Matic red-card

Nerdlingr

GavRedKing wrote: »

He should of if Vertonghen and more importnatly Barnes got away with it.

If that the case Grumpymunster is right, maybe we should let it be just a free for all with no rules.

The ref was correct in sending him off . You cannot react violently.
If you want to bring up every other incident that happens in other games you're just gonna end up down the rabbit hole.

Mickeroo

GavRedKing wrote: »

He should of if Vertonghen and more importnatly Barnes got away with it.

That's not really true Gav, is a handball not a handball because a few people have gotten away with them? They all should have been punished in fairness. Letting someone off the hook if they're guilty just because someone else got away with it isn't really justifiable imo.

I have no problem with them reducing the ban fwiw, Matic was angry sure and deserved punishment for what he did, but at the end of the day he didn't do anything dangerous really, 3 game bans should only be reserved for the nasty stuff.

GavRedKing

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's not really true Gav, is a handball not a handball because a few people have gotten away with them? They all should have been punished in fairness. Letting someone off the hook if they're guilty just because someone else got away with it isn't really justifiable imo.

I have no problem with them reducing the ban fwiw, Matic was angry sure and deserved punishment for what he did, but at the end of the day he didn't do anything dangerous really, 3 game bans should only be reserved for the nasty stuff.

Oh of course not, but the consistency from refs in game is terrible and worse from the FA when they have evidence to look back on.

It wont be the last time this year an incident that was punished previously will get a blind eye turned towards it, may not involve Chelsea it may well but it will happen and we'll be back bitching and moaning about consistency.

The standards of the officials can be poles apart and their decision making in relation to other refs view on it can be varying also, even if you factor in human error, some of the calls have been baffling.

The only upshot to all this is Matic isnt out for 9 odd months.

NukaCola

Had the ref deemed that Barnes challenge was a red card and Matic still got up and pushed him etc would he have sent both players off?

I doubt it. Matic may have gotten a yellow?

grumpymunster

Nerdlingr wrote: »

So you think he should got off scott free so. Nice. Stick to the rugby then.

And I said that where exactly?

Nerdlingr

grumpymunster wrote: »

And I said that where exactly?

I just thought I'd return the favour of being misquoted.

grumpymunster

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's not really true Gav, is a handball not a handball because a few people have gotten away with them? They all should have been punished in fairness. Letting someone off the hook if they're guilty just because someone else got away with it isn't really justifiable imo.

I have no problem with them reducing the ban fwiw, Matic was angry sure and deserved punishment for what he did, but at the end of the day he didn't do anything dangerous really, 3 game bans should only be reserved for the nasty stuff.

It really is just down to consistency in the end really, should Vertongen have gotten a red for pushing a West Ham player on Sunday. For me would have been harsh but if there is to be consistency then he should have got the same as Matic as it was the same "crime".

Again there was an undignified haste (led mainly by Sky) to get Costa banned from what was really at worst a clumsy challenge on Can. The FA rolled in behind Sky with really indecent haste and whoosh he was gone from the biggest game of the season to date. If the FA were consistent then Barnes should be gone too.

grumpymunster

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I just thought I'd return the favour of being misquoted.

Assume you referring to me misquoting you don't think so.

Nerdlingr

grumpymunster wrote: »

Assume you referring to me misquoting you don't think so.

Usually when I quote the poster I'm referring to them alright.

Doesnt matter anyway. Matic got rightly punished. Just like Costa got rightly punished. Refs arent gonna get all the calls right. Theyre only human after all.

grumpymunster

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Usually when I quote the poster I'm referring to them alright.

Doesnt matter anyway. Matic got rightly punished. Just like Costa got rightly punished. Refs arent gonna get all the calls right. Theyre only human after all.

Refs will make mistakes of course they will same as a striker will miss a sitter or a goalie will mishandle. What really has Chelsea and their supporters up in arms is not that refs make mistakes it is that the FA have shown no desire to show any form of consistency at all. A rule for one should be a rule for all.

So was Costa treated the same as Barnes or Van Persie or Mangala quite clearly no he was not. Was Matic treated the same as Vertongen against West Ham on Sunday or Routledge earlier this season again quite clearly no he was not. If pushing a player is deemed to be worthy of a ban fine then apply the rule fairly. And if this is missed by the ref or treated not severely enough then a citing system should be in operation.

