Is TLOU a top 50 game or not?

johnny_ultimate · 01-03-2015 12:55am

Of course they don't, opinions are a social construct. Games can be objectively evaluated. Anybody who disagrees with the consensus is factually wrong.

(Am I doing this right? Should I throw in some disparaging comments about social justice warriors?)

Fakman87 · 01-03-2015 1:03am

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

I'm really interested to know why you didn't even rate it top 50. I know there was nothing groundbreaking about the gameplay but I thought it was done well and the shooting was very visceral for me, plus the story and character development were outstanding IMO. I genuinely found it more engrossing than most films.

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 3:03am

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

am I reading this all wrong? are you saying the last of us wouldnt be in your top 50 games of that calender year or all time?

Grayditch · 01-03-2015 3:06am

GAMES RELEASED ON THAT DAY!

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 01-03-2015 3:06am

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

Each to their own and all but that just stinks of trying to be different for the sake of it. It's quite clearly an objectively very well made game in pretty much all aspects, even if it might not be your cup of tea. How many games would you even play in full in a year?

Grayditch · 01-03-2015 3:07am

In fairness, he'd get through 'em.

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 3:10am

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Each to their own and all but that just stinks of trying to be different for the sake of it. It's quite clearly an objectively very well made game in pretty much all aspects, even if it might not be your cup of tea. How many games would you even play in full in a year?

yep what i was thinking too. that would actually turn me off his articles tbh. I mean if someone didnt like it fair enough but come on not in top 50 in that year? yeah ok then.. lol

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 3:13am

feck it i would actually love to see that article and wanna know exactly where the last of us would fit in outside the top 50?

mdwexford · 01-03-2015 3:53am

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

Stop talking rubbish just to sound cool or whatever it is you are trying to do.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 3:55am

Fakman87 wrote: »

I'm really interested to know why you didn't even rate it top 50. I know there was nothing groundbreaking about the gameplay but I thought it was done well and the shooting was very visceral for me, plus the story and character development were outstanding IMO. I genuinely found it more engrossing than most films.

I honestly just didn't like it. Simple as that really. If I had the opportunity to play through every single game I ever wanted to for the rest of my life, TLOU wouldn't be one of them.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:08am

20. Warframe
19. The Last of Us
18. Saints Row IV
17. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
16. Injustice: Gods Among Us
15. Lego City Undercover
14. Tomb Raider
13. Pokemon X/Y
12. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
11. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
10. Flower
09. Forza Motorsport 5
08. Super Mario 3D World
07. Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
06. BioShock Infinite
05. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
04. Papers Please
03. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
02. Grand Theft Auto V
01. Rayman Legends

Had I not had final say before going to print, TLOU would've probably been up top 5. Had I ran with my list in its entirety, it would've probably been something like this:

20. A Tale of Two Sons
19. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
18. Pikmin 3
17. Tearaway
16. BioShock Infinite
15. Fire Emblem: Awakening
14. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
13. Warframe
12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
11. Flower
10. Saints Row IV
09. Tomb Raider
08. Resogun
07. Papers Please
06. Forza Motorsport 5
05. Super Mario 3D World
04. Grand Theft Auto V
03. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
02. Rayman Legends
01. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 4:08am

COYVB wrote: »

I honestly just didn't like it. Simple as that really. If I had the opportunity to play through every single game I ever wanted to for the rest of my life, TLOU wouldn't be one of them.

so what are the 50 games that year that you rated higher than the last of us?

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:09am

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

How many games would you even play in full in a year?

Jesus... typically? 200?

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 4:16am

COYVB wrote: »

Jesus... typically? 200?

200 full play throughs a year? i take it you are playing through games fully to give an accurate judgement on them all?

Grayditch · 01-03-2015 4:19am

And he gets paid for it... the so n' so.

tgdaly · 01-03-2015 4:20am

mdwexford wrote: »

Stop talking rubbish just to sound cool or whatever it is you are trying to do.

Thought I was the only one arguing against the point. No offense to you COYVB, but the whole thing reminds me of those few scientist who try and argue that climate change isn't happening. To each their own though, each opinion is equal

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 4:21am

holy mackerel batman.... cex already have 65 copies of the order instore... gonna trade it tomorrow for cash and buy it for a tenner in 6 months so...

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:22am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

so what are the 50 games that year that you rated higher than the last of us?

oooh, a challenge! Taking the my top 20 for 2013 and expanding upon it...

50. F1 2013
49. Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus
48. Metro: Last Light
47. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist
46. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
45. BattleBlock Theater
44. Doki-Doki Universe
43. Injustice: Gods Among Us
42. DmC: Devil May Cry
41. Peggle 2
40. XCOM: Enemy Within
39. Rocksmith 2014 Edition
38. Lego City Undercover
37. Bit.Trip Runner2
36. Cloudberry Kingdom
35. Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix
34. FIFA 14
33. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
32. Dead Rising 3
31. NBA 2K14
30. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
29. The Stanley Parable
28. Waveform
27. Rogue Legacy
26. Fez
25. New Super Luigi U
24. Gran Turismo 6
23. Thomas Was Alone
22. Need for Speed: Most Wanted U
21. Hotline Miami
20. A Tale of Two Sons
19. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
18. Pikmin 3
17. Tearaway
16. BioShock Infinite
15. Fire Emblem: Awakening
14. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
13. Warframe
12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
11. Flower
10. Saints Row IV
09. Tomb Raider
08. Resogun
07. Papers Please
06. Forza Motorsport 5
05. Super Mario 3D World
04. Grand Theft Auto V
03. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
02. Rayman Legends
01. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

*Caveat: 2013 was a while ago, and not a massive amount of thought has gone into that list

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:24am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

200 full play throughs a year? i take it you are playing through games fully to give an accurate judgement on them all?

