around when it's not going his way. That was about a year ago and I've noticed it since. Would be curious to see some comparative stats for points from a losing position.

mrsoundie

NukaCola wrote: »

I can accept people criticism of the manager. I wasn't debating that he is good/bad. Just that he deserves credit for last season. Absolutely the last time I'm going to post that

Last season is last season, this season is everything, ask Jose.

LuckyLloyd

To be honest, I'm just very disappointed at how the season has turned out. Like everyone else I got carried away last year at how wonderful it all was up to the death. However, we've been sliding backwards very consistently with repeated missteps since we took the field against Chelsea at Anfield just needing a draw.

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Hmmmm.

Gerrard was disappointing. The last year has been a shame and shows how fine the line is for elite players. Echoes of O'Gara's last Irish performance in his recent efforts - i.e. time has so obviously caught up with him.

But the efforts to make this about him, and not the overall picture is pure deflection. Gerrard being poor can't excuse the fact that:

- Rodgers has lost a decent majority of the crunch games we've had over three years;
- Rodgers has been backed in the transfer market and the squad has huge deficiencies;
- There are elements wrong in today's defeat that were wrong in late 2012. There are question marks over the tactical progression the manager has demonstrated;

5starpool wrote: »

The worst thing is almost that there is no real reason to be optimistic for next season at all.

Totally agree. The holes in the squad are too big when the appetite to be aggressive in the transfer market is seemingly so low. We're not a couple of quick fixes away, and Gerrard (irrespective of his form this season) leaves a huge experience / quality hole in the squad that didn't exist when Rodgers took the job.

5starpool wrote: »

Another season of transition ahead I suspect.

I think that if Rodgers is retained he will probably be sacked at some point during the next year. And I agree with the logic of the below:

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Another season, another failure. I'm not going to hop on the 'Rodgers out' bandwagon, but I wouldn't be surprised if Henry sacks him in June and goes all out for Klopp, though I doubt he'd be mad enough to take the job.

It's no secret that we've regressed from last season, and I'm just not convinced that Rodgers can take us further. Aside from Sturridge and Coutinho, he hasn't lit up the transfer market, and if I were Henry, I'd be worried with him spending another £50m+ of my own money, this summer.

I would let Rodgers go at the end of the year. Three years into his reign he has created a squad that needs a lot of work and has a number of players that are set to leave / aren't good enough. This summer is setting up to be a big summer of managerial musical chairs in Europe. I think it's a good time to start over again and I don't think Rodgers will take us forward next year so it's probably good to get out infront of it.

If I was in FSG's shoes I simply couldn't back his judgement in the transfer market, which probably means he has to go. A similar analysis to that around Dalglish in 2012.

People will say 'oh well, we're still not out of the race for fourth'. But honestly? I think more defeats out of our last six games are due which will paint a very grim picture when the summer begins.

Talisman

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Looks a great talent, don't think Liverpool should have let him go but not sure of the politics behind it.

Last summer he was told he was going to be sent out on loan for the season. Suso thought he deserved to stay and was willing to fight for a place in the squad, Rodgers didn't. The player was never going to sign a contract in that situation.

jesus_thats_gre

Trilla wrote: »

Least his team played well this weekend. You almost asked for that result today posting LVG's post match interview in this thread for the Lolz

That oul voodoo tinternet job

What stands out for me was Rodgers yapping about how long City being nowhere near as big a club as Liverpool.

United these past few weeks scare us Liverpool fans as it looks like LVG is on the brink of getting it right. Wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

Tipsy McSwagger

Lots of supporters have now realised after that debacle just how out of his depth Rodgers is. He's a mid table team manager at best who got a massive chance to manage a great club like LFC and has blown it big time.

Caovyn Lineah

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lots of supporters have now realised after that debacle just how out of his depth Rodgers is. He's a mid table team manager at best who got a massive chance to manage a great club like LFC and has blown it big time.

Before he signed, Liverpool were a mid table team, stop thinking otherwise.

Rayne Wooney

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lots of supporters have now realised after that debacle just how out of his depth Rodgers is. He's a mid table team manager at best who got a massive chance to manage a great club like LFC and has blown it big time.

Who's the alternative?

NukaCola

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Who's the alternative?