Nerdlingr

grumpymunster wrote: »

Refs will make mistakes of course they will same as a striker will miss a sitter or a goalie will mishandle. What really has Chelsea and their supporters up in arms is not that refs make mistakes it is that the FA have shown no desire to show any form of consistency at all. A rule for one should be a rule for all.

So was Costa treated the same as Barnes or Van Persie or Mangala quite clearly no he was not. Was Matic treated the same as Vertongen against West Ham on Sunday or Routledge earlier this season again quite clearly no he was not. If pushing a player is deemed to be worthy of a ban fine then apply the rule fairly. And if this is missed by the ref or treated not severely enough then a citing system should be in operation.

This is in operation already. That is how Ivanovic got off for his stranglehold on McCarthy recently.

grumpymunster

Now I know you are taking the micky fair enough

Bertser

Stranglehold on McCarthy's chest. I see.

Nerdlingr

grumpymunster wrote: »

Now I know you are taking the micky fair enough

Let me paint you a picture... lets just say this is taken from the FA's website regarding the Ivanovic incident...

In Premier League matches, if an incident has not been seen by the match officials, a three-man panel of former elite referees will be asked by The FA to review it and advise what, if any, action they believe the match referee should have taken had it been witnessed at the time.
For an FA charge to follow, all three panel members must agree it is a sending-off offence.
In this instance, the panel did not believe the conduct was worthy of a dismissal.

When people like you dont know what theyre talking about, then you can only despair for the game! :D

grumpymunster

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Let me paint you a picture... lets just say this is taken from the FA's website regarding the Ivanovic incident...

In Premier League matches, if an incident has not been seen by the match officials, a three-man panel of former elite referees will be asked by The FA to review it and advise what, if any, action they believe the match referee should have taken had it been witnessed at the time.
For an FA charge to follow, all three panel members must agree it is a sending-off offence.
In this instance, the panel did not believe the conduct was worthy of a dismissal.

When people like you dont know what theyre talking about, then you can only despair for the game! :D

This must be you

Or else you are a member of the FA

Nerdlingr

Should have got an Oscar!
So you do see now that there is a panel that reviews cases yes ?

COYVB

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Obviously villa have had cutbacks but their wage bill would be massive compared to burnleys.

Villa pay very few players more than 15-20k. Some are still on big contracts from days gone by, but most are on championship money. Plenty of Lambert's signings aren't even on 5 figures weekly apparently

*edit*

in 2009 Burnley imposed a salary cap of 15k per week. That was 6 years and 2 TV deals ago now, so I doubt it's still in place at that level. That 15k a week is more than Villa play a good deal of their first team squad

SantryRed

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Barnes meant to leave a mark on Matic.

Whatever about people saying his right foot is natural to a pass (which is true), leaving the group with his left foot and putting the pressure down on the passing foot definitely isn't.

niallo27

grumpymunster wrote: »

Refs will make mistakes of course they will same as a striker will miss a sitter or a goalie will mishandle. What really has Chelsea and their supporters up in arms is not that refs make mistakes it is that the FA have shown no desire to show any form of consistency at all. A rule for one should be a rule for all.

So was Costa treated the same as Barnes or Van Persie or Mangala quite clearly no he was not. Was Matic treated the same as Vertongen against West Ham on Sunday or Routledge earlier this season again quite clearly no he was not. If pushing a player is deemed to be worthy of a ban fine then apply the rule fairly. And if this is missed by the ref or treated not severely enough then a citing system should be in operation.

Well you could say the FA have shown no consistency in reducing his suspension. Chelsea have got a favourable desicion that I can't remember any other team getting.

niallo27

SantryRed wrote: »

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Barnes meant to leave a mark on Matic.

Whatever about people saying his right foot is natural to a pass (which is true), leaving the group with his left foot and putting the pressure down on the passing foot definitely isn't.

Has he history though. I find it hard to believe any footballer would want to seriously hurt another footballer when there is no history between them.

grumpymunster

niallo27 wrote: »

Well you could say the FA have shown no consistency in reducing his suspension. Chelsea have got a favourable desicion that I can't remember any other team getting.

Except maybe Swansea earlier this season ..... no your right that card for exactly the same offence was rescinded totally.