Speeding ticket - N4 Liffey Valley - 60kph?

rolion

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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rolion

rolion wrote: »

Today the serious traffic offense caused by the speed van...
I was pushing the brake so hard from 80 to 55 that cars behind me were doing ballet from one lane to another !

http://youtu.be/Ompa057mAF8

88 to 49

Speeding in the 80 and having the hiss fit when you saw the trap. I feel so sad.

rolion

Deleted User wrote: »

88 to 49

Speeding in the 80 and having the hiss fit when you saw the trap. I feel so sad.

Fascinating...that's all that you've seen... !??

Lets talk about a moving object physics...but on another planet.
No moving object in his natural way can switch/transform from 80 to 60 in a fraction of time and limited space....even the water it takes gradually it's time to cool from 80 to 60

Now I expect to be given out that once in the 80Km zone I should stay in around 80ish. Then, once I enter the 60 zone, marked by the indicator and not miles away guessing in the crystal, I should instantly transform ,ignoring the laws of physics, to a correct indicated and restricted speed of 60 in a inch of the space and time ! Please note that the segment of the road that im coming from is marked as 80 and not around 80.If is marked with 80 I drive with 80.When you enter the lower speed or higher speed segment of the road, you deal according to the situation but not instant, in a mater of seconds and limited space as that will create a huge pressure on the drivers behind your car.
Imagine yourself, for a second of time and space on M50..taking the exit at 120KMph and the next speed indicator is ... 60 Kph...is not advertised or a pre-warning sign either, so an idiot driver like me i will be navigating at 120...do you guys stop and break to reduce to 60 or let it according to the circumstance slow down nice ,safe and easily !?
It takes few seconds for the cruise control to disconnect and also, the GPS says "warning, speed alert" AFTER you entered the 60 and not in advance.

I've seen on M50 exits, some of them, that there are warning signs that in 100m the speed with be restricted from lets say 100 to 80,then in another 100m from 80 to 50 or 30.YEs,that will be correct and there is no excuse...for any of the well known laws of the physics !

But...lets not forget that we are on Earth ,where "more" experienced drivers can drop speeds from 80 to 60,from 120 to 60 ,from 80 to 50 in a matter of a second (can we talk about time here !? ) and some of them, still believe is legal and normal to park the car in the middle of a T junction !

Most of the drivers were done at around 65/75 as their car was doing its natural, gravity, wind and friction motion, slowing down inertial.

For your own information, there is a +/-10% error speed indicator from car dashboard and the GPS systems. Also, i take fcuking blame for driving with 80ish on a 4 lane like road slash motorway but that is only applicable on Lucan bypass. There is the on-board real-time GPS tracking report...

ironclaw

@rolion, in my opinion, and you can view my sentiment on the vans in the countless posts and threads I've had here, you are not expected to go from 80km/h to 60km/h in an instant. So your arguement is non-existant. Even by your video, you have 5 or so seconds to begin slowing down before you even hit the 60 zone. Depending on your eye sight and awareness, you can see the 60km/h signs a good distance from where they are, and at least the same distance behind those signs in the van. You are supposed to be doing 60km/h or less from when you enter the zone, not begin to slow to 60km/h once you enter. The idea being you anticipate the slow down for the speed change.

As I said in the other thread, its one of the few places in the country I agree with the 'ridiculous' speed limit. Its a monumental mess of a junction. If someone is up your behind, let them. The limit is the limit. We all speed on a daily basis but if someone is doing the limit, we have no right to barrel up their exhaust pipe and likewise, let them get as frustrated as they want. No one can force you to break the limit.

As regards anyone caught there, I'd request larger photos and if there is more than one car in the frame, I'd fight it. If you find yourself over the limit and there is a car level with you to your left or right, I'd take my chances in court or decline the notification on that technicality.

I hate that section. I always do 60 and I have people driving up my backside
Look I'm sorry but I don't want to get caught speeding and I can't change lanes because the exit is just there, calm down!

ironclaw

bluewolf wrote: »

I hate that section. I always do 60 and I have people driving up my backside
Look I'm sorry but I don't want to get caught speeding and I can't change lanes because the exit is just there, calm down!

Nothing to be sorry for. Its the limit. The difference between 80 and 60 for that section is marginal timewise. And I've often had people blast past me when the split happens only for me to catch them on the carousel turn or M50. Numpties.

rolion

rolion wrote: »

Fascinating...that's all that you've seen... !??

