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Dublin West General Election - SEE MOD NOTE POST 19.

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    #1532
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    He stopped his medical studies to serve the people of West Dublin and Ireland. He obviously did it out of duty to the nation.


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    #1533
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,971 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    eviltwin wrote: »
    So he is a liar, great start to his career as a TD

    Sure we knew that. Pity people didnt vote accordingly, the Deerpark sheep were out in force...


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    #1534
    Kiwi_knock
    Registered Users Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Well a few of Chamber's defenders on Twitter are claiming he is a qualified solicitor and doctor. Dublin West's own Doogie Howser.


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    #1535
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    Well a few of Chamber's defenders on Twitter are claiming he is a qualified solicitor and doctor. Dublin West's own Doogie Howser.

    And boy do they troll! Got into an argument with two of them at the weekend.


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    #1536
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Waterford Whispers has its first pop at Jack

    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/03/01/read-me-the-one-about-the-boy-who-became-taoiseach-asks-jack-chambers-every-night/

    :D


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    #1537
    Rosser
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Rosser


    athtrasna wrote: »
    And boy do they troll! Got into an argument with two of them at the weekend.

    I parked in the Royal College of Surgeons car park when taking my kids to the panto does that qualify me too?

    Oh and law degree does not a solicitor make, he needs to be called to the bar and it seems the closest he got was calling for a white wine spritzer in Myos.


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    #1538
    LoonyLovegood
    Registered Users Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    athtrasna wrote: »
    Waterford Whispers has its first pop at Jack

    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/03/01/read-me-the-one-about-the-boy-who-became-taoiseach-asks-jack-chambers-every-night/

    :D

    The guy who runs WWN lives in Dublin West, his twitter feed is priceless right now.


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    #1539
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    Well a few of Chamber's defenders on Twitter are claiming he is a qualified solicitor and doctor. Dublin West's own Doogie Howser.

    That's an insult to those who work their arses off for seven years.


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    #1540
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    eviltwin wrote: »
    That's an insult to those who work their arses off for seven years.
    It's really not. They are rewarded for their work with jobs and monetary payment.

    He completed a law degree and then either deferred or dropped out of his medical degree to dedicate all of his time and efforts to his political career. There's no conspiracy here or even any controversy. People need to get back to focusing on the important issues like his hair and his family.


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    #1541
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Canadel wrote: »
    It's really not. They are rewarded for their work with jobs and monetary payment.

    He completed a law degree and then either deferred or dropped out of his medical degree to dedicate all of his time and efforts to his political career. There's no conspiracy here or even any controversy. People need to get back to focusing on the important issues like his hair and his family.

    His LinkedIn page deliberately misleads on the medicine thing though, false representation of his qualifications is a very pertinent issue imo. I'm not happy that a TD representing my constituency can't be straight about his background. Doesn't instill confidence


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    #1542
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Canadel wrote: »
    It's really not. They are rewarded for their work with jobs and monetary payment.

    He completed a law degree and then either deferred or dropped out of his medical degree to dedicate all of his time and efforts to his political career. There's no conspiracy here or even any controversy. People need to get back to focusing on the important issues like his hair and his family.

    I disagree. There is no shame in not completing his medicine training. Why not just be honest. If he is prepared to lie about something so basic it makes it difficult to trust him.


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    #1543
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    athtrasna wrote: »
    I'm not happy that a TD representing my constituency can't be straight about his background. Doesn't instill confidence
    I don't believe you.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    I disagree. There is no shame in not completing his medicine training. Why not just be honest. If he is prepared to lie about something so basic it makes it difficult to trust him.
    He's not lying about anything, nor is he lying to anyone.


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    #1544
    ongarite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Canadel wrote: »
    He's not lying about anything, nor is he lying to anyone.

    ?? Explain please.
    By stating on LinkedIn that he has a bachelor's degree in Medicine from RCS he is fact lying. Unless you complete the course and pass all required exams you can't make that claim.


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    #1545
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    ongarite wrote: »
    ?? Explain please.
    By stating on LinkedIn that he has a bachelor's degree in Medicine from RSC he is fact lying. Unless you complete the course and pass all required exams you can't make claim.
    Well, you can make that claim actually.

    But more importantly, he doesn't state that he has a medical degree on his linkedin.


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    #1546
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,299 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Canadel wrote: »
    I don't believe you.

    What's not to believe? It's completely plausible that someone would be unhappy and not have much confidence in one of their public representatives if that representative was being deliberately evasive about their background.
    Canadel wrote: »
    He's not lying about anything, nor is he lying to anyone.

    He may not be directly lying, but he's certainly not in any hurry to clarify things or correct any misconceptions that people may have about his education.


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    #1547
    Icemancometh
    Registered Users Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    Canadel wrote: »
    It's really not. They are rewarded for their work with jobs and monetary payment.

    He completed a law degree and then either deferred or dropped out of his medical degree to dedicate all of his time and efforts to his political career. There's no conspiracy here or even any controversy. People need to get back to focusing on the important issues like his hair and his family.

    I'm insulted by it. He clearly attempted to convey that he was a doctor when he isn't. I worked hard for years to become a doctor, and have worked hard since to provide care to people all over Ireland. I'm not sure if doctors as a group are particularly respected or admired by Irish people, but they are trusted. And Jack Chambers, IMO, attempted to piggy back on the goodwill people like myself have earned. That's insulting.


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    #1548
    Rosser
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Rosser


    He's now embroiled in a Twitter spat via @FiannaFail with Noel Rock and predictably enough he's getting his ar*e handed to him.

    He really is a beaut.


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    #1549
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,971 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    LoonyLovegood wrote: »
    The guy who runs WWN lives in Dublin West, his twitter feed is priceless right now.

