Patricia Arquette - Oscars

Wompa1

Candie wrote: »

No, since he's not a big draw for the demographic that goes to the cinema most in comparison with more contemporary stars.

Contemporary? He starred in two of the greatest movies ever made. He brings instant credibility to a movie...

well, he did before he started doing any and every movie role that's going but still, he's considered royalty thanks to Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Godfather 2, The Deer Hunter, Goodfellas, Midtnight Run, Cape Fear, Casino.

If you're talking about 'contemporary', look at the ****e he's done in recent years to fit in to todays garbage

He's got one of the most impressive CVs of any actor...ever..

Wompa1

Xeyn wrote: »

What are you arguing abouT? Lawrence got paid less and people argue that stars get paid more because they are 'bigger stars' yet she was the most recent leading woman Oscar winner and star in the huge hit movie series hunger games and got paid less than jeremy renner. Now you're argument is that Di Niro should have been paid more?

But what about those that are arguing that it's up to them to negotiate for the pay that they want.....

nokia69

Xeyn wrote: »

What are you arguing abouT? Lawrence got paid less and people argue that stars get paid more because they are 'bigger stars' yet she was the most recent leading woman Oscar winner and star in the huge hit movie series hunger games and got paid less than jeremy renner. Now you're argument is that Di Niro should have been paid more?

I think she signed on for american hustle before she won her Oscar

and De Niro was only in one scene so I'm not claiming he should have got his usual fee

Xeyn

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

How long before the film was actually released did the contract negotiations start?
She is a big draw now after the Oscar win and the hunger games but that might have been very different when they were casting and agreeing terms for American Hustle.

Who knows what happens in the background, its very possible, like a previous poster said, at the time she had a crap agent. I can guarantee any film she does now she is the highest paid.

Hunger games was already a huge hit and silver linings came out in 2012 and generated immediate Oscar buzz, they were well aware of her pull at that point. The argument is for equal pay not 'equal pay within the current workings of th industry'

gubbie

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm a little worried that a push for equality will kill the ability to negotiate for my own terms and pay.

Like somebody said a few posts again. She should fire her agent if she's not happy. You can bet your @ss somebody like Meryl Streep is not taking a bum deal. The ladies on the TV show Friends got paid out the @ss because the entire cast negotiated together but that was their perogative. I'd argue, if they negotiated separetly, Jennifer Anniston would have got the best deal, she had the highest profile.

Actually it was David that was paid the highest during season 2 (he had a theatre background, his 2 parents were lawyers and he was an integral part of the Ross & Rachel story) following by Jennifer. They then came up with the idea that if they negotiated together as a group, then they'd receive a better package

floggg

new_balls wrote: »

accept that would be against the law both here and in the usa , those who claim that women are paid less than men ( or that nigerian immigrants are paid less than the average irish person ) due to institutional bias are very selective with facts and figures

women tend to work less hours per week than men , beit because of commitments in the home or whatever , women also tend to leave the workforce earlier in order to raise families , wage rates as usually based on seniority in a possition , therefore someone with twenty years experience will earn more than someone with five

to say women are paid less purely by virtue of their gender is a lie however , if patricia arquette was able to deliver the kind of box office that tom cruise or robert downey jnr does , she would be paid just as much as those average actors

The film industry is a terrible example to choose if you want to argue that differences in pay are solely due to merit or output.

The film industry is notoriously racist and sexist - most of the most prominent roles in films are given to white men.

Now, that's not necessarily due (solely) to any racism or sexism on the part of writers, directors or producers - it's a a reflection of societal issues and attitudes, and the roles we think men and women play in society. But the result is that most major films are anchored by men, and any women who feature are there as a love interest or other supporting roles.

Actresses are never given the Robert Downey Jr. roles, nor are they given Robert Downey Jr. money (though I think he negotiated an unusually good deal for himself and makes more than any of the other avengers). The likes of Jennifer Lawrence have just as much as talent as Bradley Cooper but Bradley Cooper will earn more in his career.

Ri_Nollaig

Xeyn wrote: »

Hunger games was already a huge hit and silver linings came out in 2012 and generated immediate Oscar buzz, they were well aware of her pull at that point. The argument is for equal pay not 'equal pay within the current workings of th industry'

That sounds about right though, Sliver Linings playbook came out in 2012 as did the first Hunger Games. American Hustle was only released in 2013. I have no idea how long the pre-production/casting/contract negotiations can take but could easily have been a year or two earlier when she was still a bit of an unknown while all the others were more established.

I am sure she has no problem demanding any figure she wants for a film now!

