Trocaire Boxes

thehouses

foggy_lad wrote: »

Of all "aid" to foreign countries only about 1-2% comes from charities, most is world bank loans etc

also for every euro paid to these multinational business that masquerade as charitable institutions only about 10% actually goes on the people it is collected for, about 10cent of every euro actually reaches Africa/Asia/South America and gets spent on the poor. The rest goes on the company and paying for staff and administration.

Do you have a source on how much the world bank gives? Would be curious to see it is all.

You have the 10% thing wrong - modern charities normally spend around 10% on administration costs with the rest going to those who need it.

AudreyHepburn

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Whos worked up?
Theres a little concern and bemusement that a charity who claim to help victims of overpopulation attributed famine, poverty and HIV have affiliation to a religion which stands against contraception, family planning and HIV resisting condoms.

Should all the good things and good people associated with that religion be forgotten or tarnished just because of a minority of evil individuals and backward beliefs, which most people don't actually believe anymore anyway?

CJ Haughey wrote: »

Filling them with money is only lining the pockets of the parish priest and the ceos etc.

Ah good old generalization alive and well it seems.

I honestly think if Trocaire had a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist ethos none of these issues would ever come up.

People are just so blinded by irrational hysterical hatred of Catholicism/Christianity in this country that they refuse to see the good in it.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'm giving them same as last year, nothing but instead making a charitable contribution to Crumlin hospital for sick children in our own country.

Grandeeod

We could never manage to assemble the box in our house, so it was never an issue.

TheChizler

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I honestly think if Trocaire had a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist ethos none of these issues would ever come up.

Probably, but only because they would as a result be a tiny charity that nobody's heard of.

arayess

worded wrote: »

Bishop Casey and Trocaire

Give a little, it would help me mot

Anyone remember that one?

CJ Haughey wrote: »

6 figures anyway, another joke.

what should a CEO earn? Humour me and tell me .
cos it sounds like you are just ranting for the sake of it with no info for back up.

The days of charities being run part time by holier-than-thou folk for a few buscuits is long gone. they need to be professionally run.
125k is a good salary but given the size of the organisation it's not excessive when compared to other CEOs. You think they'd want to hire a decent guy to run the show - that would seem normal to me.

If you want it for free you go back to the days of some auld lad running the show as a part-time post retirement gig.The days of charities being run part time by holier-than-thou folk for a few buscuits is long gone. they need to be professionally run.


anyway did the annual report not state :

91 cent out of every €1.00 donated by our supporters is spent on the organisation's direct charitable expenditure

admitedly english isn't my first language but 91% hit rate is fairly decent in any organisation.

Maddison Angry Bacteria

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Yeah I'll believe some load of nonsense from a person pushing their atheist agenda against all the obvious good that we saw being done over the decades :rolleyes:

I wouldn't even waste my time reading it.

Are you not pushing your catholic agenda?

cruais

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you not pushing your catholic agenda?

touché

diddley

diddley wrote: »

Shame about their CEO's salary though!

worded wrote: »

Did I read correct there earlier, how much is the person getting? Laughable

thehouses wrote: »

+1 on the CEO salary.

Also I hope you don't mean that charity has to end at home.

I always laugh when I see people going mad when they see that the CEO of a charity is on a large salary. Of course they are on a large salary, they are employed by the charity to run the charity as a business. If you want a proper CEO you have to pay them appropriately. The CEO is not a volunteer or even someone who is a charitable person necessarily, they are employed to do a job.

Pay peanuts and you get a monkey and the charity will fail just like a business will and then nobody will be helped at all by them when their doors are closed.

The Backwards Man

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

I always laugh when I see people going mad when they see that the CEO of a charity is on a large salary. Of course they are on a large salary, they are employed by the charity to run the charity as a business. If you want a proper CEO you have to pay them appropriately. The CEO is not a volunteer or even someone who is a charitable person necessarily, they are employed to do a job.

Pay peanuts and you get a monkey and the charity will fail just like a business will and then nobody will be helped at all by them when their doors are closed.

You say that like it's a bad thing. I've never given a penny to any business with a CEO masquerading as a charity and I never will. Conversely, I'd have no problem supporting a business doing charitable work, at least they are upfront and honest in their intentions.

thehouses

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

I always laugh when I see people going mad when they see that the CEO of a charity is on a large salary. Of course they are on a large salary, they are employed by the charity to run the charity as a business. If you want a proper CEO you have to pay them appropriately. The CEO is not a volunteer or even someone who is a charitable person necessarily, they are employed to do a job.

