Qatar 2022 Mayhem

LaGlisse

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Have you read the thread?

Yes and the problems people are citing are spurious. It will be a great world cup, people need to get over the fact it wont be like their childhood and theyll have to buy their panini sticker albums in October instead of May, the poor lambs.
Things change.

Liamalone

It seems the Qatar folk have started a stealth media campaign by employing posters on message boards to put a positive spin on this shambles.

Muff_Daddy

endabob1 wrote: »

Are you implying that the South African World Cup was poorly attended?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_records#Total_and_average_attendance


5th best average of 20 world cups and much higher than Japan & Korea which I think would be the most comparable in terms of distance from the main (European & South American) Markets

I definitly remember a lot being made about empty seats for a lot of group games that didn't involve African teams in certain stadiums. Something to do with the rugby strongholds not having the same imterest as other parts of the country.

However, yeah the figures do seem to suggest otherwise.

endabob1

I was there, and while there were empty seats the games were sell outs, a lot of corporates, didn't turn up until the knock stages.

greendom

Would FIFA not get sued by Qatar for all the billions spent on stadiums etc, if the tournament gets switched elsewhere ?

LaGlisse

greendom wrote: »

Would FIFA not get sued by Qatar for all the billions spent on stadiums etc, if the tournament gets switched elsewhere ?

It's not being moved, end of. There's a large amount of people in the west who haven't grasped that reality yet, but they will get there eventually

Fr Tod Umptious

greendom wrote: »

Would FIFA not get sued by Qatar for all the billions spent on stadiums etc, if the tournament gets switched elsewhere ?

Yea they would, but as I said everything is negotiable.

This is going to be a disaster, not because of the winter\summer argument but because there are no enough people in Qatar and there will not be enough visitors to make this a viable event.

Lovely Bloke

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yea they would, but as I said everything is negotiable.

This is going to be a disaster, not because of the winter\summer argument but because there are no enough people in Qatar and there will not be enough visitors to make this a viable event.

PPV

Guy:Incognito

greendom wrote: »

Would FIFA not get sued by Qatar for all the billions spent on stadiums etc, if the tournament gets switched elsewhere ?

They can pay them off with their own bribes.:)

zl1whqvjs75cdy

LaGlisse wrote: »

Yes and the problems people are citing are spurious. It will be a great world cup, people need to get over the fact it wont be like their childhood and theyll have to buy their panini sticker albums in October instead of May, the poor lambs.
Things change.

Blatant corruption, slave labor and a tournament that will interrupt pretty much every major European league as well as the champions league are spurious reasons?

rob316

LaGlisse wrote: »

Yes and the problems people are citing are spurious. It will be a great world cup, people need to get over the fact it wont be like their childhood and theyll have to buy their panini sticker albums in October instead of May, the poor lambs.
Things change.

Maybe a great world cup but it will be at the detriment of the top European leagues. Ya know the leagues in which the top players in the this tournament play week in week out :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Blatant corruption, slave labor and a tournament that will interrupt pretty much every major European league as well as the champions league are spurious reasons?

As well as flying in the face of pretty much all the guidelines FIFA liked to go on about regarding where tournaments should be hosted (spread of cities, legacy etc)

bucketybuck

But look, apart from the corruption, slave labour, the interuption to every top league and the total contradiction of every previous FIFA guideline for host country selection, the only problems are spurious ones.

Guy:Incognito

bucketybuck wrote: »

But look, apart from the corruption, slave labour, the interuption to every top league and the total contradiction of every previous FIFA guideline for host country selection, the only problems are spurious ones.

And don't forget racism. Ours, not theirs.

LaGlisse

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Blatant corruption, slave labor and a tournament that will interrupt pretty much every major European league as well as the champions league are spurious reasons?

Everyone posting on this thread from a tablet or smartphone has benefited from slave labor. Bribes have prob figured in deciding the venue for decades.Get off your high horse.

thelad95

Despite the complete and utter shambles this is, the thought of a Christmas World Cup makes me feel kind of warm and giddy inside. I think the whole time of year thing is being blown out of proportion anyway. Leagues will be able to adjust, they're being given plenty of notice for Christ sake.

Also, I'm generally not one to defend Blatter but it wasn't actually him who chose Qatar and that should be remembered.

A lot of people are bandying about the word 'corruption' as well without any actual evidence that bribes were made, not just on this site but in the media as well.

And as some people have pointed out, it is mainly the English media who are driving this bandwagon. Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Qatar was chosen instead of them?

Look, I agree that Qatar was a completely unfeasible option for the World Cup but it's not going to be moved so why don't people just accept it and move on?

LaGlisse

rob316 wrote: »

Maybe a great world cup but it will be at the detriment of the top European leagues. Ya know the leagues in which the top players in the this tournament play week in week out :rolleyes:

My heart bleeds for them.doesn't affect our national league anyway as it doesn't run in the winter months, should help attendances. FAI should be happy

Loughc

LaGlisse wrote: »

Everyone posting on this thread from a tablet or smartphone has benefited from slave labor. Bribes have prob figured in deciding the venue for decades.Get off your high horse.

Are you justifying slave labour?