Wompa1

gubbie wrote: »

Actually it was David that was paid the highest during season 2 (he had a theatre background, his 2 parents were lawyers and he was an integral part of the Ross & Rachel story) following by Jennifer. They then came up with the idea that if they negotiated together as a group, then they'd receive a better package

In the last couple of years they were all getting a million per episode. I mean when she became a draw. When everybody was coo-ing over here as Brad Pitts girlfriend, when start appearing in rom-coms.

David Schwimmer must have had a better agent at the time...

Xeyn

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

That sounds about right though, Sliver Linings playbook came out in 2012 as did the first Hunger Games. American Hustle was only released in 2013. I have no idea how long the pre-production/casting/contract negotiations can take but could easily have been a year or two earlier when she was still a bit of an unknown while all the others were more established.

I am sure she has no problem demanding any figure she wants for a film now!

A lot of presumptions to back your argument there.

waffleman

Patricia Arquette wants equality but only when it suits her it seems. In this case she's banging on about pay - no mention of:

Equality in marriage? Most cases women get the kids, house, spousal support and child support.

Equality in jail time? In the news last week a couple arrested for havin sex in public, she gets a caution - he gets arrested.

Equality in a physical confrontation? Woman viciously punches or glasses a man in an argument but hit her back and you're a pig.

I'm not blaming women for these examples - it is what it is. Women can never win this equality debate because men and women are not equal in the views and laws of society.

Arquette musta got a bum deal on a recent movie, so pumped up by her massive celeb ego thinks a rant about pay at the oscars will make a difference.

gubbie

I came across this quote while looking up JLaw

Also, analyzing the pay of the two co-presidents of production at Columbia Pictures—who have the same job—pointed to another gender-pay disparity, with Michael De Luca ($2.4 million) making almost $1 million more than Hannah Minghella ($1.5 million).Source

Can anyone really think she works half the hours because her womanly ways make it so?

Wompa1 wrote: »

Yes, You used an anecdote about Jennifer Lawrence to highlight your point. How much did she get paid for Hunger Games? She wasn't a draw for American Hustle...

I would consider hers and Amy Adams position and size on the poster to indicate she was a draw
Poster

nokia69

floggg wrote: »

The film industry is notoriously racist and sexist - most of the most prominent roles in films are given to white men.

is it really that bad

I always thought it was ran by some of the most left wing liberal people in america

floggg

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Well the reasons are simple.

I really only care about 4 awards in the Oscar's lead and supporting roles for male and female the rest I did not even listen too so I might start a new thread after I listen to them.

That being said, it was the nature of the topic.
Having a cause or being in support of something is fine.

It was more the fact that a wealthy individual with the reaction of Streep and Lopez two more extemely weathly individuals are pointing out issues with pay when there is a much larger issue of the wealth and greed which they are complicit in that I find hypocritical.

I want the right to get paid a larger more disgusting salary to bring me in line with my male co-stars!

Please go listen and then start protest threads.

If a woman can't complain about pay inequality because she is rich, a black man can't complain about institutionalised racism when he has wealth and acclaim which makes him inmune to such institutionalised racism.

And for the record, just because she is well paid it doesn't legitimise the fact that she might be be paid less just because of her gender.

Where is the cut off point where you can't expect equality? And why?


Women Lawyers are well paid. Do you think a woman lawyer should not be allowed complain if a male lawyers got paid more for doing the same job?

What about civil servants? They are relatively well paid. Can a female civil servant complain about discrimination?

Or can a woman only start demanding the same treatment as men if she is not he lowest rung of the pay scale?

Wompa1

gubbie wrote: »

I came across this quote while looking up JLaw



Can anyone really think she works half the hours because her womanly ways make it so?

So, those people are quite senior to be in the positions that they are in, right? How did they get their start? What pay did they receive when they entered their profession? Who had the best agent or negotiation tact.

Man or Woman, if you beleive that you're worth more. Demand it. A lady I worked with in my first 'professional' job was amazing. She asked for more money, didn't get it and then left and took a six figure salary somewhere else.

I wanted more for myself. I left and now I'm getting it too.

I've also got pay rises by threatening to leave. If you're worth keeping, they'll pay up. It takes confidence in yourself

Ri_Nollaig

Xeyn wrote: »

A lot of presumptions to back your argument there.

She won the Oscar for Sliver linings at the 2013 Oscars and was probably her best year. Filming for American Hustle started that March.