Pay peanuts and you get a monkey and the charity will fail just like a business will and then nobody will be helped at all by them when their doors are closed.

I always laugh when I see people insisting that these CEOs deserve their salary. The bankers on obscene money and they were useless. Also, I would not pay them peanuts but rather a fair wage.

CarpeDiem85

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that the money you give to Crumlin goes directly to help sick children is being led on too. My cousin is going out with a consultant who works in Crumlin sometimes. I was sickened to find out what he gets paid to perform an operation in Crumlin and he raises plenty of money for them for charity. He is basically paying his own wage as all he does is charge less to perform operations and call it charity. I was raging when I heard this.

Person in getting paid the going rate for their job shocker :eek:

Do you really expect people to work for less than they can, would you do it? Especially after the long hard road to a very high pressure job like being a consultant.

thehouses wrote: »

I always laugh when I see people insisting that these CEOs deserve their salary. The bankers on obscene money and they were useless. Also, I would not pay them peanuts but rather a fair wage.

125k is a low wage really for a CEO of an organisation the size of many charitys.

CarpeDiem85

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Person in getting paid the going rate for their job shocker :eek:

Do you really expect people to work for less than they can, would you do it? Especially after the long hard road to a very high pressure job like being a consultant.



125k is a low wage really for a CEO of an organisation the size of many charitys.

I'm not undermining how long he spent training and working to get to where he is. What I have a problem with is, don't do work under the premise of charity work, when it's not really. You're still doing consultancy work but only slightly lower than the going rate of a normal operation.

Ghost Buster

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Should all the good things and good people associated with that religion be forgotten or tarnished just because of a minority of evil individuals and backward beliefs, which most people don't actually believe anymore anyway?

You never tire of this tactic, the old 'Don't tar them all with the one brush' line when no one is doing anything of the kind. Im not talking about individuals. I am talking very specifically about the one true church, the RCC who very very specifically and obsessively promote their ethos that contraception and birth control are evil. Regardless of what ever kind acts individuals may perform in poorer countries, if they are part of an ethos which has beliefs which compound the problems facing these countries they should not be supported. Medicines sans frontier and The Red Cross are better suited for charitable donations.
But on a slight side track how many of you good folk who don't believe these core beliefs of Catholicism yet still claim to be Catholic.... but that's always a car crash debate!



I honestly think if Trocaire had a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist ethos none of these issues would ever come up.

People are just so blinded by irrational hysterical hatred of Catholicism/Christianity in this country that they refuse to see the good in it.

Islam, Judaism and Buddism don't have a history here so that's a dumb argument.
I can counter this with 'People are so blinded by their childhood indoctrination into Catholicism that they cant see the damage they have done and continue to do'.

thehouses

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

125k is a low wage really for a CEO of an organisation the size of many charitys.

€50,000 off that wage would save a huge amount of people and still leave you with a person that is more than capable of doing the job. A large pay-packet does not mean you have the right person for the job.

Gits_bone

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'll save everyone the read of Mr. Ingonito's report.

It says the CEO is on €225k a year plus undefined top ups, last year all the donations were ate up in administration charges which is why we have to do better this year.

Is this why everyone did the ice bucket challenge and donated to MND because the CEO was working for free and not getting a large sum?

thehouses

Gits_bone wrote: »

Is this why everyone did the ice bucket challenge and donated to MND because the CEO was working for free and not getting a large sum?

That was part of my motivation - I researched what the CEO was earning before accepting the challenge. I accept I am probably in the minority in that regard.

Gits_bone

thehouses wrote: »

That was part of my motivation - I researched what the CEO was earning before accepting the challenge. I accept I am probably in the minority in that regard.

https://www.alzheimer.ie/Alzheimer/media/SiteMedia/ImageSlider/Fixed/Daily-Mail-Piece_1.pdf

They wouldn't reveal their salary.

Ghost Buster

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Person in getting paid the going rate for their job shocker :eek:

Do you really expect people to work for less than they can, would you do it? Especially after the long hard road to a very high pressure job like being a consultant.



