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MightyMandarin

Hollister11 wrote: »

No, I don't think he would discuss much better, he might of won us a cup this season, but not ah upgrade.

Well if he won the Europa League with us next season, that's as good as top4, and considering his noted success with teams in Europe, that's not a far-off possibility.

Personally I'd rather Klopp as I think his personality alone would attract some players, and he also has a proven record at Dortmund both domestically and in Europe, but Rafa would be an upgrade on Rodgers imo. More experience, one of the best tactical managers around, and who knows, he might even bring Higuain along with him.

weldoninhio

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I took you up wrong.

You seem to do that quite a lot in here.

5starpool

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Of course I want us to win trophies but given the choice between a league title and a Champions League, give me the premier league every single time. That's all I am saying.

I cannot stand the fickle nature of new age fans, I would love to see how the people calling for his head and completely disrespecting the man felt last April after we beat City at Anfield.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I long for us to win a league title too, and the sense of excitement at the end of last season was amazing. I had the fortune to attend a few late season games last year (including sadly the Chelsea game) but it was great while it lasted.

Sadly though we are miles away from there. If we still had Suarez this season I don't think we'd have won the league, but I think we'd have been about 10 points or so better off anyhow (well, ignoring his 'break' until the end of October). There is a lot of work to do there, so in the next 5 years, realistically I'd like us to win a domestic cup, finish in the top 4 a couple of times and acquit ourselves better in Europe.

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Seeing that Rafa is looking to be free this summer, would you be happy to replace Rodgers with him?

I don't want us to sack Rodgers. If we did though I'd probably be less annoyed than I was when Rafa got sacked for a few reasons. Saying that though I don't think Rafa would be the right appointment for us and would have a few other targets ahead of him, purely because of the baggage of the last time and the fact that it would divide the fan base a bit. I would much prefer him to be appointed though of course over the next up and coming young gun who has never managed at any sort of big club before. The list of those I'd want approached ahead of him though is fairly short, and probably not that realistic in parts.

I'm a huge Rafa fan and think it was disgraceful when he was sacked (if inevitable given all the things going on), but I don't think FSG would go there anyhow, regardless of any logic to it.

Hollister11

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Well if he won the Europa League with us next season, that's as good as top4, and considering his noted success with teams in Europe, that's not a far-off possibility.

Personally I'd rather Klopp as I think his personality alone would attract some players, and he also has a proven record at Dortmund both domestically and in Europe, but Rafa would be an upgrade on Rodgers imo. More experience, one of the best tactical managers around, and who knows, he might even bring Higuain along with him.

You don't want to bring old managers back. Your better off leaving the past, in the past.

monkey9

I don't really mind FSG's policy of buying youth and potential. I do like the idea of building the club up from the youths to the 1st team rather than just have City and Chelsea type scenarios (should a billionaire buy the club and splash the cash, I'd go along with it, don't get me wrong).

But if you're going to go the FSG route, at least make sure the spine of the team is top notch. Get a proper quality goalkeeper, commanding centre back, midfielder and a reliable top notch striker and flesh it out with the FSG policy signings.

Caovyn Lineah

monkey9 wrote: »

I don't really mind FSG's policy of buying youth and potential. I do like the idea of building the club up from the youths to the 1st team rather than just have City and Chelsea type scenarios (should a billionaire buy the club and splash the cash, I'd go along with it, don't get me wrong).

But if you're going to go the FSG route, at least make sure the spine of the team is top notch. Get a proper quality goalkeeper, commanding centre back, midfielder and a reliable top notch striker and flesh it out with the FSG policy signings.

This is my main issue right now, I have had enough with signing potential. Our squad is big enough now that we don't need to sign 6/7/8 players this summer to bulk it out even further,we need 3 genuine top class players who come in and immediately improve our first 11.