Klopp if some are to believed :rolleyes:

jesus_thats_gre

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Before he signed, Liverpool were a mid table team, stop thinking otherwise.

With the budget of a top 4 team.

Talisman

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Who's the alternative?

Maybe go back to plan A - Louis van Gaal!

Jon Stark

Trilla wrote: »

Least his team played well this weekend. You almost asked for that result today posting LVG's post match interview in this thread for the Lolz

That oul voodoo tinternet job

You must have bookmarked that post! At least you're matching the sad caseness of the post you quoted.

Caovyn Lineah

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

With the budget of a top 4 team.

5th in wages paid.

weldoninhio

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lots of supporters have now realised after that debacle just how out of his depth Rodgers is. He's a mid table team manager at best who got a massive chance to manage a great club like LFC and has blown it big time.

Was he ever a mid table manager? His stints at Reading and Watford don't suggest so.

Royal Legend

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Suso makes his debut for Milan in the derby tonight.

Looks a great talent, don't think Liverpool should have let him go but not sure of the politics behind it.

Agree 100 %, this is one sale that might come back to haunt us

Tipsy McSwagger

weldoninhio wrote: »

Was he ever a mid table manager? His stints at Reading and Watford don't suggest so.

I never said the premiership:)

Agent Coulson

de Boer is the man FSG would go for would be my guess if the fire Rodgers.

I would like Klopp.

But what Liverpool need right now before the transfer window opens is a name value person at the club who can attract players.

de Boer & Klopp fit that profile they can go to big clubs and open doors to talk about transfers with just there name alone players will listen to them.

No one at Liverpool can do that anymore.

weldoninhio

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Who's the alternative?

Gary Monk, done a better job at Swansea that Rodgers.

Villa Boas, has actually won things in his career.

Pellegrini, looks to be on his way out of City.

Klopp, depending on what clubs come in for him.

Rijkaard, he did well at Barca.

Loads of managers out there. It's about finding the right fit and right philosophy for the club. Rodgers' David Brentesque middle management style is embarrassing.

Turtyturd

Suso should do well in the Serie A retirement home. Would fancy my own chances there.

Caovyn Lineah

weldoninhio wrote: »

Gary Monk, done a better job at Swansea that Rodgers.

Villa Boas, has actually won things in his career.

Pellegrini, looks to be on his way out of City.

Klopp, depending on what clubs come in for him.

Rijkaard, he did well at Barca.

Loads of managers out there. It's about finding the right fit and right philosophy for the club. Rodgers' David Brentesque middle management style is embarrassing.

AVB and Rijkaard, ****ing hell hahahaha.

weldoninhio

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

AVB and Rijkaard, ****ing hell hahahaha.

I'm not sure what's funny.

Smithwicks Man

Turtyturd wrote: »

Suso should do well in the Serie A retirement home. Would fancy my own chances there.

Looking likely to take the Premierships 4th CL place in the next 2/3 years, I guess that would make the Premiership like a really rich morgue?

PropJoe10

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm not sure what's funny.

AVB? He was a roaring success in England alright.

mosstin

weldoninhio wrote: »

Gary Monk, done a better job at Swansea that Rodgers.

Villa Boas, has actually won things in his career.

Pellegrini, looks to be on his way out of City.

Klopp, depending on what clubs come in for him.

Rijkaard, he did well at Barca.

Loads of managers out there. It's about finding the right fit and right philosophy for the club. Rodgers' David Brentesque middle management style is embarrassing.

Poster suggests Monk and Rijkaard as possible replacements for Rodgers.
Then compares Rodgers to David Brent.
Irony.

Caovyn Lineah

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm not sure what's funny.

Your football knowledge or complete lack thereof.

Rijkaard who was sacked by Saudi Arabia and was last heard of at a school in Florida is now ok to manage Liverpool

Potential Underachiever

I thought Weldoninho supported united? His posts certainly don't suggest otherwise.

Tipsy McSwagger

PropJoe10 wrote: »

AVB? He was a roaring success in England alright.

Spurs finished on 72 points under him and missed out on 4th to Arsenal by 1 point. He wouldn't be my pick but he would do a better job than Rodgers.

Turtyturd

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm not sure what's funny.

