Dublin West General Election - SEE MOD NOTE POST 19.

chucknorris

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

The returning officer for Dublin has her down as a candidate, so she is on the ballot paper unless something changed in the meantime.

Just going by what I heard and then after hearing, I searched and its being discussed on twitter.

chucknorris

OK folks, I'll have to bow out for a while as it's getting hectic. Back maybe on the eve of the election.

If you wan to watch VB again, here it is. http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/105180/0/Tonight+with+Vincent+Browne

Adios!

thomasj

Just noticed that there are Joan Burton and paschal donoghue posters up in the same lamposts on the navan road (down near tesco)

Still slightly confused by the boundary changes, who's in the wrong?

Edit: Joan seems to be the only poster for Dublin west in the area the rest seem to be Dublin central?

Grudaire

The boundary goes as far as the Garda station on the left (facing towards town) and Skreen Road on the right.

Paschal Donaghue has been writing to the Navan Road asking for Noone #1.. Leo is very confident.

thomasj

Just thought it was strange see Burton and O'Donoghue on the same lampost

That's down near tesco on the navan road

Toto Wolfcastle

Is it because she's the leader of the Labour Party? Usually the leaders will have posters dotted around the country. Micheál Martin has posters up in Dublin West for that reason.

thomasj

Have a look at the photo i attached its definitely candidate as opposed to party

Pat Dunne

thomasj wrote: »

Just thought it was strange see Burton and O'Donoghue on the same lampost

That's down near tesco on the navan road

In all honesty I really don't quite understand the point you are making. I see three different posters on the same poll. Top, Joan Burton Labour Party candidate for Dublin West, middle a Fine Gael generic poster, and beneath that is Paschal Donohue who is the Fine Gael candidate in Dublin Central. In an area near the deviding line between the two constituencies.

Candidates don't operate "an exclusive poll arrangement", instead it is a total free for all!

Two Dublin West candidates in particular are disregarding most of the rules as to where they can place their posters legitimately. It is a complete and utter mess and to mind, amply shows their regard for their constituents.

Personally I have never witnessed so many posters in any General Election campaign ever. I honestly believe it is time to regulate the amount of posters a candidate can use. What really annoy me most is that most canidates will remove their posters. However not all are as good when it comes to removing their Cable Ties.

athtrasna

The same thing is going on on the Stillorgan dual carriageway at the Radisson hotel. Candidates from Dublin Rathdown and Dun Laoghaire on the same poles. Constituency borders are tiny plus it's a route travelled by commuters from both constituencies. No law says you can only erect posters in your own constituency

thomasj

My point was only that it was strange. I suppose we were used to knowing before that the border was at the halfway house and you would never see a Dublin west candidate poster after the halfway house.

I also just find it strange in that case that only joan has those posters up that far down and not the rest of the candidates as well.

Grudaire

Yeah I think it's bad enough having the actual candidates posters up without adding to the mess with candidates from different constituencies!

We'll trade you Joan's stray poster for the Mary Fitz hoarding and the O'Donaghue leaflets :-p

Pat Dunne

thomasj wrote: »

My point was only that it was strange. I suppose we were used to knowing before that the border was at the halfway house and you would never see a Dublin west candidate poster after the halfway house.

Going back to the to when I voted in my first even General Election in 1981, the entire Navan Rd area was in the constituency of Dublin West. At that time Dublin West extended both sides of the Liffey from Inchicore, Ballyfermot, Clondalkin and Lucan on the Southside and from Phoenix Park, Navan Road, Castleknock, Blanchardstown, Clonsilla, Mulhuddart and Corduff on the Northside.

If I recall correctly it was in 1997 that Dublin West moved north of the Liffey, with some additional tweaks over the years. What has happened is that the areas near Swords, St Margarets and Killsalaghan, have been assigned to the Dublin Fingal constituency and that Ashtown and Navan Road areas rejoined Dublin West.

