Spring forward - March 9th

listermint

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The target market isn't Android heads. Or Apple haters.

As for the top level price, thats for the kind of people who drop $20K on a meal, or a party. The real super rich. Its like buying a very expensive car and losing half the price as you drive off. Apple probably will not sell that many, but a lot of celebs will have them and create a brand halo for the rest.

Apple haters? Android heads?

I am neither, I am into technology this forum isnt for the preserve of people who love Apple. Its a discussion forum for people who own / want to own and want to discuss apple products.

I havent come here to bash apple! I have specifically said the watch is not all they have advertised it to be. It is sub par and is going to heavily rely on marketing rather than the product to get a market share.

But sure fine if that makes me a realist then call me it. But dont call me an apple hater / android head or other ridiculous titles for expressing my views on this product and the level of nonsense that was brought up in the presentation yesterday.

listermint

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

yes they put apple-isms on it, of course they do, they are who they are after all.
Even if the manufacturing is the exact same as before or other companies use it doesn't change the fact that:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/luxury



The apple watch edition looks comfortable, is elegant, it's certainly a great expense to many. Ultimately it doesn't bother me either way, Apple have gone about this the way they want to. You can read into what you will. The only thing I know is that it's great that there's so much choice for everyone and I can't wait to add an apple watch to my two Omega's and IWC in my watch collection.

This goes against what you stated in another thread, you said you would prefer to buy the moto over it. So you may need to make your mind up btw.

Creamy Goodness

Maestro84 wrote: »

Why are the prices gone up so much on Macbook Pro's in Ireland? You can get the base model for €150 cheaper in the UK.

The Euro has taken a battering on the currency exchange markets.

Apple have raised the prices to ensure their profit margins are met.

Creamy Goodness

listermint wrote: »

This goes against what you stated in another thread, you said you would prefer to buy the moto over it. So you may need to make your mind up btw.

you mean this thing?



in fairness that's an after market apple watch edition with diamonds in it, i'd rather wear a moto 270 than the above, but give me an apple watch edition untouched above both of them.

tooth*grinder

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The apple watch edition looks comfortable, is elegant, it's certainly a great expense to many. Ultimately it doesn't bother me either way, Apple have gone about this the way they want to. You can read into what you will. The only thing I know is that it's great that there's so much choice for everyone and I can't wait to add an apple watch to my two Omega's and IWC in my watch collection.

looks at post count - laughs...

murpho999

listermint wrote: »

Apple haters? Android heads?

I am neither, I am into technology this forum isnt for the preserve of people who love Apple. Its a discussion forum for people who own / want to own and want to discuss apple products.

I havent come here to bash apple! I have specifically said the watch is not all they have advertised it to be. It is sub par and is going to heavily rely on marketing rather than the product to get a market share.

But sure fine if that makes me a realist then call me it. But dont call me an apple hater / android head or other ridiculous titles for expressing my views on this product and the level of nonsense that was brought up in the presentation yesterday.

So you can call me a fool but you can't be called an Android head or Apple hater. Glad we got that sorted.

Anyhow what was sub par about yesterday? Battery is the biggest issue for me, a watch that can't make it through the 24 hours it has on its clock face is strange to me.
Apart from that I don't see what the other major issues are.

Apple has always depended on marketing and done well. The first iPhone wasn't 3g and couldn't send MMS and was still a big success. It's always been a products that were evolved rather than being perfect from the start.

Also, as you point out this is a discussion form well then perhaps you should try discussing rather than being so adamant that your opinion is right.

Maestro84

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The Euro has taken a battering on the currency exchange markets.

Apple have raised the prices to ensure their profit margins are met.

Ye but if you take the exchange rate into account it's €150 dearer. VAT is an extra 3% in Ireland compared to the UK so that would be about an extra €30.

tooth*grinder

murpho999 wrote: »

So you can call me a fool but you can't be called an Android head or Apple hater. Glad we got that sorted.

Anyhow what was sub par about yesterday? Battery is the biggest issue for me, a watch that can't make it through the 24 hours it has on its clock face is strange to me.
Apart from that I don't see what the other major issues are.

Apple has always depended on marketing and done well. The first iPhone wasn't 3g and couldn't send MMS and was still a big success. It's always been a products that were evolved rather than being perfect from the start.

Also, as you point out this is a discussion form well then perhaps you should try discussing rather than being so adamant that your opinion is right.

The original iphone didn't have better solutions already on the market.
This is an incremental step all right, in the wrong direction. Goolge started down the path, and apple have over taken them.

Zcott

Here's another reason for the gold one: if you're in the market for a timepiece and you have big money to spend, Apple want to be in that market. Sure, you might opt for something different but Apple at least want to be in the game. And you can't deny them that.

seamus

listermint wrote: »

It is sub par and is going to heavily rely on marketing rather than the product to get a market share.

Yep. And in a world where people will pay upwards of €5,000 for a watch that does little more than tell the time, Apple will have no shortage of fools easily parted from their cash for a gold one.