Lets talk about a moving object physics...but on another planet.
No moving object in his natural way can switch/transform from 80 to 60 in a fraction of time and limited space....even the water it takes gradually it's time to cool from 80 to 60

Now I expect to be given out that once in the 80Km zone I should stay in around 80ish. Then, once I enter the 60 zone, marked by the indicator and not miles away guessing in the crystal, I should instantly transform ,ignoring the laws of physics, to a correct indicated and restricted speed of 60 in a inch of the space and time ! Please note that the segment of the road that im coming from is marked as 80 and not around 80.If is marked with 80 I drive with 80.When you enter the lower speed or higher speed segment of the road, you deal according to the situation but not instant, in a mater of seconds and limited space as that will create a huge pressure on the drivers behind your car.
Imagine yourself, for a second of time and space on M50..taking the exit at 120KMph and the next speed indicator is ... 60 Kph...is not advertised or a pre-warning sign either, so an idiot driver like me i will be navigating at 120...do you guys stop and break to reduce to 60 or let it according to the circumstance slow down nice ,safe and easily !?
It takes few seconds for the cruise control to disconnect and also, the GPS says "warning, speed alert" AFTER you entered the 60 and not in advance.

I've seen on M50 exits, some of them, that there are warning signs that in 100m the speed with be restricted from lets say 100 to 80,then in another 100m from 80 to 50 or 30.YEs,that will be correct and there is no excuse...for any of the well known laws of the physics !

But...lets not forget that we are on Earth ,where "more" experienced drivers can drop speeds from 80 to 60,from 120 to 60 ,from 80 to 50 in a matter of a second (can we talk about time here !? ) and some of them, still believe is legal and normal to park the car in the middle of a T junction !

Most of the drivers were done at around 65/75 as their car was doing its natural, gravity, wind and friction motion, slowing down inertial.

For your own information, there is a +/-10% error speed indicator from car dashboard and the GPS systems. Also, i take fcuking blame for driving with 80ish on a 4 lane like road slash motorway but that is only applicable on Lucan bypass. There is the on-board real-time GPS tracking report...

Good grief! So instead of seeing the signs and the vans you wait for GPS system to warn you? Do I understand correct? You do not prepare in advance for the sign you would see from 50m away?

wandererz

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Good grief! So instead of seeing the signs and the vans you wait for GPS system to warn you? Do I understand correct? You do not prepare in advance for the sign you would see from 50m away?

It's the positioning of the sign and then the vehicle.
The speed limit sign is positioned on a curve in the road. The speed detection vehicle is then positioned soon after the sign. This is not conducive to improved road safety, it is instead conducive to simply catching people out.

If road safety was of importance there would be a stepped/gradual speed reduction on the straight stretches of that road prior to that location.

There are plenty of straight stretches prior to that to achieve this in a safe manner so that by the time drivers approach this curve in the road, there is no excuse.

But that is not done. The relevant authority decides on a severe reduction at the most inconvenient of locations.

And the Garda Traffic Corps or the safety vans simply take advantage of this.

rolion

@ironclaw...many thanks for a decent comment, much appreciated.


Now.. let's leave the physics on Sheldon's shoulders and let's have fun with the maths !

As per below "edited" photo...what do you guys think is the catching radar distance...or ... the safe distance for a driver to reduce "instant" from 80 to 60 without been caught by the radar gun OR causing inconvenience to back car' drivers !?

Thanks.

ironclaw

@rolion, your roughly looking at a detection range of 2.5 times the width of the road. I have no idea how wide a lane is there. Shall we say 10ft? So you are looking at 10ft times 3, so 30ft and then 2.5 times that. So 75ft. I generally say the 'danger zone' is 25m from the rear of the van. And thats pushing it.

You also have the mixed fun bag of a multi lane road and multiple cars. These vans cannot monitor multiple lanes at once, well they can, but to secure a conviction you need a single car in the frame. You can, and should, walk into court and point to a car level with yours in the picture and say 'Well, who was speeding, me or him?' And I'd take my chances you will have the case dismissed. Certainly in your frame there, I'm confident you could have take it at a 100km/h and been safe. You have a line of cars in both lanes.

Think about it, how can you be snapped if they can't see your plate?