Basically the eastern border of the constituency is up the middle of Skreen Road, east side in Dublin Central and west side Dublin West. Along the Navan Road, as far as the Garda Station, south side Dub West, north side Dub Central. Turning then at Nephin Road in the direction of Cabra and splitting Nephin Road into the two different constituencies.

genericguy

chucknorris wrote: »

It is anything but speculation. 100k was put on deposit to support his election campaign.

And David would have had the same support as a FF candidate. Sick of your nonsense tbh. David left FF not because of ideological differences, but in a huff because they snubbed the music teacher in favour of a perceivedly more polished candidate. David is the very slightly stronger candidate but it's extremely petty to be carrying on about chambers' family's wealth; I would contend that after numerous failures to be elected that David would be only too happy to use a war chest if it were available to him.

And to be harping on about chambers' age, when David was a vacuous, insipid trombonist of similar age profile when entering the public eye himself. David is a teacher, so he still has little to offer to the actual working man in the way of life experience or wisdom. He does not know what it is to work hard and achieve for oneself. Punching your ticket at 4 o'clock and heading down the local community centre rousing rabble about potholes does not a leader of the country make.

David came from corduff, working class yadda yadda yadda. So did I. We had very little, but I worked my arse off with encouragement from my parents and now enjoy a six figure salary at 30 - I wanted to be well off so I worked for it. And when I have a child and he or she wants to enjoy the fruits of my labour, he or she sure can. David could have this too, but he just reads and sounds like someone who wants it handed to him because he never got the shot.

Whatever about jack chambers family, I don't know them. The mcguinness family are lovely people, Chambers' crew may well be also. But to hear someone like David mcguinness running a young lad into the ground because his father has money quite frankly turns my stomach - it's like listening to the bastard child of FF and the socialists. If David had the money he would enjoy it too, but this cribbing about chambers for no reason other than social privilege has completely cheapened David mcguinness to the point that he might as well not be on the ballot IMO.

thomasj

Pat Dunne wrote:

Two Dublin West candidates in particular are disregarding most of the rules as to where they can place their posters legitimately. It is a complete and utter mess and to mind, amply shows their regard for their constituents.

Yeah I agree there are one or two estates in the blakestown area that have election posters up it's not right.

thomasj

genericguy wrote:

Whatever about jack chambers family, I don't know them. The mcguinness family are lovely people, Chambers' crew may well be also. But to hear someone like David mcguinness running a young lad into the ground because his father has money quite frankly turns my stomach - it's like listening to the bastard child of FF and the socialists. If David had the money he would enjoy it too, but this cribbing about chambers for no reason other than social privilege has completely cheapened David mcguinness to the point that he might as well not be on the ballot IMO.

You know what I'm not liking the attitudes of a lot of candidates and parties in this ge for Dublin west.

Theres a bit of arrogance, disregard and disrespect knocking around (varadkar and burton not showing up at the debate) in some quarters and that shows disrespect to the people of Dublin west .

athtrasna

thomasj wrote: »

You know what I'm not liking the attitudes of a lot of candidates and parties in this ge for Dublin west.

Theres a bit of arrogance, disregard and disrespect knocking around (varadkar and burton not showing up at the debate) in some quarters and that shows disrespect to the people of Dublin west .

Varadkar was on primetime, bilocation is a skill nobody has. And see further back for other reasons. Don't know where Burton was but presume she was somewhere else in the country on her election tour. She's doing so many debates, all with more civilised presenters than VB, I can see why she gave this one a miss.

January

thomasj wrote: »

Yeah I agree there are one or two estates in the blakestown area that have election posters up it's not right.

As far as I am aware, if the estate is taken care of by the council then they are allowed to hang posters there.

thomasj

January wrote:

As far as I am aware, if the estate is taken care of by the council then they are allowed to hang posters there.

Ah okay didn't know that

Toto Wolfcastle

January wrote: »

As far as I am aware, if the estate is taken care of by the council then they are allowed to hang posters there.