That's the kind of business environment the Apple execs operate in over in San Francisco; a big confluence of pretentious twats who talk about what they're worth, their MBA, and their expensive watch. Ever see American Psycho?

The aim of the gold edition is not to get people to buy a $10k watch. It's to invent prestige around the watch so that business and industry leaders in San Francisco and New York will want to be seen wearing a $10k Apple watch and not a $200 pebble watch. It will be a huge win for Apple if it plays out - these guys will be seen at every conference and function with an Apple watch. All they will talk about with their business friends is their expensive Apple watch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple were making a slight loss on the watch in order to push it, though I'd be more of the opinion that they've inflated the price of it to make it appear prestigious.

tooth*grinder

seamus wrote: »

Yep. And in a world where people will pay upwards of €5,000 for a watch that does little more than tell the time, Apple will have no shortage of fools easily parted from their cash for a gold one.

That's the kind of business environment the Apple execs operate in over in San Francisco; a big confluence of pretentious twats who talk about what they're worth, their MBA, and their expensive watch. Ever see American Psycho?

The aim of the gold edition is not to get people to buy a k watch. It's to invent prestige around the watch so that business and industry leaders in San Francisco and New York will want to be seen wearing a k Apple watch and not a pebble watch.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple were making a slight loss on the watch in order to push it, though I'd be more of the opinion that they've inflated the price of it to make it appear prestigious.

And that 5k watch will continue to tell the time long after any of the iwatches are dead. The iwatch is not a luxury watch by any quality. It's a massively over priced gadget, and not worthy of the comparison apple is so insistent on attaching to it.

Creamy Goodness

Maestro84 wrote: »

Ye but if you take the exchange rate into account it's €150 dearer. VAT is an extra 3% in Ireland compared to the UK so that would be about an extra €30.

what exchange rate did you use? Apple and other companies that sell is several markets don't use what the current exchange is, they low ball it to account for fluctuations that will happen over the course of the financial year. I'm not condoning this by any means it's just simply solve for x maths where x = the currency conversion used by apple.

the_monkey

my friend wrote: »

Vested interests... Horologists and jewelry retailers feel threatened, expensive watch sales are a cash cow for them

Apple iWatches made in China electronics fads that will be worthless in 5 years time (apart from the Gold tacked on) will never be a competition to the people that buy proper quality watches.

I can't imagine they feel threatened.

The people that will spend $10k on an Apple iWatch are the same people that will spend similar money on a custom built gold plated iPhone.

my friend

tooth*grinder wrote: »

And that 5k watch will continue to tell the time long after any of the iwatches are dead. The iwatch is not a luxury watch by any quality. It's a massively over priced gadget, and not worthy of the comparison apple is so insistent on attaching to it.

I think you're Thomas Gear

jester77

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't know what people are complaining about then. Have the never seen the prices of real luxury watches?

The difference being that in 5 years a luxury watch is still a luxury watch. In 5 years an apple watch will be long outdated, no longer have software support and most likely will struggle to keep a charge for just a day.

tooth*grinder

my friend wrote: »

I think you're Thomas Gear

AH! had to google that I'm afraid. I wish I was.

Oafley Jones

tooth*grinder wrote: »

And that 5k watch will continue to tell the time long after any of the iwatches are dead. The iwatch is not a luxury watch by any quality. It's a massively over priced gadget, and not worthy of the comparison apple is so insistent on attaching to it.

Again, the conversation about luxury watch makers is largely marketing. Apple are not competiting with those companies. They know this and don't care. The Edition isn't going to take a sales from a luxury watch maker. There isnt an overlap. They just want the general public to have an association between the two. Interesting article linked on The Verge at the moment on what 10k will buy you. An important point in the piece is the cost component of craftsmanship. This is the true differential between the two. The apple watch has almost nil value here as it's essentially at its core a mass produced product.

murpho999

jester77 wrote: »

The difference being that in 5 years a luxury watch is still a luxury watch. In 5 years an apple watch will be long outdated, no longer have software support and most likely will struggle to keep a charge for just a day.

I don't think Apple Watches in gold or any other metal are really trying to compete with the conventional luxury watches.

tooth*grinder

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Again, the conversation about luxury watch makers is largely marketing. Apple are not competiting with those companies. They know this and don't care. The Edition isn't going to take a sales from a luxury watch maker. There isnt an overlap. They just want the general public to have an association between the two. Interesting article linked on The Verge at the moment on what 10k will buy you. An important point in the piece is the cost component of craftsmanship. This is the true differential between the two. The apple watch has almost nil value here as it's essentially at its core a mass produced product.

Yep - ergo my stance that the iwatch is in no way (either by apple's assertions or the type of person who drowns fillet steak in ketchup) a luxury watch. Its a luxury, over priced gadget. As nicely expressed by the verge article the difference between a luxury watch and a luxury gadget are huge.

dloob

The watch is a fashion accessory.
It's success will hinge on it's acceptance as a fashion item.
You can see they have been pushing that angle for a while now, the pre-launch appearances of the watch have been in fashion magazines not tech blogs.