Reg'stoy

Regardless of your attitude to the placement of these vans, those of us who travel that road regularly of which I am one; will most certainly be more observant of the limit. At the end of the day is that a bad thing.

TOEJOE

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Why dont they MOVE the SMALL 60Km speed limit SIGN further back and instead of small signs use a flashing speed indicator SIMPLE!!!!!

rolion

ironclaw wrote: »

@rolion, your roughly looking at a detection range of 2.5 times the width of the road. I have no idea how wide a lane is there. Shall we say 10ft? So you are looking at 10ft times 3, so 30ft and then 2.5 times that. So 75ft. I generally say the 'danger zone' is 25m from the rear of the van. And thats pushing it.

You also have the mixed fun bag of a multi lane road and multiple cars. These vans cannot monitor multiple lanes at once, well they can, but to secure a conviction you need a single car in the frame. You can, and should, walk into court and point to a car level with yours in the picture and say 'Well, who was speeding, me or him?' And I'd take my chances you will have the case dismissed. Certainly in your frame there, I'm confident you could have take it at a 100km/h and been safe. You have a line of cars in both lanes.

Think about it, how can you be snapped if they can't see your plate?

Thanks.

After having two consecutive "best black" Guinness for the "best green" Irish boys ... my logic dictates me that one of the options could be that I will be "snapped" in the before 60 segment,while i'm doing legal 80 but "snapped" for doing it as over 60, as with to relative disrespectful setup position of the van !?

No...that will not happen on this planet isn't !?
We respect each other and plenty of common sense and decency from those vans.

There used to be a boardsie user that worked for "govan"...he may be able to tell at what travel distance and lights years the radar can "snap" your car...

Anyway...if I get "snapped" I should ask for the technical photo...I wanna see the sign of the 60 indicator before or after...hmmm....strange one...beam me long before 60ish so I can see the indicator...before the laser touches my car's surface .

cheers...thanks !

ironclaw

Given all I've said, what part of you thinks you stand even the remotest chance of being snapped?





Ladies and gents, you need to have a clear, unobstructed view of the rear of the van, you need to be speeding and you need to be really, really close.

Vicxas

I find it absolutely incredulous that there's no indication that the speed is going to reduce apart from a small sign and then there's a speed van just inside.

A tad unfair no?

StoptheClocks

http://www.newstalk.com/Can-new-Ford-technologies-stop-speeding-tickets

ironclaw

StoptheClocks wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.com/Can-new-Ford-technologies-stop-speeding-tickets

When the speed limit rises, drivers can pick up speed but the car won’t allow them to drive faster than the limit on that particular road

Que overtake and inability to accelerate

Good idea but no way I'd want that fitted to my car. If you can't monitor signs then you are not aware of your surroundings. We are teaching people to be lazy.

mloc123

StoptheClocks wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.com/Can-new-Ford-technologies-stop-speeding-tickets

Audi, VW and probably Skoda too have had this for a few years now I am pretty sure.

Pov06

I doubt it will work. Speed will be reduced by cutting fuel/spark, not braking. I'm not sure if there will be enough time for the car to slow down before the speed van

Chris_Heilong

maybe someone should put up a temporary sign 100 meters before saying warning 60 zone ahead.

hmmm

bluewolf wrote: »

I hate that section. I always do 60 and I have people driving up my backside
Look I'm sorry but I don't want to get caught speeding and I can't change lanes because the exit is just there, calm down!

I've never been bothered by what people are doing behind me, that's their problem. It's a genuinely dangerous section of road that deserves a 60km sign - there are crashes on it regularly thanks to eejits not paying attention and going too fast, and swerving across lanes at the last minute.

I agree that the 60km sign could be brighter or better positioned - but some people don't notice the huge great lane signs on the gantry beforehand, so I'm not sure how much help you can give people who are largely oblivious to their surroundings anyway.

Flippyfloppy

My thinking is that the 60 sign is going unnoticed for a lot of motorists because of everything else going on, getting into the correct lane, watching others who are getting into your own lane. Everyone is swapping and changing there and yes it is quite dangerous.

ironclaw

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

My thinking is that the 60 sign is going unnoticed for a lot of motorists because of everything else going on, getting into the correct lane, watching others who are getting into your own lane. Everyone is swapping and changing there and yes it is quite dangerous.