125k is a low wage really for a CEO of an organisation the size of many charitys.

A good catholic would do it for less. Jesus would do it for free.:)

thehouses

Gits_bone wrote: »

https://www.alzheimer.ie/Alzheimer/media/SiteMedia/ImageSlider/Fixed/Daily-Mail-Piece_1.pdf

They wouldn't reveal their salary.

I was led to believe it was for the Irish Motor Neurone Disease Association.

See:
http://imnda.ie/statement-on-salaries-and-payments/

"our CEO was paid €65,000."

CarpeDiem85

Ghost Buster wrote: »

A good catholic would do it for less. Jesus would do it for free.:)

You're bloody well right there. I have an uncle who has been out in South Africia for most of his adult life doing missionary work. He gets a small wage and pension that will gives him a comfortable life in that country but the work he does is incredibly draining and it he never has down time. He has helped so many people. He is a saint but I better not use that work around here!!

Pumpkinseeds

I may be wrong on this, it was decades ago, but I have a vague memory of a primary school teacher reading out a list of amounts of money in each pupils Trocaire box and praising whichever kid had the most money in it. Seems fcuking obscene now. I wonder if they still do that.

The Backwards Man

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I may be wrong on this, it was decades ago, but I have a vague memory of a primary school teacher reading out a list of amounts of money in each pupils Trocaire box and praising whichever kid had the most money in it. Seems fcuking obscene now. I wonder if they still do that.

They used to do that at the offertory every Sunday too. And it was often the poor buggers that could afford it least were giving most.

hynesie08

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I may be wrong on this, it was decades ago, but I have a vague memory of a primary school teacher reading out a list of amounts of money in each pupils Trocaire box and praising whichever kid had the most money in it. Seems fcuking obscene now. I wonder if they still do that.

No, my primary school did that circa 1990, there were prizes if you raised the most and extra homework if you raised the least.

the_monkey

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

What, charity and giving? What a disgrace.

Yeah it is a disgrace when maybe .001% of that money actually reaches charitable causes and not some fat cat CEO to stuff his fat greedy face.

the_monkey

hynesie08 wrote: »

No, my primary school did that circa 1990, there were prizes if you raised the most and extra homework if you raised the least.

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thehouses

thehouses wrote: »

€50,000 off that wage would save a huge amount of people and still leave you with a person that is more than capable of doing the job. A large pay-packet does not mean you have the right person for the job.

Why would someone do the job of CEO for only 75k? People a few years into their career in many industries are on that sort of money so don't see why someone with the skills and experience to have got to the stage of being considered for CEO position would work for it. It would most likely be a massive pay cut for the person.

Of course this has nothing to do with a charity or anything its just people begrudging someone on more money than they are.

lazygal

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Why would someone do the job of CEO for only 75k? People a few years into their career in many industries are on that sort of money so don't see why someone with the skills and experience to have got to the stage of being considered for CEO position would work for it. It would most likely be a massive pay cut for the person.

It would be easier all around if God would sort out the problems of the world himself.

bjork

Enabling the sickest regimes of the world while feeling good about yourself!

What's next, volunteering in an orphanage in Cambodia to boost the trade in children?

lazygal

bjork wrote: »

Enabling the sickest regimes of the world while feeling good about yourself!

What's next, volunteering in an orphanage in Cambodia to boost the trade in children?

Sure we had children for sale in Ireland recently enough.

shruikan2553

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Why would someone do the job of CEO for only 75k? People a few years into their career in many industries are on that sort of money so don't see why someone with the skills and experience to have got to the stage of being considered for CEO position would work for it. It would most likely be a massive pay cut for the person.

Of course this has nothing to do with a charity or anything its just people begrudging someone on more money than they are.

It's not like he is running a charity or anything, I would of thought a person would be happy to work to help others but according to you people will only help a charity for the monetary rewards.
If he wants to earn money then their are plenty of non charity companies. I suppose their holiday home is more important than those poor children.
Its got nothing to do with earning more than me, I feel the same about chuggers who probably earn very little.

Fred Swanson

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thehouses

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

Why would someone do the job of CEO for only 75k? People a few years into their career in many industries are on that sort of money so don't see why someone with the skills and experience to have got to the stage of being considered for CEO position would work for it. It would most likely be a massive pay cut for the person.

