PS4 Megathread 3.0

Benzino

M!Ck^ wrote: »

You only think its the publishers? Sony have nothing to do with the pricing?
Please confirm this with evidence. If you do fair play

But it's the publisher's game, they paid for the development of the game. Why would they let Sony dictate the price of their own games, makes no sense.

Benzino

Benzino wrote: »

But it's the publisher's game, they paid for the development of the game. Why would they let Sony dictate the price of their own games, makes no sense.

To be fair Benzi who can prove this?
So Sony make absolutely no profit on selling the title in the PSN store?
They don't actively engage with the publisher to see if they can squeeze an extra few bucks out of it?
I highly doubt it.

Varik

M!Ck^ wrote: »

To be fair Benzi who can prove this?
So Sony make absolutely no profit on selling the title in the PSN store?
They don't actively engage with the publisher to see if they can squeeze an extra few bucks out of it?
I highly doubt it.

Never any official word from Sony or anyone involve with selling on PSN but MS and Valve take a flat 30% from their respective marketplaces.

Benzino

M!Ck^ wrote: »

To be fair Benzi who can prove this?
So Sony make absolutely no profit on selling the title in the PSN store?
They don't actively engage with the publisher to see if they can squeeze an extra few bucks out of it?
I highly doubt it.

Who can prove Sony are ripping people off? :P

Sony get a percentage off every game sold for a PS console, but there is no way they set the price of the game. The publisher funds the game, markets the game, why would they then just let Sony set the price? Makes no sense to me.

F1ngers

M!Ck^ wrote: »

To be fair Benzi who can prove this?
So Sony make absolutely no profit on selling the title in the PSN store?
They don't actively engage with the publisher to see if they can squeeze an extra few bucks out of it?
I highly doubt it.

I would imagine the publishers know what Sonys' cut is and factor this into the RRP.

I don't know Sonys' cut, but if Microsoft and Steam charge 30%(as stated above), it would be reasonable to assume Sony get something similar.

Retr0gamer

Sony is definitely setting the price on the PS2 games. It's their emulator and it's their engineers adding in stuff like trophies and doing QA. Publishers are just submitting them to Sony who do the heavy lifting and set the price.

As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game before, would FF VII be worth it?

RedXIV

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As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game before, would FF VII be worth it?

Honestly, i think at this point, unless JRPG's are your thing, it wouldn't be a great one to start with. FFIX was more lighthearted and I found it much more accessible. I think you had to grow up with FF7 to really get it now (although as my better half did play and complete the game for the first time only 2 years ago, i may not be the best person to judge)

If you're looking at the ps4 version though, i'd recommend it far over the ps3 version, just for the speed increase (from PAL to NTSC)

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sony is definitely setting the price on the PS2 games. It's their emulator and it's their engineers adding in stuff like trophies and doing QA. Publishers are just submitting them to Sony who do the heavy lifting and set the price.

Exactly

To be honest if Microsoft were in the same position they would do the same but they are in the middle of trying to get the trust back from the consumer.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sony is definitely setting the price on the PS2 games. It's their emulator and it's their engineers adding in stuff like trophies and doing QA. Publishers are just submitting them to Sony who do the heavy lifting and set the price.

So the publisher's don't make any money off it?

Retr0gamer

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As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game before, would FF VII be worth it?

Definitely wouldn't recommend to start with 7. It's aged very badly, the battle system is simple and rather dull. It's not a bad game but I'd come back to it once you've played better games and have a better feel for JRPGs. As REDXIV said FF9 is a much better title but I'd actually recommend playing something outside the Final Fantasy series. Persona 3 and 4 and by far and away the best JRPGs (or some would even say RPGs) of the last decade and are a much better place to start.

As also mentioned don't go buying the PAL versions of these RPGs either, they are slowed down considerably, best to get them from the US store (FF7 on PS4 being the PC version doesn't have these issues thankfully).

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

So the publisher's don't make any money off it?

... as a moderator here I can't even dignify this with a response :rolleyes:

Sony are in control. They say we'll release a game on PS4 and do the hard work if you submit the game to us. You'll get x amount of profit, if you don't like it then get lost/discuss it with us. I'd say the price set is the basic price but you might get more expensive games for premium titles, expect Squaresoft titles to be a bit more expensive.

What are the chances of Just Cause 3 being a 12 Days deal?

Probably not, but you can dream ...

Retr0gamer

So Digital Foundry had a look at the PS2 emulator, seems to be quite good other than frame pacing issues which will hopefully be patched out. Colour correction and transparency effects all look to be rendering properly and very accurately which is where other PS2 emulators totally fail.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

... as a moderator here I can't even dignify this with a response :rolleyes:

Ha, not sure what you being a moderator as anything to do with it, but ok... :rolleyes:

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sony are in control. They say we'll release a game on PS4 and do the hard work if you submit the game to us. You'll get x amount of profit, if you don't like it then get lost/discuss it with us. I'd say the price set is the basic price but you might get more expensive games for premium titles, expect Squaresoft titles to be a bit more expensive.

Right... so the publishers do get a say in the price, and if they don't like it then the game doesn't go ahead. So I'm not sure now you can say Sony are in control when the publishers can just say no. In fact, I'd find it hard to believe Sony have final say, no doubt it's the publisher who has final say. It's their IP, they have total control over it imo.