LaGlisse

Loughc wrote: »

Are you justifying slave labour?

No I'm just saying it hypocrisy to pick and choose where to make a stand on it. Ditch your smartphone then come back to lecture me about Qatar

bucketybuck

thelad95 wrote: »

A lot of people are bandying about the word 'corruption' as well without any actual evidence that bribes were made, not just on this site but in the media as well.

Gee, I wonder why?

Look, I agree that Qatar was a completely unfeasible option for the World Cup

Oh, now I remember.

eagle eye

LaGlisse wrote: »

No I'm just saying it hypocrisy to pick and choose where to make a stand on it. Ditch your smartphone then come back to lecture me about Qatar

The reason the stand is being made here is that people have seen the past and are more aware nowadays of what goes on. This is the reason for the stand. Most people didn't have a clue about this stuff years ago. When South Africa was chose people wouldn't have had anything close to the amount of knowledge they have nowadays.

Do you have a smartphone or tablet? If so, have you tracked the origin of it? Was there slave labour involved?

thelad95

bucketybuck wrote: »

Gee, I wonder why?

Oh, now I remember.

You could also argue the following were unfeasible:

Brazil: Woeful poverty in most cities, crumbling stadia, incredibly high potential of riots during tournament as happened in the previous years Confed Cup

South Africa: High crime rate in most host cities putting fans at risk, stadiums chosen at ridiculous altitudes.

Japan/South Korea: Woeful stadia, two countries that had been teetering close to war for decades and a massive shortage of infrastructure.

Isn't it interesting that two bidding countries (England and Australia) which pretty much had all the infrastructure in place already were overlooked?

LaGlisse

eagle eye wrote: »

The reason the stand is being made here is that people have seen the past and are more aware nowadays of what goes on. This is the reason for the stand. Most people didn't have a clue about this stuff years ago. When South Africa was chose people wouldn't have had anything close to the amount of knowledge they have nowadays.

Do you have a smartphone or tablet? If so, have you tracked the origin of it? Was there slave labour involved?

Not bothered, it's a great phone. Nothing great gets done without slaves, who do you think built the pyramids? Qatar is going to be a feast of football

Loughc

LaGlisse wrote: »

Not bothered, it's a great phone. Nothing great gets done without slaves, who do you think built the pyramids? Qatar is going to be a feast of football

Again are you not just trying to justify slavery?

Augmerson

LaGlisse wrote: »

Not bothered, it's a great phone. Nothing great gets done without slaves, who do you think built the pyramids? Qatar is going to be a feast of football

I'm not sure the slaves who had their backs broken and suffered horribly building the pyramids would agree.

eagle eye

LaGlisse wrote: »

Not bothered, it's a great phone. Nothing great gets done without slaves, who do you think built the pyramids? Qatar is going to be a feast of football

Unless you have proof you cannot come out and say that slaves built everybody's smartphones.

And this constant almost glorification of slavery is wrong.

If you want to state facts please back them up.

bucketybuck

thelad95 wrote: »

You could also argue the following were unfeasible:

You could argue a lot of countries were unfeasible, not hard to do that.

Whats a lot harder is to plausibly argue a reason why Qatar is a feasible choice!

I can posit good reasons why Brazil or South Africa could host a world cup, the reasons for Qatar are rather less obvious.

Zebra3

thelad95 wrote: »

And as some people have pointed out, it is mainly the English media who are driving this bandwagon. Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Qatar was chosen instead of them?

England were bidding for 2018 WC not 2022 though a lot of people don't seem to understand it.

Also the English FA were more than complicit in trying to bribe Jack Warner. Something their media tends to forget about while focusing on Qatar and FIFA.

rossc007

LaGlisse wrote: »

Everyone posting on this thread from a tablet or smartphone has benefited from slave labor. Bribes have prob figured in deciding the venue for decades.Get off your high horse.

Are you Sepp Blatter in disguise?

Fr Tod Umptious

thelad95 wrote: »

You could also argue the following were unfeasible:

Brazil: Woeful poverty in most cities, crumbling stadia, incredibly high potential of riots during tournament as happened in the previous years Confed Cup

South Africa: High crime rate in most host cities putting fans at risk, stadiums chosen at ridiculous altitudes.

Japan/South Korea: Woeful stadia, two countries that had been teetering close to war for decades and a massive shortage of infrastructure.

Isn't it interesting that two bidding countries (England and Australia) which pretty much had all the infrastructure in place already were overlooked?

Seriously ?

Hyzepher

LaGlisse wrote: »

Not bothered, it's a great phone. Nothing great gets done without slaves, who do you think built the pyramids? Qatar is going to be a feast of football

No slaves build the pyramids - they were built in the off-season by farmers and they were paid

LaGlisse

Hyzepher wrote: »

No slaves build the pyramids - they were built in the off-season by farmers and they were paid

Show me their payslips

Magico Gonzalez

The smart phones example is inappropriate.

Go away and try and work out what indentured slavery actually means, it's not the same as exploiting chinese peasants. Some companies have been found to use unscrupulous employers and have taken steps (arguably not enough) to try and change that. Not the same as indentured slavery, despite the tabloid attempts to make it so.