Rodgers needs to decide on a settled formation and sign the players necessary to make it work, enough shoehorning players in to positions they're not used to and just don't fit.

monkey9

monkey9 wrote: »

I don't really mind FSG's policy of buying youth and potential. I do like the idea of building the club up from the youths to the 1st team rather than just have City and Chelsea type scenarios (should a billionaire buy the club and splash the cash, I'd go along with it, don't get me wrong).

But if you're going to go the FSG route, at least make sure the spine of the team is top notch. Get a proper quality goalkeeper, commanding centre back, midfielder and a reliable top notch striker and flesh it out with the FSG policy signings.

Good post.

The spine our team is flimsy to say the least.

Keeper is hit and miss.
CBs the same.
CM badly needed
Striker vital as ours is broken

Hollister11

Counter attacking football is our best bet with Rodgers. A 4-2-3-1 would suit Rodgers, as we can keep possession and break and score. We don't need to try and win 4/5-0, we need a solid defence, get 1/2 goals up, and kill the game. Like Cheslea

Caovyn Lineah

rarnes1 wrote: »

Good post.

The spine our team is flimsy to say the least.

Keeper is hit and miss.
CBs the same.
CM badly needed
Striker vital as ours is broken

We need a keeper, no doubt.

I don't think we'll be signing a cb.

Milner, Sissoko and Kheidera would be amazing for midfield. Any 2 of the 3 and I'd be happy. Talks of Pjanic is delusional.

Striker, again, definitely need Origi +2. The problem is, I don't think there are too many realistic ones available.

Charlie19

rarnes1 wrote: »

Good post.

The spine our team is flimsy to say the least.

Keeper is hit and miss.
CBs the same.
CM badly needed
Striker vital as ours is broken

I'd be happy enough with the CBs and Keeper for next season, once better cover for Mig is brought in. I totally agree about brining in a Striker and Midfielder, FSG really need to dig deep for competitive fees and wages.

Motd saving the best for last.

MD1990

rarnes1 wrote: »

Good post.

The spine our team is flimsy to say the least.

Keeper is hit and miss.
CBs the same.
CM badly needed
Striker vital as ours is broken

Sakho is an excellent CB imo.

super_furry

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Seeing that Rafa is looking to be free this summer, would you be happy to replace Rodgers with him?

All day long. He's a proven winner. He's won La Liga, he's won the Champions League, he's won the Europa League. Rodger's is a league bellow.

MightyMandarin

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

We need a keeper, no doubt.

I don't think we'll be signing a cb.

Milner,Sissoko and Kheidera would be amazing for midfield. Any 2 of the 3 and I'd be happy. Talks of Pjanic is delusional.

Striker, again, definitely need Origi +2. The problem is, I don't think there are too many realistic ones available.

As in Newcastle Sissoko? Cmon now, I'd rather have the 'welsh Xavi' in there than him.

Charlie19

Another cracking goal from Adam today, its a pity he was too fond of the beer and pies.

Caovyn Lineah

MightyMandarin wrote: »

As in Newcastle Sissoko? Cmon now, I'd rather have the 'welsh Xavi' in there than him.

Yes.

MightyMandarin

Charlie19 wrote: »

Another cracking goal from Adam today, its a pity he was too fond of the beer and pies.

Being absolute ****e might have something to do with his failure here too.

MightyMandarin

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Yes.

You have seen Newcastle of late, haven't you? And what has Sissoko ever done to justify us buying him? He's a decent player at best.

Charlie19

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Being absolute ****e might have something to do with his failure here too.

Well yes but beer and pies is a nicer way of putting it.

Caovyn Lineah

MightyMandarin wrote: »

You have seen Newcastle of late, haven't you? And what has Sissoko ever done to justify us buying him? He's a decent player at best.

A French international midfielder who played in last years world cup? Full of energy and running, a great eye for a pass, scores goals, tall, strong, very fast. I can't for the life of me think what he would add to our midfield.

MightyMandarin

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

A French international midfielder who played in last years world cup? Full of energy and running, a great eye for a pass, scores goals, tall, strong, very fast. I can't for the life of me think what he would add to our midfield.