    Whats his handle?


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    #1550
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    Icemancometh wrote: »
    I'm insulted by it. He clearly attempted to convey that he was a doctor when he isn't. I worked hard for years to become a doctor, and have worked hard since to provide care to people all over Ireland. I'm not sure if doctors as a group are particularly respected or admired by Irish people, but they are trusted. And Jack Chambers, IMO, attempted to piggy back on the goodwill people like myself have earned. That's insulting.
    That's not clear at all, and I don't think he did attempt to convey that. I trust doctors to do the job they were trained to do; I don't trust them on a personal level any more than I trust someone cleaning the streets tbh. So I don't buy that assertion at all that he attempted to piggy back on any goodwill doctors have earned, mainly because he never stated he was a doctor but rather that he had studied medicine.
    Zaph wrote: »
    What's not to believe? It's completely plausible that someone would be unhappy and not have much confidence in one of their public representatives if that representative was being deliberately evasive about their background.
    He's not being deliberately evasive. I've never heard seen or heard him refer to himself as a doctor or the holder of a medical degree. People are creating their own narrative here.
    He may not be directly lying, but he's certainly not in any hurry to clarify things or correct any misconceptions that people may have about his education.
    Nor should he be in a hurry to. His education is his own business, and the only misconception is by people saying he claims to hold a medical degree.


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    #1551
    RoiSoleil
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭RoiSoleil


    Canadel wrote: »
    But more importantly, he doesn't state that he has a medical degree on his linkedin.

    tQQhTkR.jpg


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    #1552
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    RoiSoleil wrote: »
    tQQhTkR.jpg

    I think the penny has dropped with an awful lot of people and some of the questions on that letter are now very relevant.


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    #1553
    BanterZone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭BanterZone


    RoiSoleil wrote: »
    Chamber's LinkedIn profile

    To be fair to Chambers you are supposed to put all educational institutions you have attended on your profile whether completed or not yet. All that means is that he has attended the Royal College of Surgeons, not that he's necessarily finished the degree, which would be why the law degree has a result beside and the medicine one doesn't.

    I haven't been too impressed with Chambers yet but now that he's been elected I may as well give him some time to prove himself before judging him too much.


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    #1554
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    chucknorris wrote: »
    I think the penny has dropped with an awful lot of people and some of the questions on that letter are now very relevant.

    It's the same people that were commenting on him before the election.


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    #1555
    RoiSoleil
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭RoiSoleil


    chucknorris wrote: »
    I think the penny has dropped with an awful lot of people and some of the questions on that letter are now very relevant.

    If indeed there is any truth in this letter, of course it should be investigated. I only disagree with the manner in which you brought up the issue the night before the election. It was the "I know a secret but I'm not telling" approach that was off putting to me. That such carry on might be going on in FF is/was of no surprise to me whatsoever. This is FF we're talking about after all. What's done is done though now and the election is over. If this gains traction and the contents of the letter turn out to be even partly true, David could be very well placed to mount a serious challenge at the next (possibly very soon) election.


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    #1556
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    RoiSoleil wrote: »
    If indeed there is any truth in this letter, of course it should be investigated. I only disagree with the manner in which you brought up the issue the night before the election. It was the "I know a secret but I'm not telling" approach that was off putting to me. That such carry on might be going on in FF is/was of no surprise to me whatsoever. This is FF we're talking about after all. What's done is done though now and the election is over. If this gains traction and the contents of the letter turn out to be even partly true, David could be very well placed to mount a serious challenge at the next (possibly very soon) election.

    Firstly, I had to be careful about what I said on the day before the election. I wasn't aware as to how far it had spread or to how much detail I could reveal.

    As it happened, it was referenced in the media on the day of the election.

    It was doing the rounds for at least 5 days before the election so I'm genuinely surprised no one here was aware of it.

    I'm not convinced it will have any effect unless the person who put it together is prepared to back it up but more information, or someone goes to check out some of the allegations.

    As I said here yesterday, it only takes one of those points to be true in order for them all to be scrutinised. FF have rubbished the letter already of course but they haven't indicated if everything on the letter is completely untrue.


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    #1557
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    AGC wrote: »
    It's the same people that were commenting on him before the election.

    And the same people defending him...


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    #1558
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Whats his handle?

    You'll see it here https://twitter.com/NoelRock
    BanterZone wrote: »
    To be fair to Chambers you are supposed to put all educational institutions you have attended on your profile whether completed or not yet. All that means is that he has attended the Royal College of Surgeons, not that he's necessarily finished the degree, which would be why the law degree has a result beside and the medicine one doesn't.

    I would imagine you put down all education institutions you attended, and actually completed a course in. Otherwise you're only misleading potential employers and others. If you were to put in every institute you ever attended regardless if you attended to completion, then I'm seriously selling myself short.


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    #1559
    gutenberg
    Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭gutenberg


    On the LinkedIn issue, I would say that the way he has presented his medical degree is potentially misleading. I mean, he doesn't list a result for it in the way that he does for the Law one, but equally no where does it say that it's suspended, etc. I've always been told to be careful when listing degrees, and to be upfront about ones that are not yet complete - saying something like 'in progress', or 'deferred until 2017', or whatever, as many people do just list every institution they've attended, without giving any real information or context - many of my postgraduate friends have somehow miraculously studied at Oxford/Cambridge/Harvard/Yale, when all they really did was attend a week-long postgrad training session or similar...


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    #1560
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    From the screen shot, any reasonable person would read that as him implying he received a Bachelors Degree in Medicine.


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    #1561
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    http://www.headstuff.org/2016/03/jack-chambers-of-horror/

    Now Alison Spittle has a go at him


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