I think that's the case, but there seems to be a gentlemen's agreement not to put posters in estates. I've rarely seen it happening.

athtrasna

Toto Wolfcastle wrote: »

I think that's the case, but there seems to be a gentlemen's agreement not to put posters in estates. I've rarely seen it happening.

We have Chambers, O'Brien and Burton. Bizarrely the Anti Prosperity crew who always used to poster here when the estate was private seem to have skipped us this time now that the ring road has been taken in charge.

Pat Dunne

Over the years quite a number of residents groups requested the political parties not to place posters within Estates and certain areas, this is generally honoured.

What I am seeing is election posters on traffic signs, which is contrary to local authority rules on postering. Also posters must be also be placed 2.3 metres above footpaths, some are not even 2.3 centimetres above ground level. You knows who you are!

A few links below the DCC one is written in plain english and easier to follow.
http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-your-council-register-vote/election-postering
http://www.fingalcoco.ie/environment/guidelines_on_general_election_posters/
http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/RSA-Issues-Guidelines-on-Placement-of-Election-Posters/

January

Toto Wolfcastle wrote: »

I think that's the case, but there seems to be a gentlemen's agreement not to put posters in estates. I've rarely seen it happening.

We've a few Paul Donnelly posters at the beginning of the estate and some Ruth Coppinger leading up to the estate but that's it.

BohsCeltic

genericguy wrote: »

And David would have had the same support as a FF candidate. Sick of your nonsense tbh. David left FF not because of ideological differences, but in a huff because they snubbed the music teacher in favour of a perceivedly more polished candidate. David is the very slightly stronger candidate but it's extremely petty to be carrying on about chambers' family's wealth; I would contend that after numerous failures to be elected that David would be only too happy to use a war chest if it were available to him.

And to be harping on about chambers' age, when David was a vacuous, insipid trombonist of similar age profile when entering the public eye himself. David is a teacher, so he still has little to offer to the actual working man in the way of life experience or wisdom. He does not know what it is to work hard and achieve for oneself. Punching your ticket at 4 o'clock and heading down the local community centre rousing rabble about potholes does not a leader of the country make.

David came from corduff, working class yadda yadda yadda. So did I. We had very little, but I worked my arse off with encouragement from my parents and now enjoy a six figure salary at 30 - I wanted to be well off so I worked for it. And when I have a child and he or she wants to enjoy the fruits of my labour, he or she sure can. David could have this too, but he just reads and sounds like someone who wants it handed to him because he never got the shot.

Whatever about jack chambers family, I don't know them. The mcguinness family are lovely people, Chambers' crew may well be also. But to hear someone like David mcguinness running a young lad into the ground because his father has money quite frankly turns my stomach - it's like listening to the bastard child of FF and the socialists. If David had the money he would enjoy it too, but this cribbing about chambers for no reason other than social privilege has completely cheapened David mcguinness to the point that he might as well not be on the ballot IMO.

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genericguy

BohsCeltic wrote: »

Blue Peter badge for you

Thanks for that insight.

Canadel

athtrasna wrote: »

Varadkar was on primetime, bilocation is a skill nobody has. And see further back for other reasons. Don't know where Burton was but presume she was somewhere else in the country on her election tour. She's doing so many debates, all with more civilised presenters than VB, I can see why she gave this one a miss.

Bi location is a skill nobody has alright. Bravery is though. Both Leo and Joan would have known about the people's debate well in advance. Leo can stroll onto Primetime any time he likes for an easy evening with rte's best. Fact is, both he and Joan were scared. Scared of their own constituents, scared of Browne, and even scared of their fellow candidates. They showed a lack of respect to them all. They had a duty to present themselves and perform in that debate before their constituents and the rest of the country. Their attitude is obviously indicative of and supported by many of the views in this thread and their voters however. So no surprise they'll probably be elected regardless. They've certainly gone down in my estimation though. And evidently a lot of other people's.

athtrasna

I respectfully disagree.

rockatansky

genericguy wrote: »

And David would have had the same support as a FF candidate. Sick of your nonsense tbh. David left FF not because of ideological differences, but in a huff because they snubbed the music teacher in favour of a perceivedly more polished candidate. David is the very slightly stronger candidate but it's extremely petty to be carrying on about chambers' family's wealth; I would contend that after numerous failures to be elected that David would be only too happy to use a war chest if it were available to him.