Ah cmon if he was as good as you think he is then at least there'd have been some attempts to swipe him from Newcastle last summer or in january, especially considering how terrible they are and how tight Ashley is.

And if he was anyway good, you'd hear pundits talk regularly of how clubs should be after him, because he's in such a **** team and he'd look a lot better than his teammates.

Ardent

Random thought: anyone know what Anthony Le Tallec is up to these days. Remember being very excited when we signed him and Pongolle.

mosstin

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

A French international midfielder who played in last years world cup? Full of energy and running, a great eye for a pass, scores goals, tall, strong, very fast. I can't for the life of me think what he would add to our midfield.

Christ Caovyn, every time I look in here you're being unpleasant to someone. Any need for the constant belligerence? People disagree in here all the time, but not with the same aggression. Just an opinion, mind.

Hollister11

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

We need a keeper, no doubt.

I don't think we'll be signing a cb.

Milner, Sissoko and Kheidera would be amazing for midfield. Any 2 of the 3 and I'd be happy. Talks of Pjanic is delusional.

Striker, again, definitely need Origi +2. The problem is, I don't think there are too many realistic ones available.

Sissoko doesn't score goals and doesn't assist goals. He's an average player in a ****e team. I hope we go no where near him. I wouldn't take khedira either. Not for what he would contribute and the wages he would want. There's a reason real aren't offering him a new deal.
I'd take Milner. He works his socks off every game.

Charlie19

Ardent wrote: »

Random thought: anyone know what Anthony Le Tallec is up to these days. Remember being very excited when we signed him and Pongolle.

No but I did see a tweet there a while back about Peguy aphexred being a porn star back in Guatemala.

Talisman

Ardent wrote: »

Random thought: anyone know what Anthony Le Tallec is up to these days. Remember being very excited when we signed him and Pongolle.

He's playing in the lower leagues in France. Sinama Pongolle went to a MLS team last summer.

Hollister11

Ardent wrote: »

Random thought: anyone know what Anthony Le Tallec is up to these days. Remember being very excited when we signed him and Pongolle.

Le Tallec currently plays for Valenciennes in Ligue 2 in France. They were relegated from Ligue 1 last season, and are currently 16th.

Pongolle is playing for FC Lausanne-Sport, in the Swiss second division. They were also relegated last season.

Some fall from grace eh ?

Demosthenese

"We need a new Centre Half, Centre Mid and Striker" eh? Ones that will walk into the first 11 and be upgrades on what we have! It is not so simple with our wage structure and transfer policy.

We need to face reality here and accept that IF there was an affordable Striker out there that fit our wage bill and was willing to come here he would opt for United/Chelsea/City/Arsenal ahead of us for starters!!! Also, IF, we go for something a little more risky and unproved in the PL we can be hit and miss.

Soldado - who knew that one would go so badly! 25million!
Pelle - 50 odd goals for Feyenoord over 2 seasons then comes to the PL and gets 11 so far. 8 Million.
Ballotelli - Been pretty much a disaster. One minute BR says he cannot play our system of high pressure but then relies on him in times of need. Fell badly short, i wasn't elated when we got him but still expected to see 8-10 goals minimum from him??? 15mill.

... different strikers from all spectrums. Just saying you never know what you'll get. If they will fit your system or start out on fire. FSG seem to want to promote youth policy and seem destined to try 3*10mill potential players rather than 1*30mill player ... unfortunately we will have to see a few more fail before we find the rough gem!

Same goes for Centre halves and mids ... everyone is looking for proven quality players.

Before this season started and after our summer transfers i was happy (Kinda of excited about) with Lallana/Lovern/Can/Moreno/Lazar as they all seemed to be decent buys although the transfer fees for Lazar/Lallana/Lovern were a little scandalous. I guess i could quite easily just say "Ah sure i knew it would all end badly and the signings were ****e and it's BR's fault" ...

