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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion: Spring/Summer 15

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,196 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Caught this of a cell moving into Naas today

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


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    ECM shows a lot less CAPE though so could be a complete bust.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    showforecast.cgi?lightningmap=yes&fcstfile=2015070706_201507060551_2_stormforecast.xml
    A warm sector develops slight CAPE, most of it elevated and over Ireland during the afternoon. There is enhanced SREH in GFS which may overlap with CAPE, as well as over 10 m/s 0-1 km shear and low LCLs. An isolated tornado may not be ruled out if a storm manages to form and organize.

    Tony Gilbert:

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    Mid Atlantic low pressure remains quasi stationary with continued unstable moist flow northwards across Ireland. Strong divergent upper jet stream overlays CAPE at front left exit region. Cold front expected to develop convective showers. Some of which might become thundery. DLS and LLS sufficient for storms to potentially develop an isolated tornado event as per map.Conditions look to peak in association with triple point north central region late afternoon just west of Omagh through to Cardonagh 16z-19z .My attention was drawn to this outlook by the NMM model predicting as much as 550 m2/s2 SRH values. This is quite a remarkable prediction.

    Convective Weather UK :
    Full text discussion will be written on Monday morning - however, some upgrades may be required to parts of Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland if conditions continue to look favourable for low-topped supercells and perhaps a tornado given strong DLS/LLS, favourably-backed surface winds and curved hodographs.

    Having said all that....CAPE values have been reduced on the latest model run compared to yesterdays more interesting charts. So, we'll see. But don't be shocked if a storm doesn't manage to get going at all!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    showforecast.cgi?lightningmap=yes&fcstfile=2015070706_201507060551_2_stormforecast.xml



    Tony Gilbert:





    Convective Weather UK :



    Having said all that....CAPE values have been reduced on the latest model run compared to yesterdays more interesting charts. So, we'll see. But don't be shocked if a storm doesn't manage to get going at all!


    Shall be in the hospital this afternoon for blood tests so hopefully shall be home in time to monitor the situation . NW's NMM always seems to be more realistic with instability compared to the Meteociel version .


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    For what it's worth.

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    ... REPUBLIC OF IRELAND / NORTHERN IRELAND ...

    In the wake of morning rainfall, advection of a warm, moist surface airmass (characterised by dewpoints of 15-17C) beneath the forward flank of an Atlantic upper trough will generate instability in the order of 300-700 Jkg-1 CAPE. Expect scattered showers and a few thunderstorms to form this afternoon across W/SW Ireland, moving/expanding NEwards with time towards Northern Ireland (particularly western parts) by evening. With the jet aloft, 40-50kts DLS will allow storms to become organised; indeed with a surface low to the west of Ireland, surface winds farther north will be increasingly backed, suggesting the potential for low-topped supercells. Rather low LCLs (given the high dewpoints) and strong LLS also increases the chance for a tornado, especially given very curved hodographs - particularly over northern parts of the SLGT where the best backed surface winds will be present.

    Some small hail is possible, although rather moist profiles may limit the hail potential somewhat. Nevertheless, with PWAT 25-30mm, there will be a risk of localised flash flooding from slow-moving torrential downpours. Given our criteria for issuing a SVR threat level, have issued a SVR primarily for the isolated tornado threat (hence majority of area will technically remain below SVR threshold, given low point probability) and to a lesser extent for the risk of excessive rainfall.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    2 people dead and 2 more badly burned after being struck by lightning in south Wales yesterday

    Be careful out there!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-33401965


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    396,000 lightning strikes across Europe yesterday.
    Germany got around 300,000 of them.

    I blame the Greek God Zeus...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,196 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Some sort of a cell has developed over the cork coast there's no sferics but it's pretty obvious on the Sat


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    If something interesting does develop, looking at the models, I think development would start somewhere in the west/southwest around 2-4pm, gaining size and intensity as it heads north. We'll see.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Recent lightning strike showing up over Dublin north Kildare? http://brunnur.vedur.is/athuganir/eldingar/i_dag_na.html?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Met.ie Hirlam has an area of interest over Donegal & the NW 'bout 7-8pm.

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    I think this will come more in the form of an organised rain band but thunder would be a nice bonus.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,675 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    Massive shower just over Galway City. Short but sharp!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    ronnie3585 wrote: »
    Massive shower just over Galway City. Short but sharp!

    I was just going to say, thats the one that looks most interesting at the moment on the radar as a candidate for further development. We'll see....


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    ronnie3585 wrote: »
    Massive shower just over Galway City. Short but sharp!

    Just wondering did I close the windows in the car when I finished my lunch....


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,160 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    temps rising nicely in the clearance, up to 21 degrees in Shannon now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,160 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Nice line developing up along the N17


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Nice line developing up along the N17

    Nothing but heavy rain at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Hal1


    Just looking at met.ie weather radar and I can see some white patches showing. Is that 32mm/hr then? Over galway / tuam area.

    32mm.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭lolie


    Hal1 wrote: »
    Just looking at met.ie weather radar and I can see some white patches showing. Is that 32mm/hr then? Over galway / tuam area.

    32mm.jpg

    I noticed that too but looking at the Netweather radar it appears it not.
    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=radar;sess=


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    lolie wrote: »
    I noticed that too but looking at the Netweather radar it appears it not.
    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=radar;sess=

    Looks to be up to 38 mm/hr on that scale to me.
    No sparks though!

    Looks to be up to 48 mm/hr on the latest update.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    lolie wrote: »
    I noticed that too but looking at the Netweather radar it appears it not.
    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=radar;sess=

    Top rate of 32,8mm at 2.35pm as that passed through. Certainly looks intense looking as it slices up to my east over the last half hour with some really evil looking, fast moving low scud. These type of summer streamers can bring some really high totals locally within a short time scale.

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Looks like its weakening now on the latest update. Some more showers popping up further south.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,160 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Localised but intense near Carrick on Shannon


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Top rate of 32,8mm at 2.35pm as that passed through. Certainly looks intense looking as it slices up to my east over the last half hour with some really evil looking, fast moving low scud. These type of summer streamers can bring some really high totals locally within a short time scale.

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    I just missed it and there was alot of scud hanging around so I couldn't get a decent shot of the back of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    I think we would probably have seen some electrical activity by now if those convective forecasts were to verify.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,362 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    That storm that blew through Galway earlier weakened for a bit but it has really intensified north of Carrick on Shannon now


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    Quite suspicious shape to this cell , looks like a supercell but surprised it has no lightning markers on it yet.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Hal1


    If it takes on a hook echo in the next while maybe so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    Hal1 wrote: »
    If it takes on a hook echo in the next while maybe so.

    Theres already one in that radar grab!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Hal1


    That comma section at the end oh. Does it look more defined now though?


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