The fact that some people actually take you seriously.

Caovyn Lineah

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Spurs finished on 72 points under him and missed out on 4th to Arsenal by 1 point. He wouldn't be my pick but he would do a better job than Rodgers.

Liverpool finished 2nd under Rodgers.

Pyjamarama

People might disagree with LL and Alan but at least in general their posts have some substance to them. The two boys on here today would give Dunphy and Giles a run for their money in the ludicrous stakes.

Bowlardo

i would like br to have one more year but for the love of **** get him the players he wants. if we are not in the champions league after that then he can tip on
Milner , song and ings , pancake from roma and a top drawer proven stirker
bring back tex ilori and wisdom for the squad and uefa ( if we get it)
I think klopp is sick of slumming it with low budget so is cities or arseanl the year after next

The need to gerard to play gerard will be gone next year and i can't in good conscience judge the man until stevie has gone

viper006

gosplan wrote: »

Firstly, I think BR is actually really good.

The signings are hit and miss because you're focused on the 5-20 million bracket just like Spurs' hit and miss signings.

That's incredibly generous praise with almost zero foundation. lallnana 25m, louvren 20m, Markovic 20m and a combined 30m for moreno and ballotelli is a world class mismanagement of funds.

We somehow sold our best player to Barcelona who funded the deal selling Sanchez to arsenal and cesc to Chelsea Hugely strengthening each while we lost out hugely. The one exciting signing in Remy we looked to have secured ended up at Chelsea as well. How things have being allowed to play out to the extend our top scorer has about 6 goals and we have borini and Lambert as saviours from the bench is incredibly poor management in my book

NukaCola

AVBs time in the EPL wasn't a success leaving big question marks of his ability.
Rijkaard hasn't done anything of note in 7/8 years.

Tipsy McSwagger

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Liverpool finished 2nd under Rodgers.

After Villas-Boas finished 5th he was sacked the following season at Christmas with Spurs in 7th, same thing should happen to Rodgers.

Turtyturd

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I thought Weldoninho supported united? His posts certainly don't suggest otherwise.

Nah, he has been saying 'we' all day, definite Liverpool fan.

Charlie19

Trilla wrote: »

Least his team played well this weekend. You almost asked for that result today posting LVG's post match interview in this thread for the Lolz

That oul voodoo tinternet job

Yup, Its all my fault.

Jon Stark wrote: »

You must have bookmarked that post! At least you're matching the sad caseness of the post you quoted.

Really

JohnDaniels

Ah, to hell with it but I'm going there. Can you imagine Anfield for the first game of the season if this man was in the dugout. Inside Anfield he never really lost the match going fan. Already videos of Liverpool fans coming home from the semi on the tube out signing the Rafa song. I honestly think it would be one of the greatest sporting moments I ever witness, to see Rafa coming home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHC7lIfvk4

Tipsy McSwagger

Pyjamarama wrote: »

People might disagree with LL and Alan but at least in general their posts have some substance to them. The two boys on here today would give Dunphy and Giles a run for their money in the ludicrous stakes.

I thought you were gone to stick your head in the sand for a while.

Caovyn Lineah

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

After Villas-Boas finished 5th he was sacked the following season at Christmas with Spurs in 7th, same thing should happen to Rodgers.

Sorry but you're talking ****.
Avb is good enough to manage Liverpool because he finished 5th while Rodgers isn't good enough because he finished 2nd and now looks like finishing 5th. You appear to be full of **** or a very confused little boy.

Agent Coulson

Klopp leaving his job could start the biggest manager merry go round in years to be honest.

Again if Brendan was to get the sack I would love to see us try for Ancelotti he will get sacked more than likely this season too.

Pyjamarama

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

After Villas-Boas finished 5th he was sacked the following season at Christmas with Spurs in 7th, same thing should happen to Rodgers.

We're likely to finish fifth and be disappointed in it, but that's finishing in the exact same position is the proof that another manager is the right call... You're gas craic.

NukaCola

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

After Villas-Boas finished 5th he was sacked the following season at Christmas with Spurs in 7th, same thing should happen to Rodgers.

It probably will. Few could have complaints if this happens.

Chucky the tree

Ancelloti come to Liverpool? Lay off the crack lad.