We badly need to buy a quality striker, or discover a striker. We've actually done ok considering we haven't had a decent striker all season.

brevity

There are a few differences between Rafa and Rodgers but one that stands out to me is that if Rafa had said this

We sit in fifth place, having reached two cup semi-finals, which is probably on par with where we are at.

after spending 100 million euro on players (and failing miserably in Europe) then he most likely would not have the support of the fans or the press. In fact, I would say the press would have a field day with the whole thing and compound issues even further.

MightyMandarin

brevity wrote: »

There are a few differences between Rafa and Rodgers but one that stands out to me is that if Rafa had said this



after spending 100 million euro on players (and failing miserably in Europe) then he most likely would not have the support of the fans or the press. In fact, I would say the press would have a field day with the whole thing and compound issues even further.

Rodgers' description of a draw to West Brom as 'outstanding', after spending £116m on players' albeit after selling Suarez, is just too much for me.

donfers

we are an awful awful football team at the moment

we have to take action

we can do one of two things

1 scrap the transfer committee that has an abysmal hit rate if about 7% and has wasted millions and replace it with DOF like Monchi

or

2 fire Rodgers and get Klopp in

Talisman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

With Ian Ayre maybe leaving in the summer I wonder will there be wholesale changes throughout the club?

If Ayre is leaving or being shunted back to his old job then Rodgers job is safe for another season. Replacing the CEO and manager at the same time would be madness.

brevity

This Monchi thing is interesting. I've never heard of him before and it's a bit of a surprise hearing him even linked with Liverpool considering Rodgers very obvious stance on the DOF position. Perhaps FSG are thinking that they need to get some experience in. They also have the upper hand in saying "Considering the complete **** up that you have made this season, work with the DOF or leave." There are some high profile managers available if he does leave and they could easily make an offer for them. Judging by their history FSG are not shy about making hard decisions.

niallo27

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

In his 3rd season, we finished 3rd with 68 points. That just shows how easy it was to achieve top 4 back then. Coupled with 2 poor cup runs in England, judging by today's standards he should have been fired despite the champions league final and being dominated by Milan.

Just saw this now. So after winning a champions league and FA cup and then getting to another champions league final and coming third you wanted him sacked. Sweet Jesus on a bicycle.

super_furry

Outstanding. He had the nerve to call that toothless nonsense outstanding!

Liverpool FC will win nothing as long as Brendan Rodgers is in charge.

2015 has seen a solid enough defence, arsenal provided the only arse opening... Plenty clean sheets. People questioned could Rodgers get the team to do that and he did.

As bad as some think things are two half decent strikers coming in and things will be a great deal better .... Poor 1/3 of the season was almost fatal to top 4, defeats to utd and arsenal were the knock out blows.

Identifyiny and closing deals on two half decent strikers isn't overly simple but it should be quite doable, especially if origi is one of them

Shouldnt be hard to upgrade on borini, Lambert & a balotelli that's been worse than most imagined to be possible.

Kirby

super_furry wrote: »

Outstanding. He had the nerve to call that toothless nonsense outstanding!

Liverpool FC will win nothing as long as Brendan Rodgers is in charge.

He's being doing it all season. "Excellent" and "outstanding" are two of his favourite words to use in interviews and it doesn't seem to matter if the team or player he is describing played well or not. He'll say it anyway. He really is the king of sh*te talk.

I'm sure if somebody sat him down and showed him a compilation of his interviews he would be embarrassed and change the way he does them. Clearly, nobody has.

..... Just to add, as we won't be appearing in CL next season whoever we do buy needs to be of half decent PL quality, the punt on Balotelli was quite likely due in part due to the levels he played at previously and we did need someone of that ilk... World cup scorer etc etc.

Not lowering hopes but someone who can regualarly unlock defences of the bottom 15 PL teams will do for next year, the requirement for a Suarezesque, Sanchezesque striker can be kicked down the road a bit imo all things considered.

dfx-

Augeo wrote: »

2015 has seen a solid enough defence, arsenal provided the only arse opening... Plenty clean sheets. People questioned could Rodgers get the team to do that and he did.