Even the edition will get a good few sales I'd say.
Never could stand golds watches myself, awful tacky looking things.
The Apple one isn't as bad as some of the monstrosity's out there but its still pretty tacky looking.

seamus

tooth*grinder wrote: »

And that 5k watch will continue to tell the time long after any of the iwatches are dead. The iwatch is not a luxury watch by any quality. It's a massively over priced gadget, and not worthy of the comparison apple is so insistent on attaching to it.

Yeah, no argument here. But these guys have a collection of luxury watches. If they wanted something that told the time, they could buy a perfectly nice and attractive watch for $200. They're a status symbol, like expensive cars. They're not going to give a fnck that the watch will be obsolete in 3 years, they'll just buy the next one.

Mr. Incognito

I actually stayed up last night thinking of functionality it could have had.

1. Waterproof
2. Altimeter
3. Memory back up on contacts in your phone
4. Gps link with your phone so when you lose or misplace your phone it finds it
5. Vibrate directions when driving or running. One for left. Two for right.
6. ROUND FACE
7. Smoke/ carbon monoxide alarm
8. Kinetic charge from movement or user.

I was expecting something different. Not a square clunky same same android watch casino were bringing out twenty years ago

Mr. Incognito

I actually stayed up last night thinking of functionality it could have had.

1. Waterproof
2. Altimeter
3. Memory back up on contacts in your phone
4. Gps link with your phone so when you lose or misplace your phone it finds it
5. Vibrate directions when driving or running. One for left. Two for right.
6. ROUND FACE
7. Smoke/ carbon monoxide alarm
8. Kinetic charge from movement or user.

I was expecting something different. Not a square clunky same same android watch casino were bringing out twenty years ago

Sad Professor

It’s water resistant, which should be good enough for everything bar swimming.

And why would you want your watch backing up anything from your phone? That’s what iCloud is for.

murpho999

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I actually stayed up last night thinking of functionality it could have had.

1. Waterproof
2. Altimeter
3. Memory back up on contacts in your phone
4. Gps link with your phone so when you lose or misplace your phone it finds it
5. Vibrate directions when driving or running. One for left. Two for right.
6. ROUND FACE
7. Smoke/ carbon monoxide alarm
8. Kinetic charge from movement or user.

I was expecting something different. Not a square clunky same same android watch casino were bringing out twenty years ago

1) It's water resistant but you should be able to swim with a Sports edition.
2) Why? GPS on your phone can do that.
3) Why? Icloud does that easily. Perhaps you should turn that on.
4) Find my iPhone does the same thing. Maybe the app can go on the watch. GPS is not required.
5) Isn't that an app/software issue. Wouldn't voice commands be easier.
6) Matter of taste.
7) How could you expect a phone to do that?
8) Kinetic charge does not provide enough power to run a display.

Casios could only run calculators on watches 20 years ago,not a good comparison.

listermint

murpho999 wrote: »

1) It's water resistant but you should be able to swim with a Sports edition.
2) Why? GPS on your phone can do that.
3) Why? Icloud does that easily. Perhaps you should turn that on.
4) Find my iPhone does the same thing. Maybe the app can go on the watch. GPS is not required.
5) Isn't that an app/software issue. Wouldn't voice commands be easier.
6) Matter of taste.
7) How could you expect a phone to do that?
8) Kinetic charge does not provide enough power to run a display.

Casios could only run calculators on watches 20 years ago,not a good comparison.

No one wants to bring their Phone running a GPS receiver is a MUST for a so called fitness watch. Its frankly a joke without it.

listermint

murpho999 wrote: »

So you can call me a fool but you can't be called an Android head or Apple hater. Glad we got that sorted.

Anyhow what was sub par about yesterday? Battery is the biggest issue for me, a watch that can't make it through the 24 hours it has on its clock face is strange to me.
Apart from that I don't see what the other major issues are.

Apple has always depended on marketing and done well. The first iPhone wasn't 3g and couldn't send MMS and was still a big success. It's always been a products that were evolved rather than being perfect from the start.

Also, as you point out this is a discussion form well then perhaps you should try discussing rather than being so adamant that your opinion is right.

Also I didn't call you a fool.?????!!!

Zcott

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I actually stayed up last night thinking of functionality it could have had.

6. ROUND FACE

They thought about this. Round faces are great for some things but very poor for lists, which is what the watch is all about.

murpho999

listermint wrote: »

No one wants to bring their Phone running a GPS receiver is a MUST for a so called fitness watch. Its frankly a joke without it.

Agreed it's bad especially as phones are getting bigger. I was pointing out that the phone can do the Altimeter for you as it does all the GPS functions.

Apple also were a bit misleading in their video. The model Christy Turlington was seen training for the race with watch and phone on her arm but then come the race itself there was no phone visible, giving the impression it was not necessary.

No doubt the GPS addition will be the big thing in Watch 2.

Creamy Goodness

She had a small bag strapped around her midriff.

I'm guessing there was a phone in there tracking the gps along with energy gels etc.