Going to be honest, someone would have to have a very small capacity for observation and anticipation if they are unable to cope with that junction. A driver in that situation will already be at 80km/h for a significant amount of time before coming to the 60km/h. Everything will be nice and slow, relatively speaking. Having not been there recently, I can't comment too well, but from recollection the lane is well sign posted and the speed limit signs are not exactly hidden.

The other great example is the N7 City bound. Its well sign posted which lane to be in (Before the new bridge) and again after it, yet, you still get all sorts of messing going on at the merge for the M50.

We need to stop making excuses for those incapable of some basic observation as we are beginning a blame transfer trend away from the driver.

AhHaor

ironclaw wrote: »

Going to be honest, someone would have to have a very small capacity for observation and anticipation if they are unable to cope with that junction. A driver in that situation will already be at 80km/h for a significant amount of time before coming to the 60km/h. Everything will be nice and slow, relatively speaking. Having not been there recently, I can't comment too well, but from recollection the lane is well sign posted and the speed limit signs are not exactly hidden.

The other great example is the N7 City bound. Its well sign posted which lane to be in (Before the new bridge) and again after it, yet, you still get all sorts of messing going on at the merge for the M50.

We need to stop making excuses for those incapable of some basic observation as we are beginning a blame transfer trend away from the driver.

But what contributes to this mess is the hard brakers who see the van (or something van like) and brake down to 40 and those who are up your rear! These are the main contributors to the mess. I'd love to know how many accidents were caused there when people were doing 80 km/h.

ironclaw

AhHaor wrote: »

But what contributes to this mess is the hard brakers who see the van (or something van like) and brake down to 40 and those who are up your rear! These are the main contributors to the mess. I'd love to know how many accidents were caused there when people were doing 80 km/h.

Absolutely. But the same effect can be had by those not respecting the limit, ploughing up at 100 and then slapping on when someone doing the limit is ahead of them or attempting to merge. Leading to driving too close, braking, getting annoyed.. Net result is a traffic jam anyway.

Granted in all cases the van will likely cause a jam, no question, but drivers themselves are the best at creating them.

AhHaor

Agreed, with the M50 containing all these stupid warning screens telling people there's delays or travel time to Jx, I cannot see how they can get away with not having one a bit further back, around Woodies say that warns people of 60 km/h zone coming up. They should be required everywhere a non standard speed limit change is approaching.

Fred Swanson

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ironclaw

AhHaor wrote: »

They should be required everywhere a non standard speed limit change is approaching.

Then again, we are saying here that people will miss a speed sign, what chance do they have of seeing an additional sign a few hundred meters back? Slim to none if the truth be told.

Granted you could have it flashing and all sorts, but then people see flashing lights and jam on the brakes, even if they are amber in colour. Its also distracting for those that can just about manage these roads. If you change the gantry messages, people actually slow down to read them and would also be a ludicrously expensive option.

Getting caught speeding there is really a tax for not being observant.

alias no.9

ironclaw wrote: »

Then again, we are saying here that people will miss a speed sign, what chance do they have of seeing an additional sign a few hundred meters back? Slim to none if the truth be told.

Granted you could have it flashing and all sorts, but then people see flashing lights and jam on the brakes, even if they are amber in colour. Its also distracting for those that can just about manage these roads. If you change the gantry messages, people actually slow down to read them and would also be a ludicrously expensive option.

Getting caught speeding there is really a tax for not being observant.

The change in speed limit happens immediately at the end of the merge from Liffey Valley / Fonthill Road and a very short distance before the exits either side for M50 North and South.

The speed limit sign is on a sweeping left handed bend, a tiny distance before a gantry sign indicating lanes and directions, traffic is merging on the approach and changing lanes in preparation for exiting to the M50 either to the left or right. There are a lot of things competing for a drivers attention on a very short stretch of road.

The simplest single thing that could be done is to lose the speed limit signs on the side of the road and put them on the gantry rather than the nonsensical side of the road signs on a multi lane road, reduce the competition for the drivers attention from road signs.

Better still would be to begin the 60km/h stretch further back at the previous gantry, again putting the signs on the gantry. This gantry has a much straighter lead up giving much better visibility for drivers approaching the change in speed limit, especially those not familiar with the road and you also get the speed down before the merging and lane changing mess.

dhayes73

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I saw the new van location in person last Thursday. Its about 50 feet from the 60 signs so I'd really push for the full picture. I really doubt they are clocking peoples speed in the 60 zone.