I know I am making a lot of presumptions here and its only a theory but her huge success has been relatively recent. I would say 2013-2014 being her best years where it felt like she appeared in every second film. I have no doubt she commands any salary she wants at this stage.

sashafierce

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tritium

Xeyn wrote: »

You are missing the point entirely. The argument is not that an intern should be paid the same as a consultant. It's that a female intern should be paid the same as the male intern. If Amy Adams plays a leading role in a movie then she should be paid the same or more than jeremy renner who had a smaller role and is not a bigger name than Adams. All the statistics on equal pay are like for like, so the argument that a twenty year employee should be paid more than a five year employee is irrelevant as it is not what the debate is about.

[url]Http://boxofficemojo.com/people/?view=Actor&pagenum=1&sort=person&order=ASC&p=.htm[/url]

Fascinating/ interesting site for the nerd in me. So on total gross Adams has pulled in more than Renner (1634m vs 1438m) however this is across 24 vs 18 films. On average Renner makes more (79.9m vs69.7m). Would come into a studios thinking -not sure. Laurence has made more than either, however in all cases some more recent films may skew this*

*I'm on the phone so no sanity checking of figures has been done here

nokia69

floggg wrote: »

Women Lawyers are well paid. Do you think a woman lawyer should not be allowed complain if a male lawyers got paid more for doing the same job?

all lawyers are not the same, pay would tend to be based on results, I doubt you could find any two who have equal pay

floggg wrote: »

What about civil servants? They are relatively well paid. Can a female civil servant complain about discrimination?

I'm sure they do all the time, in any work force controled by unions there will be plenty of bull**** complaints about sexism/racism/ageism

floggg wrote: »

Or can a woman only start demanding the same treatment as men if she is not he lowest rung of the pay scale?

people are free to complain any time they want, and other people should be free to point out where the complaints are groundless

ShowMeTheCash

floggg wrote: »

Please go listen and then start protest threads.

If a woman can't complain about pay inequality because she is rich, a black man can't complain about institutionalised racism when he has wealth and acclaim which makes him inmune to such institutionalised racism.

And for the record, just because she is well paid it doesn't legitimise the fact that she might be be paid less just because of her gender.

Where is the cut off point where you can't expect equality? And why?


Women Lawyers are well paid. Do you think a woman lawyer should not be allowed complain if a male lawyers got paid more for doing the same job?

What about civil servants? They are relatively well paid. Can a female civil servant complain about discrimination?

Or can a woman only start demanding the same treatment as men if she is not he lowest rung of the pay scale?

Your comparison is idiotic.

I think anyone that is over paid or in the top few % should not complain about how much money they get, it is disgusting!

If she stood up and said "We are getting paid a digusting amount of money in this industry the men even more so" then I might even get behind that kind of thinking... But she is using what might be a valid arguement to accept her Oscar to highlight a minor issue to a much larger soical issue which again she is complicit in.

As for everything else you said about race it has no relevance to my original post but to humour you...

Let's say a man stands up and talks about institutionalised racism as long as he is not complicit in something that effectively promotes directly or indirectly in racism then fair play.

Philo Beddoe

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Your comparison is idiotic.

I think anyone that is over paid or in the top few % should not complain about how much money they get, it is disgusting!

She didn't stand up and complain about how much money she gets. She said it was about time women got paid for doing the same work as men.

FatherTed

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

So I have watched a few bits and pieces of the Oscars. But watching Arquette's rant on equal pay for women and then Streep and Lopez go nuts I nearly p1ssed my pants!

Anyone else think this is just a big f##king joke?

Maybe the super wealthy feel the need to take up a cause to justifiy their extortionate wealth.

My exceptance speech would have been.

"F##k you Arquette, f##k you Streep and f##k you (don't look me in the eyes) Lopez......... Oh and f##k you too Oprah, you are full of sh1t also!"

So you're against equal pay?

waffleman

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

She didn't stand up and complain about how much money she gets. She said it was about time women got paid for doing the same work as men.

From interview she gave after her speech (Hollywood Reporter):

"The truth of it is the older an actress gets, the less money she makes"

Yeah she's in it for all the poor underpaid women of America. God bless her.

ShowMeTheCash

FatherTed wrote: »

So you're against equal pay?

No just hypocrisy... Go back to sleep

ShowMeTheCash

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

She didn't stand up and complain about how much money she gets. She said it was about time women got paid for doing the same work as men.

Must be something wrong with your ears! As she did not say that.

Everything she said was fine right up until she says "It is our time to have wage equality in the USA".

Shemale

Wompa1 wrote: »

In the last couple of years they were all getting a million per episode. I mean when she became a draw. When everybody was coo-ing over here as Brad Pitts girlfriend, when start appearing in rom-coms.

David Schwimmer must have had a better agent at the time...

She was getting paid $500,000 a nipple an episode.:eek: