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Dublin West General Election - SEE MOD NOTE POST 19.

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    #422
    ThisRegard
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Shame it will probably be all changed from this evening.

    As.night follows day, a people carrier was unloading a pile of posters for Chambers as I drove by this evening, looks like the guy was planning on plastering the railings at the entrance to Tyrrelstown with posters.


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    #423
    Zaph
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    It's a shame that they're not limited to the number of posters they can use. Something like "here's your 200 posters, use them wisely because you won't be getting any more". At least then you wouldn't see the wanton plastering of the bloody things on every available pole or fence for the next few weeks.


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    #424
    Canadel
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    smallerthanyou wrote: »
    I'm relatively young but just can't imagine voting for a 22 year old with limited life experience to form opinions of his own. I'm sure he has opinions, I just doubt they are his own. I think I'd give Mcguinness a preference though. Probably wouldn't have if he was still ff.

    Sf and noone posters up at clonsilla train station this morning.
    I'm pretty sure he's 24/25, and I'm absolutely sure that life experience isn't limited to having lived a longer life.


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    #425
    athtrasna
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    Just drove home through Castleknock and the standard of postering is shocking. Every single Renua poster is illegally low and spotted Chambers on electricity poles and traffic signs :o


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    #426
    ThisRegard
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    Canadel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure he's 24/25, and I'm absolutely sure that life experience isn't limited to having lived a longer life.

    What life experience do you think he brings to the table?


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    #427
    athtrasna
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    Giggled my way down the Hartstown Road just now, looks like there's a different party up a ladder at every pole!


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    #428
    Zaph
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    Shame the wind has died down. :D


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    #429
    Larbre34
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    Bring on Storm Imogen, i hope she's a biggun!


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    #430
    angryIreGamer
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    Can someone point me to where i can see the rules for posters, and where i can complain?


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    #431
    angryIreGamer
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    Canadel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure he's 24/25, and I'm absolutely sure that life experience isn't limited to having lived a longer life.

    what experience has he got? Has he paid tax? moved tax brackets? filed a p21? received a p45? Registered his pps number with a new employer? Has he ever been a member of a union? had a peer review?


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    #432
    angryIreGamer
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    how many candidates are currently sitting on the CC?


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    #433
    Kiwi_knock
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    angryIreGamer wrote: »
    how many candidates are currently sitting on the CC?

    4- Donnelly, McGuinness, O'Gorman, and Chamber.


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    #434
    Godge
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    athtrasna wrote: »
    Just drove home through Castleknock and the standard of postering is shocking. Every single Renua poster is illegally low and spotted Chambers on electricity poles and traffic signs :o

    Have to agree, the posters were shocking and you have identified the two biggest culprits. However, Clare has put up his overnight and they are even lower.

    Not a sign of a McGuinness or O'Gorman poster.


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    #435
    chucknorris
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    angryIreGamer wrote: »
    what experience has he got? Has he paid tax? moved tax brackets? filed a p21? received a p45? Registered his pps number with a new employer? Has he ever been a member of a union? had a peer review?

    The only taxable position he had was one of county councillor, for little over a year now. His performance in there is non existent. But

    A county councillor is a vocation, not a job.

    I know some people will not like negativity toward a candidate, but, the two heavy hitters are here in leo and Joan. That's what jack is up against.

    Leo is a fully qualified doctor. Jack pulled out of his studies.
    Leo worked for a living. Jack has not.
    Leo has a mortgage. Jack lives in a gated community with his parents.


    This is how people think when electing a government.


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    #436
    chucknorris
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    Godge wrote: »
    Have to agree, the posters were shocking and you have identified the two biggest culprits. However, Clare has put up his overnight and they are even lower.

    Not a sign of a McGuinness or O'Gorman poster.

    They're coming ;)


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    #437
    Larbre34
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    The RTE Election 2016 page has offered all 500+ candidates an opportunity to post a one minute video to promote themselves. Most have. They make interesting viewing.


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    #438
    AGC
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    chucknorris wrote: »
    The only taxable position he had was one of county councillor, for little over a year now. His performance in there is non existent. But

    A county councillor is a vocation, not a job.

    I know some people will not like negativity toward a candidate, but, the two heavy hitters are here in leo and Joan. That's what jack is up against.

    Leo is a fully qualified doctor. Jack pulled out of his studies.
    Leo worked for a living. Jack has not.
    Leo has a mortgage. Jack lives in a gated community with his parents.


    This is how people think when electing a government.

    He is a County Councillor since May 2014, a bit more than 'A little over a year ago' and he won his seat quite easily, topping the poll. He sits on 4 maybe 5 committees and is Deputy Mayor, I wouldn't say 'non existent'

    He pulled out of his medical studies when elected to the council, don't forget this is after getting an Honours Degree in Law and Politics.

    You would be hard pressed to find any single 24 year old in the country, working or not, who has the ability to get, don't mind even hold down a mortgage.

    But don't vote for him because he has never had a job:rolleyes:

    That post just comes across bitter chuck.


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    #439
    ThisRegard
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    AGC wrote: »
    He pulled out of his medical studies when elected to the council, don't forget this is after getting an Honours Degree in Law and Politics.

    You would be hard pressed to find any single 24 year old in the country, working or not, who has the ability to get, don't mind even hold down a mortgage.

    But don't vote for him because he has never had a job:rolleyes:

    That post just comes across bitter chuck.

    That's a pretty stupid thing to do, drop out of medical studies to take up a part time job?

    Look, the guy still lives at home, doesn't have to manage any sort of serious financial issues, and never has had a full time job.

    Like it or not, it's a very serious negative on his behalf.


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    #440
    athtrasna
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    Godge wrote: »
    Have to agree, the posters were shocking and you have identified the two biggest culprits. However, Clare has put up his overnight and they are even lower.

    Not a sign of a McGuinness or O'Gorman poster.

    O'Gorman posters were up in Blanchardstown last night, more to follow probably.

    Talking to a woman from Corduff last night. She said SF posters went up on Monday night!


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    #441
    Blured
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    Playing Devils advocate, but David McGuinness was the youngest ever county counciller for FF at 23 and was 25 when he ran in 2011, don't think we heard too much from McGuinness supporters then talking about inexperience and age


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    #442
    January
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    Blured wrote: »
    Playing Devils advocate, but David McGuinness was the youngest ever county counciller for FF at 23 and was 25 when he ran in 2011, don't think we heard too much from McGuinness supporters then talking about inexperience and age

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the main difference is that David had a job and didn't live with his mammy.


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    #443
    AGC
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    Blured wrote: »
    Playing Devils advocate, but David McGuinness was the youngest ever county counciller for FF at 23 and was 25 when he ran in 2011, don't think we heard too much from McGuinness supporters then talking about inexperience and age

    They'll tell you he was working.


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    #444
    AGC
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    January wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the main difference is that David had a job and didn't live with his mammy.

    I love this 'living with his mammy' 'living in a gated community with his parents'

    How many single 24 year olds are out on their own with a mortgage???


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    #445
    Zaph
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    AGC wrote: »
    He is a County Councillor since May 2014, a bit more than 'A little over a year ago' and he won his seat quite easily, topping the poll. He sits on 4 maybe 5 committees and is Deputy Mayor, I wouldn't say 'non existent'

    He pulled out of his medical studies when elected to the council, don't forget this is after getting an Honours Degree in Law and Politics.

    You would be hard pressed to find any single 24 year old in the country, working or not, who has the ability to get, don't mind even hold down a mortgage.

    But don't vote for him because he has never had a job:rolleyes:

    That post just comes across bitter chuck.

    I don't see chuck's post as being bitter, although I would say that the McGuinness camp have every reason to feel that way. You have a party that has discarded a candidate who has gone from picking up around 600 first preference votes in 2011 to being the last candidate to contest the seat against Ruth Coppinger in the 2014 bye-election. Even if you're not a FF supporter it's clear that he was doing something right. And then he gets dumped for a student who has no political background other than a brief stint on the county council but who does have the right family connections. FF have seriously shot themselves in the foot here imo. Not only have they removed a genuine contender for a seat from the party gene pool and put him in direct opposition to their chosen one, but they've reinforced the "old boys' club" mentality of Irish politics that many had hoped that we were getting away from.


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    #446
    chucknorris
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    @AGC It is not bitter, it is a reality.

    Sitting on boards in the council is a position that involves extremely very little. Go to Fingal county council meetings online, find how many times he has contributed or spoke in chamber.

    Now keep this in mind. He wants to go to parliament. As for deputy mayor - he was elected to that by FF councillors. It's a way to get a photo op and performs no other function.

    While checking, see if you can find who contributes most at council level, but in terms of speaking and motions and the work they were elected to do.

    The problem is, no one bothers to check and no one really cares.

    Finally - most students work a part time job to study and keep active and most parents insist on it. It's part of being brought up responsibly.


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    January
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    AGC wrote: »
    I love this 'living with his mammy' 'living in a gated community with his parents'

    How many single 24 year olds are out on their own with a mortgage???

    Most people I know were out of their parents house by the age of 24. They might not have had mortgages but they had degrees (or a trade) and rented.


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    #448
    chucknorris
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    Blured wrote: »
    Playing Devils advocate, but David McGuinness was the youngest ever county counciller for FF at 23 and was 25 when he ran in 2011, don't think we heard too much from McGuinness supporters then talking about inexperience and age

    David was a teacher (from 21) before being a county councillor. He put himself in 3rd level and COMPLETED it. He had no leg up from no one and so too has many others.

    It's just a reality.

    He now has a family, a mortgage and regardless of what happens on the 26th, he has done a brilliant job in local politics and it can never be taken away from him. Let's be fair, many others have done this too, but Jack Chambers dropped out of college to become a county councillor and wants to step stone in to parliament and you know what - it might just happen because people vote for their betters, apparently. :D


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    #449
    ThisRegard
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    AGC wrote: »
    I love this 'living with his mammy' 'living in a gated community with his parents'

    How many single 24 year olds are out on their own with a mortgage???

    You've brought this up a couple of times, you don't need a mortgage to move out into the big bad world.


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    #450
    chucknorris
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    You've brought this up a couple of times, you don't need a mortgage to move out into the big bad world.

    And Jack Chambers won't need one either. When he wants to move out, a house will be provided for him.

    In that context, on what basis can he or does he represent 70% of Dublin west? On what basis?


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    #451
    AGC
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    chucknorris wrote: »
    David was a teacher (from 21) before being a county councillor. He put himself in 3rd level and COMPLETED it. He had no leg up from no one and so too has many others.

    It's just a reality.

    He now has a family, a mortgage and regardless of what happens on the 26th, he has done a brilliant job in local politics and it can never be taken away from him. Let's be fair, many others have done this too, but Jack Chambers dropped out of college to become a county councillor and wants to step stone in to parliament and you know what - it might just happen because people vote for their betters, apparently. :D

    He has completed a law and politics degree. Do you just not acknowledge that??

    He would not represent a large % of the country being in a position where the family would be extremely comfortable , but he is alongside many of our politicians in this regard. But keep the personal jabs going in.

    @Thisregard, no you don't need a mortgage, I am just going off why posters are not showing support for him and it is what they are saying.


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