And to be harping on about chambers' age, when David was a vacuous, insipid trombonist of similar age profile when entering the public eye himself. David is a teacher, so he still has little to offer to the actual working man in the way of life experience or wisdom. He does not know what it is to work hard and achieve for oneself. Punching your ticket at 4 o'clock and heading down the local community centre rousing rabble about potholes does not a leader of the country make.

David came from corduff, working class yadda yadda yadda. So did I. We had very little, but I worked my arse off with encouragement from my parents and now enjoy a six figure salary at 30 - I wanted to be well off so I worked for it. And when I have a child and he or she wants to enjoy the fruits of my labour, he or she sure can. David could have this too, but he just reads and sounds like someone who wants it handed to him because he never got the shot.

Whatever about jack chambers family, I don't know them. The mcguinness family are lovely people, Chambers' crew may well be also. But to hear someone like David mcguinness running a young lad into the ground because his father has money quite frankly turns my stomach - it's like listening to the bastard child of FF and the socialists. If David had the money he would enjoy it too, but this cribbing about chambers for no reason other than social privilege has completely cheapened David mcguinness to the point that he might as well not be on the ballot IMO.

This is something that has always bothered me also. From what I have been told David does a lot of good work around the community however had things gone how he had originally wanted them to he would fighting this election on a Fianna Fail ticket.

genericguy

rockatansky wrote: »

This is something that has always bothered me also. From what I have been told David does a lot of good work around the community however had things gone how he had originally wanted them to he would fighting this election on a Fianna Fail ticket.

This is a more succinct version of my rambling point. David is a nice guy and is actually active in the community to an extent I don't see from other candidates. But, activity in the community is the job of a councillor, not that of a TD. A TDs job is on a national scale and he's brought nothing to the table on that to warrant a vote IMO, and the vendetta against chambers is just grating and embarrassing.

Rosser

Canadel wrote: »

Bi location is a skill nobody has alright. Bravery is though. Both Leo and Joan would have known about the people's debate well in advance. Leo can stroll onto Primetime any time he likes for an easy evening with rte's best. Fact is, both he and Joan were scared. Scared of their own constituents, scared of Browne, and even scared of their fellow candidates. They showed a lack of respect to them all. They had a duty to present themselves and perform in that debate before their constituents and the rest of the country. Their attitude is obviously indicative of and supported by many of the views in this thread and their voters however. So no surprise they'll probably be elected regardless. They've certainly gone down in my estimation though. And evidently a lot of other people's.

Your opinion is they were scared but that's not a fact it's your opinion and here's mine.

Leo Varadkar & Joan Burton have been on with Browne many times acquitted themselves very well, so afraid of him just doesn't wash, furthermore they do not have a 'duty' to make themselves available to TV3 or Vincent Brown, that's a choice they have and they choose not to. They have a duty of accountability to the electorate and that's coming next Friday.

If you think taking on the dept. of Health or Social Protection shows a lack of bravery then you set yourself extraordinary standards.

Leo was on RTE as you know and would have been watched by (and made accountable to) far more of his constituents and the rest of the country than that Salem witch trial TV3 were running.

If they get elected regardless it might just suggest that while they've gone down in your estimation it won't be the feeling of the rest of the constituency.

ThisRegard

thomasj wrote: »

You know what I'm not liking the attitudes of a lot of candidates and parties in this ge for Dublin west.

Theres a bit of arrogance, disregard and disrespect knocking around (varadkar and burton not showing up at the debate) in some quarters and that shows disrespect to the people of Dublin west .

This again, it doesn't show disrespect to the people of Dublin West, it's only a nonsense 'debate' on a TV show. There's little debate on those shows.

Are the people of Louth as butt hurt because Adams didn't turn up there?