This isn't about the English FA either, it's cheap rabble rousing to make it about them.

The core issue, always ignored, is the unsuitability of Qatar as a venue for the reasons outlined many times in the thread. Attacking straw men doesnt change that.

I have no issue with Russia on the basis of their foreign policy, two sides to every story. However, I would be concerned that it sends out a poor message to combat racism and homophobia in the game given their recent poor track record in those areas. These things matter in football, or they don't. Up to the FIFA to decide.

LaGlisse

Right I'm going to bow out now as this is going round in circles. Hope to meet some ye in 7 years for pre Christmas drinks in the Irish harp in Doha and we can sup some pints and laugh about how people in 2015 thought it was a bad idea to award the world cup to one of the most powerful countries in the world (Russia) and one of the richest and most progressive countries in the middle east (Qatar) . We'll all have a good laugh

zl1whqvjs75cdy

LaGlisse wrote: »

Right I'm going to bow out now as this is going round in circles. Hope to meet some ye in 7 years for pre Christmas drinks in the Irish harp in Doha and we can sup some pints and laugh about how people in 2015 thought it was a bad idea to award the world cup to one of the most powerful countries in the world (Russia) and one of the richest and most progressive countries in the middle east (Qatar) . We'll all have a good laugh

Having a good laugh at this already thanks. I'll skip the pint.

titan18

Good luck to any of the top African players. Will have a full season, a WC and African Nations Cup, and can imagine the club's fury if they start getting taken away at the end of the season when the league is coming to a close, CL final etc. If FIFA want to have the WC in November and December and then an African Nations Cup in June, leagues and clubs should revolt.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

thelad95 wrote: »

Japan/South Korea: Woeful stadia, two countries that had been teetering close to war for decades and a massive shortage of infrastructure.
?

I was only in two of the stadiums so can't comment on that (Although Daegu and Seoul stadiums seemed ok to me). However, Japan and Korea haven't come anywhere close to war with one another since 1945. Although the Koreans hate the Japanese, they don't want to fight with them. Also, shortage of infrastructure? You've having a laugh, Japan and Korea have fantastic infrastructure, much better than any other nations I have been in.

Guy:Incognito

thelad95 wrote: »

Also, I'm generally not one to defend Blatter but it wasn't actually him who chose Qatar and that should be remembered.

The main mentions of blatter have come from leglisse who has proclaimed the man a visionary genius for bringing it to Qatar.

Seems it works both ways as he also gives him credit for the ones he wasn't top man for.

LaGlisse

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The main mentions of blatter have come from leglisse who has proclaimed the man a visionary genius for bringing it to Qatar.

Seems it works both ways as he also gives him credit for the ones he wasn't too man for.

Actually I've changed my mind I now accept that the Qataris are scum and a it Australia should have got it, slavery is bad.Blatter is a ballsack
the British are still laughably deluded scum with a paedophile infested establishment in power though.

FatherTed

What if the leagues like EPL/La Liga/Bundesliga/Serie A/Ligue 1/etc tell FIFA, no thanks, F-U with your winter world cup? They could say that it's not worth the disruption and probable financial loss.

Dempsey

FatherTed wrote: »

What if the leagues like EPL/La Liga/Bundesliga/Serie A/Ligue 1/etc tell FIFA, no thanks, F-U with your winter world cup? They could say that it's not worth the disruption and probable financial loss.

They can't, simple as

COYVB

Dempsey wrote: »

They can't, simple as

They could, but there'd be a serious amount of fallout, and unless UEFA sanctioned it, they'd lose their european places, as well as their world cup and euro championships places. and their players would probably be banned from international football.

but they technically could do it

Dempsey

COYVB wrote: »

They could, but there'd be a serious amount of fallout, and unless UEFA sanctioned it, they'd lose their european places, as well as their world cup and euro championships places. and their players would probably be banned from international football.

but they technically could do it

Technically? How could uefa sanction it?

In reality it's not going to happen. The legal dogfight would cost multiples more

syngindub

COYVB wrote: »

They could, but there'd be a serious amount of fallout, and unless UEFA sanctioned it, they'd lose their european places, as well as their world cup and euro championships places. and their players would probably be banned from international football.

but they technically could do it

UEFA report to FIFA, it cannot happen

COYVB

Dempsey wrote: »

How could uefa sanction it?

By splitting from FIFA

Dempsey

COYVB wrote: »

By splitting from FIFA

Splitting can't happen.

syngindub

Lets say for arguments sake that UEFA told FIFA to take a run and jump and had the backing of European Countries.


Are the players outside europe not allowed to represent their country for qualifying or tournament play?

Are Clubs authorized to overrule a player being called up by their country?

Where does that leave the tournament?
almost 45% of the players in the last world cup played their football in Europe !!

Basically no competitive Internationals for 2 years

COYVB

Dempsey wrote: »

Splitting can't happen.

Why not?

Dempsey

Clubs are not authorised to overrule fifa on player release

They can go through a process of why he shouldn't be released that satisfies fifa criteria

Dempsey

COYVB wrote: »

Why not?

FIFA are the parent company