Rodgers appears to be able to work with one area of a team at a time. He came in and it was the midfield and issues in both boxes.

Then last season, he had the strikeforce firing, but poor in defence. Now he has the defence, but at the expense of the goalscoring.

He has yet to put everything together at once.

Augeo wrote: »

Not lowering hopes but someone who can regualarly unlock defences of the bottom 15 PL teams will do for next year, the requirement for a Suarezesque, Sanchezesque striker can be kicked down the road a bit imo all things considered.

It's not that simple. If he keeps changing formation, what do you buy. A guy who can take one chance or a guy who brings others into it or a guy who creates lots, but perhaps is profligate. Rodgers keeps changing what is needed from the striker.

He needs to pick one way, stick to it and put defence and attack together with it.

Strongbow10

Where has this Monchi rumour popped up?

I'm guessing its complete rubbish, the man has turned down Barca time after time.

dfx-

dfx- wrote: »

Rodgers appears to be able to work with one area of a team at a time. He came in and it was the midfield and issues in both boxes.

Then last season, he had the strikeforce firing, but poor in defence. Now he has the defence, but at the expense of the goalscoring.

He has yet to put everything together at once.



It's not that simple. If he keeps changing formation, what do you buy.......

At the expense of goalscoring? Surely you don't believe that, apart from sturridge poor strikers is why there aren't goals.

dfx-

It's not really about the quality of strikers as such since Liverpool are not hammering the door down. They're not creating anything, with or without Sturridge or anyone else. The strikers are not missing loads of chances.

dfx-

dfx- wrote: »

It's not really about the quality of strikers as such since Liverpool are not hammering the door down. They're not creating anything, with or without Sturridge or anyone else. The strikers are not missing loads of chances.

I don't think creating chances is the problem tbh.

Converting them is.

Caovyn Lineah

niallo27 wrote: »

Just saw this now. So after winning a champions league and FA cup and then getting to another champions league final and coming third you wanted him sacked. Sweet Jesus on a bicycle.

At no point did I say I wanted him sacked.

NukaCola

Our season is effectively over with 5 games left. We are now scrapping it out for 5th. Very disappointing no other way to spin it.

Agent Coulson

NukaCola wrote: »

Our season is effectively over with 5 games left. We are now scrapping it out for 5th. Very disappointing no other way to spin it.

Really?

Well we have been outstanding all season and on par where we should be.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Really?

Well we have been outstanding all season and on par where we should be.

I think BR will come to regret those comments.

On par on 5th should not mean fighting it out for 5th while putting no pressure on top 4. No guarantee we'll even hit par either.

Agent Coulson

NukaCola wrote: »

I think BR will come to regret those comments.

On par on 5th should not mean fighting it out for 5th while putting no pressure on top 4. No guarantee we'll even hit par either.

I really wish he would say something like...The whole team isn't playing up to the standard the club and fans expect and I demand this will be something I will deal with and work on with the team in training.

It's simple it tells the fans..Look I understand you are frustrated I will work on getting the team perform better for you.

He just doesn't seem like a motivator of players to me.

Maybe he is just a very good coach and not a good manager.

rob316

Monchi is sevilla through and through they would be screwed financially if he left. Some of the names he has bought and sold are huge talents. He would be a no brainer to bring him in if he was gettable though.

I read an article by Graham hunter before on him and it basically said he is the reason sevilla exsist today.

K-9

brevity wrote: »

There are a few differences between Rafa and Rodgers but one that stands out to me is that if Rafa had said this



after spending 100 million euro on players (and failing miserably in Europe) then he most likely would not have the support of the fans or the press. In fact, I would say the press would have a field day with the whole thing and compound issues even further.

That would have been very worrying considering we were in the top 3 spenders at the time. No City or Spurs as threats.

Context and realism and living in the present is lost on some.