Give or take. Maybe more maybe less depending on the year. And not all through to 100% completion necessarily. I used to be able to play more, last year wasn't a great one for me on that front. This year has started out alright I suppose

Grayditch · 01-03-2015 4:25am

Good to see Rocksmith 2014 getting in there. It came in late to the music-game fad, and I think incidentally, it's miles ahead of all them.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:26am

Grayditch wrote: »

Good to see Rocksmith 2014 getting in there. It came in late to the music-game fad, and I think incidentally, it's miles ahead of all them.

It's fantastic. I really, really wish I had the time to put in serious hours with it. But I'm still relatively useless both on bass and 6-string. I can't blame Ubisoft for my lack of talent though. Grabbed it on the PS4 there over the Chrimbo and have played it about twice

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2015 4:27am

COYVB wrote: »

Give or take. Maybe more maybe less depending on the year. And not all through to 100% completion necessarily. I used to be able to play more, last year wasn't a great one for me on that front. This year has started out alright I suppose

jesus holy mary........ does gaming not become boring playing that much?

in saying that i have all next gen consoles

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:28am

mdwexford wrote: »

Stop talking rubbish just to sound cool or whatever it is you are trying to do.

Trust me buddy, I genuinely could not give two tosses what you or anyone on here thinks of my opinion about games. I get paid to play them, write about them, speak to developers about them and go to events about them, you do not.

That doesn't make my opinion better than yours, or anyone elses, that just makes me not give a toss what you or anyone else thinks about my opinion.

irishmover · 01-03-2015 4:29am

COYVB wrote: »

oooh, a challenge! Taking the my top 20 for 2013 and expanding upon it...

50. F1 2013
49. Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus
48. Metro: Last Light
47. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist
46. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
45. BattleBlock Theater
44. Doki-Doki Universe
43. Injustice: Gods Among Us
42. DmC: Devil May Cry
41. Peggle 2
40. XCOM: Enemy Within
39. Rocksmith 2014 Edition
38. Lego City Undercover
37. Bit.Trip Runner2
36. Cloudberry Kingdom
35. Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix
34. FIFA 14
33. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
32. Dead Rising 3
31. NBA 2K14
30. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
29. The Stanley Parable
28. Waveform
27. Rogue Legacy
26. Fez
25. New Super Luigi U
24. Gran Turismo 6
23. Thomas Was Alone
22. Need for Speed: Most Wanted U
21. Hotline Miami
20. A Tale of Two Sons
19. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
18. Pikmin 3
17. Tearaway
16. BioShock Infinite
15. Fire Emblem: Awakening
14. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
13. Warframe
12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
11. Flower
10. Saints Row IV
09. Tomb Raider
08. Resogun
07. Papers Please
06. Forza Motorsport 5
05. Super Mario 3D World
04. Grand Theft Auto V
03. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
02. Rayman Legends
01. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

*Caveat: 2013 was a while ago, and not a massive amount of thought has gone into that list

At least I can safely put you on the disregard opinion on games list! To each their own ofcourse.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:30am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

jesus holy mary........ does gaming not become boring playing that much?

Painfully so, yes. The fun stopped a long time ago.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:30am

irishmover wrote: »

At least I can safely put you on the disregard opinion on games list! To each their own ofcourse.

Happy to be there

irishmover · 01-03-2015 4:33am

COYVB wrote: »

Happy to be there

With games like GT6 (worst in series) and FIFA 14 regarded as better than TLOU I doubt you'd find many on here with a similar opinion to yours.

Grayditch · 01-03-2015 4:34am

I've played all the music games quite a bit, and what I realised about the song choices of games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band compared to Rocksmith is the first two chose songs based on popularity, regardless of if they could make it work as an interesting challenge or not. Some songs were so boring to "play".

And with Rocksmith when I first read the tracklist, I was disappointed, but almost all the songs are there for a reason, all with different styles and using different techniques. It's also one of the only games that you come away with some real knowledge and skills that you can apply in the real world, and vice versa.

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:35am

irishmover wrote: »

With games like GT6 (worst in series) and FIFA 14 regarded as better than TLOU I doubt you'd find many on here with a similar opinion to yours.

I doubt anyone would find many who would agree with everything on a top 50 for a given year

COYVB · 01-03-2015 4:38am

Grayditch wrote: »

I've played all the music games quite a bit, and what I realised about the song choices of games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band compared to Rocksmith is the first two chose songs based on popularity, regardless of if they could make it work as an interesting challenge or not. Some songs were so boring to "play".

And with Rocksmith when I first read the tracklist, I was disappointed, but almost all the songs are there for a reason, all with different styles and using different techniques. It's also one of the only games that you come away with some real knowledge and skills that you can apply in the real world, and vice versa.

I was the same. When I first heard about it I was super excited, but then I saw the tracks as they were being announced and wasn't entirely enamoured. They all work, even if they're not the most exciting things sonically. The addition of bass support I thought would get me properly into it, but alas it wasn't to be.

One thing I noted with the first version was that there was this random, and almost impossible difficulty spike for me. I went from being able to do fine, to not being able to hit the majority of the notes. That was sorted second time round for me, but I'd love to know if it was something that affected everyone, or it was just the way the game adapted to me

Is TLOU a top 50 game or not?

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