Unless of course you have something to back up your claim, then I'd happily concede.

faceman

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As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game before, would FF VII be worth it?

I'm going to offer a different opinion than the other posters have given. FF7 on the PS2 was my first introduction to the FF series and to console RPG too. I loved it and played it to completion.

Retr0gamer

Look here's how it works.

All the original publisher does is submit the disc image to Sony for publication. Sony does all the hard work then coding the emulator to work with the title, adding in hooks for trophies and doing the QA work, all of which costs a lot of time and money. Sony have set the cost based on that labour and the percentage the publisher gets. They have set the base price. Now if there's extra involved in getting the game published, most likely licensing deals, like say for example Kingdom Hearts which would need license negotiations with Disney then Sony can look at raising the price but for basic engineering work to get the game working and published on PS4 then 15 euros is the price Sony are putting it up for to cover the basic cost, their own profit and original ip owners percentage.

gimli2112

I've had FF7 on the PS1, 3 and Vita. So yes I would recommend.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Look here's how it works.

All the original publisher does is submit the disc image to Sony for publication. Sony does all the hard work then coding the emulator to work with the title, adding in hooks for trophies and doing the QA work, all of which costs a lot of time and money. Sony have set the cost based on that labour and the percentage the publisher gets. They have set the base price. Now if there's extra involved in getting the game published, most likely licensing deals, like say for example Kingdom Hearts which would need license negotiations with Disney then Sony can look at raising the price but for basic engineering work to get the game working and published on PS4 then 15 euros is the price Sony are putting it up for to cover the basic cost, their own profit and original ip owners percentage.

Is there something to back this up or just your opinion? I guess saying either Sony set the price or the publisher set the price is wrong. They both agree to it. Sony want x% for their work involved in it, while the publisher want y% for their ip. So they both gotta agree on a price.

Xenji

Deleted User wrote: »

As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game before, would FF VII be worth it?

I do not think 7 would be the best starting point, I would definitely go with 9 or 6 before 7 if it is your first time.

Captain Chaos

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What are the chances of Just Cause 3 being a 12 Days deal?

Probably not, but you can dream ...

The Nathan Drake collection was there for half price, I wasn't expecting that after only being on retail for 6 weeks.

It might go up but only expect €10 off if it does.

airmax87

I'm afraid to read the thread.
Are the PS2 re releases in 50hz ?
I'll be really shocked if they are

EoinHef

A little bit dated and may not apply to the PS2 remakes/remasters but an article on digital pricing on PSN:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-28-sony-explains-ps4-digital-game-pricing

Another one,a lot more recent. Interview with a Ubi employee about digital pricing:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-explains-why-digital-games-stay-more-expen/1100-6428760/

Seems a lot of it is to keep their retail partners happy,so its like everyone is on the gouging gag except for the customer. Only the aware consumer gets the games at reasonable prices

DARK-KNIGHT

The old ps4 models imo are noisy and argh to think straight with the fan noise. The new ps4 model is so quiet i absolutely love it...

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

Is there something to back this up or just your opinion? I guess saying either Sony set the price or the publisher set the price is wrong. They both agree to it. Sony want x% for their work involved in it, while the publisher want y% for their ip. So they both gotta agree on a price.

It's just common sense and the way the publishing system has always worked on Sony systems, it was the same for PS1 and PS2 titles. On PS3 Sony set the price for game releases as well, there was a standard price but if a game had special requirements such as multiple discs or require additional licensing work on the part of the publisher, for instance the Megaman Legends games (or just the Square Enix 'tax') then the price could be raised. Sony have set a minimum price in this regard as well otherwise how come Sony published games aren't cheaper than games from outside publishers? They have set a pricing model to follow.

Vic Vinegar

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

The old ps4 models imo are noisy and argh to think straight with the fan noise. The new ps4 model is so quiet i absolutely love it...

Mine was noisy as shit when it was vertical, since i put it horizontally it's been much quieter. I have the old model.

Lemlin

Is Red Dead Redemption going up on PS4? I've never played it.

Varik

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's just common sense and the way the publishing system has always worked on Sony systems, it was the same for PS1 and PS2 titles. On PS3 Sony set the price for game releases as well, there was a standard price but if a game had special requirements such as multiple discs or require additional licensing work on the part of the publisher, for instance the Megaman Legends games (or just the Square Enix 'tax') then the price could be raised. Sony have set a minimum price in this regard as well otherwise how come Sony published games aren't cheaper than games from outside publishers? They have set a pricing model to follow.

They are cheaper so your point?

Sony published games 60

EA/SE/ect starting at 70

Xenji

Lemlin wrote: »

Is Red Dead Redemption going up on PS4? I've never played it.

Nothing has been mentioned, it is not offered as a PS Now game either yet, actually no Rockstar games are on it yet.

Retr0gamer

Varik wrote: »

They are cheaper so your point?

Sony published games 60

EA/SE/ect starting at 70

I was talking about PS2 games.

I see some of them are cheaper, two of them at 10 euro. I'd say that might be down to the bandwidth since the more expensive games are much larger in size.