Unfortunately they are clocking speeds in the 60 Zone. I, like the Original Poster, got a ticket for doing 72 in a 60 at Liffey Valley (dated 7th March), I can only preusme this is where it was, as its the only 60KPH limit along any part of the N4 I was driving that day. It is a pure revenue generater. €80 and 3 points. I wouldnt mind but I was slowing down from 80, just didnt slow down quick enough. First time ever I have received a speeding fine, and points. I presume there is no point in me trying to appeal it.

dhayes73

Desailly wrote: »

I requested it, as I had a feeling that I was in the 80 zone when the van clocked me doing 70, as it was sitting just inside the start of the 60 zone

What day did you receive the fine for, was it Saturday 7th. That was when I received mine for, and will do the same as you if it was.

StoptheClocks

dhayes73 wrote: »

What day did you receive the fine for, was it Saturday 7th. That was when I received mine for, and will do the same as you if it was.

I got mine on the Sunday March 8th. I assumed if you appealed , you had to go to court and if unsuccessful, got 5 points. Is this correct or can you request more information without further penalty?

dhayes73

StoptheClocks wrote: »

I got mine on the Sunday March 8th. I assumed if you appealed , you had to go to court and if unsuccessful, got 5 points. Is this correct or can you request more information without further penalty?

Sorry, I meant to put that comment to the person who got theirs cancelled. It does appear from the pics and video put up that there is not a reasonable amout of road space to slow down from 80 to 60 before getting caught by the camera. For someone who is not aware of the sign until they see it, its very unfair.

dhayes73

Desailly wrote: »

I was caught on a Saturday and received the FCN on the following Wednesday, however I sent in an FCN cancellation application and they cancelled it "due to a technical error", so if anyone was "caught" by this van on the N4 and you were doing under 80, I would recommend you send in the FCN cancellation and see what happens.

What date was your speeding fine issued for. If it was 7th, the day I got mine for, I will probably try the same.

ironclaw

dhayes73 wrote: »

there is not a reasonable amout of road space to slow down from 80 to 60 before getting caught by the camera. For someone who is not aware of the sign until they see it, its very unfair.

I would not even attempt that defense in court. As they'll simply point out how far in advance a person with suitable eyesight can see the sign and you'll be done. You have at least double the distance from the sign to the van, as the distance from the sign to when you can see the 60 sign.

You also have to be doing 60 as you pass the sign, not begin to slow to 60 once you pass it. A key but subtle difference.

If it was me, request the larger photo. if there is more than one car in the frame, to your left or right, I'd try fight it.

dhayes73

ironclaw wrote: »

I would not even attempt that defense in court. As they'll simply point out how far in advance a person with suitable eyesight can see the sign and you'll be done. You have at least double the distance from the sign to the van, as the distance from the sign to when you can see the 60 sign.

You also have to be doing 60 as you pass the sign, not begin to slow to 60 once you pass it. A key but subtle difference.

If it was me, request the larger photo. if there is more than one car in the frame, to your left or right, I'd try fight it.

Yeah, I agree, its not something I would try to fight in the courts. Would get minced totally on it. It is just so frustrating. I did pride myself on never having points on my license. But hey, thats the way it goes.

Desailly

dhayes73 wrote: »

What date was your speeding fine issued for. If it was 7th, the day I got mine for, I will probably try the same.

Yes that was the day I got caught also. I didn't have to go to court to get it cancelled, you can apply for a "Fixed Charge Notice (FCN) cancellation" and put your case forward to them. Also you can request a copy of the full photo of your car (rather than the cropped one they provide) and this will give you an idea of where your speed was measured, compared to the 60KM speed signs.
I asked for a copy of the full photo and applied for the FCN cancellation at the same time and got an email back within a day to say it was cancelled due to a "technical error" and I had no further obligations in the matter. I also received a letter a few days later stating the same thing.
The application for the cancellation form is on the garda.ie website, under traffic and then fixed charge notices

PauloMN

I paid my fine as soon as it arrived as I didn't see any alternative other than court and potential 5 points. There was no information about "FCN cancellation" or anything like that. However based on some of the info here, I decided to get the full photo just to check where I was done. I wonder do I have a case to challenge it as the buildings and scenery in the background of the shot are all within the 80kph zone. I suspect I was literally just inside the 60kph zone when done, but would the fact that the reference buildings are within the 80kph zone put enough doubt on it I wonder? It's clear that the van was parked literally within metres of the 60kph zone.