Of course this has nothing to do with a charity or anything its just people begrudging someone on more money than they are.

The IMNDA CEO is on less than €75,000 and seems to be doing a good job. There is no begrudging at all, it is about making sure as much people are helped as possible and CEOs siphon off money that could be used in much better ways. They are charities after all and have many volunteers working for them. If money is their motivation to work, then the charity would be better off without them.

thehouses

thehouses wrote: »

The IMNDA CEO is on less than €75,000 and seems to be doing a good job. There is no begrudging at all, it is about making sure as much people are helped as possible and CEOs siphon off money that could be used in much better ways. They are charities after all and have many volunteers working for them. If money is their motivation to work, then the charity would be better off without them.

So if you saw a job advertised but the employer wasn't given (as happens often) and you applied to said job which was paying a good salary.

Then you are told its for a charity and you do the interview and get the position are you saying you would ask to be paid less, not take the job etc?

thehouses

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

So if you saw a job advertised but the employer wasn't given (as happens often) and you applied to said job which was paying a good salary.

Then you are told its for a charity and you do the interview and get the position are you saying you would ask to be paid less, not take the job etc?

Yes I would no problem.

Ghost Buster

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

So if you saw a job advertised but the employer wasn't given (as happens often) and you applied to said job which was paying a good salary.

Then you are told its for a charity and you do the interview and get the position are you saying you would ask to be paid less, not take the job etc?

If the were actually being a good Christian then YES!

I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking a smaller salary or not taking the job. People are quite foolish is appears when it comes to looking after themselves and their family first.

hynesie08

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking a smaller salary or not taking the job. People are quite foolish is appears when it comes to looking after themselves and their family first.

Not very Christian of you.

shruikan2553

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking a smaller salary or not taking the job. People are quite foolish is appears when it comes to looking after themselves and their family first.

Thankfully many people have an attitude towards others more like what Christians are supposed to have.

Gits_bone

thehouses wrote: »

I was led to believe it was for the Irish Motor Neurone Disease Association.

See:
http://imnda.ie/statement-on-salaries-and-payments/

"our CEO was paid €65,000."

Which is among the most well paid in Ireland.

Ghost Buster

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking a smaller salary or not taking the job. People are quite foolish is appears when it comes to looking after themselves and their family first.

People in similarly high pressure jobs seem to manage a perfectly good standard of living on significantly less.......

thehouses

Gits_bone wrote: »

Which is among the most well paid in Ireland.

How so? From what I have looked at most CEOs earn between €100,000 - €150,000. But I could be wrong of course or am misreading your point.

Gits_bone

Ghost Buster wrote: »

People in similarly high pressure jobs seem to manage a perfectly good standard of living on significantly less.......

Not CEO level though.

Yuri Checkov

What I can't understand is that the Irish government is already firing public money at the Africans so why should I be asked to give more?

It is a fine little racket the churches have going, it would make the Mafia jealous.

Ghost Buster

Ghost Buster wrote: »

People in similarly high pressure jobs seem to manage a perfectly good standard of living on significantly less.......

So? My aim would be to earn as much as I possibly can not manage on less.

There are loads of people in the country earning 70k+ who are in nowhere near a CEO level position so I cant see why people who work up to that level wouldn't expect to be paid well.

Id be quite disappointed if I was a CEO and only earning 125k, especially as that figure will be destroyed after tax.

Ghost Buster

Gits_bone wrote: »

Not CEO level though.

The point I was replying to was that people would be putting their familys livelihood in danger by working for less. That's nonsense.

Ghost Buster

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

So? My aim would be to earn as much as I possibly can not manage on less.

There are loads of people in the country earning 70k+ who are in nowhere near a CEO level position.

And are these charitable Christians doing The Lords work?

Ghost Buster

Ghost Buster wrote: »

And are these charitable Christians doing The Lords work?

What are you talking about?

Ghost Buster

Maddison Angry Bacteria wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Trocaire.... Christian charity....Catholic Charity...... Kinda related to the thread title..
Try to keep up;)

Ghost Buster

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Trocaire.... Christian charity....Catholic Charity......
Try to keep up;)

I think this has moved into talk about charitys in general but in any case no I'm referring to people who don't work for charitys but at the same time a well run charity is run like a business and to get the best people to run it you need to pay at similar levels to similar roles in industry.