To claim to be doing this in the interest of road safety is even more laughable now that I've seen the photo.

Fred Swanson

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PauloMN

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Didn't think they'd send on the photo in that case.

Desailly

PauloMN wrote: »

I paid my fine as soon as it arrived as I didn't see any alternative other than court and potential 5 points. There was no information about "FCN cancellation" or anything like that. However based on some of the info here, I decided to get the full photo just to check where I was done. I wonder do I have a case to challenge it as the buildings and scenery in the background of the shot are all within the 80kph zone. I suspect I was literally just inside the 60kph zone when done, but would the fact that the reference buildings are within the 80kph zone put enough doubt on it I wonder? It's clear that the van was parked literally within metres of the 60kph zone.

To claim to be doing this in the interest of road safety is even more laughable now that I've seen the photo.

You could contact them by e-mail at npo @ garda.ie and see what they say

bri007

I was driving out of town last night and took the Liffey valley exit on way to the cinema. I was doing under 80 I don't use this road normally, but is it 60 or 80?

AH92

bri007 wrote: »

I was driving out of town last night and took the Liffey valley exit on way to the cinema. I was doing under 80 I don't use this road normally, but is it 60 or 80?

Same here pal I came off the m50 southbound and took the liffey valley exit where the clarion hotel is, The speed van was right beside the bus stop ahead of the exit yea?
I'm thinking it's an 80 there but not sure!

bri007

Ye that's where it was, I'm hoping it was 80!

Reggie.

AH92 wrote: »

Same here pal I came off the m50 southbound and took the liffey valley exit where the clarion hotel is, The speed van was right beside the bus stop ahead of the exit yea?
I'm thinking it's an 80 there but not sure!

Yeah it is

I.S.T.

AH92 wrote: »

Same here pal I came off the m50 southbound and took the liffey valley exit where the clarion hotel is, The speed van was right beside the bus stop ahead of the exit yea?
I'm thinking it's an 80 there but not sure!

It's a joke, no fatal or serious in that general area for at least 8 years according to RSA.

Would be great if you can input the exact location on our website

desbrook

Got 3 penalty points there two weeks ago. Saw the van - looked at my speed thinking it was a 80kph zone. Grand I thought - wrong !! My 71kph was 11 over rather than 9 under

Am I unused to the road? - No I'm a regular 3-4 times a week for the last 3 years.

Am I slap dash about speed? No I really do try to stay under. I've never had a single point until now.

So next time I tried to spot the 60kph sign. Mother of God!! What a place to put a sign!! Right under a massive gantry sign ready to bombard you with information. The 60 really needs to be written in paint on each lane.

Damien360

I.S.T. wrote: »

It's a joke, no fatal or serious in that general area for at least 8 years according to RSA.

Would be great if you can input the exact location on our website

I know that junction and it is hairy when traffic gets heavy. The 60 is probably justified when traffic is heavy but a pain in the ass when the traffic is light.

City outbound goes down by one lane with inside one disappearing. That lane becomes the joining lane for traffic from northbound M50 and also a bus lane. Add to that the southbound M50 joining on the other side of that at the same point and you get chaos.

A lot of the M50 north joiners and trying to continue on to n4/M4 but many of the M50 South joiners are trying to cross all lanes and across the bus lane to get to Liffey valley turn off.

When traffic is light, it all works at a reasonable speed but once rush hour outbound happens, it is very hard to cross. Lower speed at this time makes sense although it is rare you will get over 50 at that point when it gets busy.

We badly need gantry with changing speed limit depending on time. It happens in Germany and happens all over the UK.

I have seen that van at 9pm at that very spot very often with very light traffic and it is just shooting fish in a barrel. Speed limits have to make sense to be acceptable to everyone. If it was 80 after 7pm until 7am there would'nt be a single complaint. 7am to 10am at 60 and then 3 to 7 at 60kmph. Gantries to highlight this and it would work.

punisher5112

They always love to enforce speeding as it's so easy to catch and prosecute compared with other offences.

Bad driving, very poor trainning if any are what I see to be main causes of crashes and also nobody takes personnal responsibility for their own actions like pedestrians just walking out and that.

bri007

So it is 60 at the Liffey valley exit beside the clarion hotel?