Netanyahu Calls On World To Halt Iran's March Of Conquest And Terror

Timberrrrrrrr

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Islam is the root cause of Middle Eastern woes not just for the last decade but since the 7th century.

Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.

End of.

Ok so explain how you would stop them. What are the viable options in your opinion?

Gringo180

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Iran and Hezbollah have an apocalyptic world view. They believe in the return of the hidden Imam which will lead to a final war with the infidels.



The Iranian government are not rational. They are religious fundamentalist lunatics who want to bring about the apocalypse.



No they don't. If they can destroy Israel they don't care how many Iranians will die in a counterstrike. Iran is ultimately a death cult.

Absolute bull sh1te. Do you get paid to write this nonsense?

Sand

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

What are you trying to say?

You made a definitive statement that Iran cant be allowed to have nuclear weapons "End of."

I'm just determining if that resolve only extends to fighting to the last American. Or if you actually do recognise that there are worse things than a nuclear armed Iran.

Karl Stein

Netenyahu is a bigger threat to Israel's security than Iran.

As Netanyahu’s plane was in the air Sunday en route to Washington, a group called Commanders for Israel’s Security, made up of 180 retired generals and national security officials—including three former heads of Mossad—denounced the prime minister’s trip. “The present policy constitutes a destruction of the alliance with the U.S.,” said retired Major General Amnon Reshef, a hero of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, who co-founded the group.

thedailybeast.com

DavidRamsay99

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ok so explain how you would stop them. What are the viable options in your opinion?

Intensifying the sanctions against Iran and threatening them with military force if they do not dismantle their centrifuges and if they refuse to comply make use of military force to destroy their entire nuclear industry and their ballistic missiles capability.
At the same time encourage internal political opponents and in time bring down the Iranian leadership.
If Iran acquire nuclear weapons there will not be a nuclear stand off as there was with the Soviet Union in the past or with presently with North Korea today.
The Iranians will use them.
When they do a nuclear counter-strike will become unavoidable.
It need not come to that but it will if Iran continues to be shamelessly appeased.

DavidRamsay99

Sand wrote: »

You made a definitive statement that Iran cant be allowed to have nuclear weapons "End of."

I'm just determining if that resolve only extends to fighting to the last American. Or if you actually do recognise that there are worse things than a nuclear armed Iran.

How could there be anything worse than a brutal theocracy with a 7th century mindset armed with nuclear weapons?

JRant

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

How could there be anything worse than a brutal theocracy with a 7th century mindset armed with nuclear weapons?

You mean like Isreal?

DavidRamsay99

Gringo180 wrote: »

Absolute bull sh1te. Do you get paid to write this nonsense?

Sticking your hands over your ears and screaming "la la la la la" does not change the reality of the Iranian theocracy.

They have an apocalyptic world view about a future cosmic war between the infidel and Islam.

They welcome rather than fear nuclear war.

DavidRamsay99

JRant wrote: »

You mean like Isreal?

You know nothing about Israel's cosmopolitan liberal democratic educated enlightened scientifically advanced economically prosperous society do you?

JRant

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

You know nothing about Israel's cosmopolitan liberal democratic educated enlightened scientifically advanced economically prosperous society do you?

Brutal theocracy - check

7th century mindset - check

Nukes - check

Seems like Isreal ticks all the boxes.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

You know nothing about Israel's cosmopolitan liberal democratic educated enlightened scientifically advanced economically prosperous society do you?

The one that runs an apartheid style system in the areas its colonising?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Sticking your hands over your ears and screaming "la la la la la" does not change the reality of the Iranian theocracy.

They have an apocalyptic world view about a future cosmic war between the infidel and Islam.

They welcome rather than fear nuclear war.

Who is 'they' ? you can't pigeon hole the views of a whole nation as 'they' and expect to be taken seriously.

JRant

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Sticking your hands over your ears and screaming "la la la la la" does not change the reality of the Iranian theocracy.

They have an apocalyptic world view about a future cosmic war between the infidel and Islam.

They welcome rather than fear nuclear war.

Where as you have an apocalyptic world view about a hypothetical nuclear war. Between a country with nukes that refuses to sign the nonproliferation treaty and one that hasn't got a single one.
Now who's really the aggressor in this situation?

Sand

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

How could there be anything worse than a brutal theocracy with a 7th century mindset armed with nuclear weapons?

So to prevent Iran getting nukes, you would be willing to see Israel turned into a sea of glass?

Because there could be nothing worse than Iran with nukes, right?

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

Who is 'they' ? you can't pigeon hole the views of a whole nation as 'they' and expect to be taken seriously.

Iranian is an ultra theocracy. The "They" I am talking about are the Ayatollah and his inner circle who really run the country. The opinions of ordinary Iranians count for nothing. They are either brainwashed or intimidated into line. The Ayatollah and his inner circle actually believe in their apocalyptic theology which is driving them to seek nuclear weapons and ultimately nuclear war with Israel and America. They must be stopped.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Iranian is an ultra theocracy. The "They" I am talking about are the Ayatollah and his inner circle who really run the country. The opinions of ordinary Iranians count for nothing. They are either brainwashed or intimidated into line. The Ayatollah and his inner circle actually believe in their apocalyptic theology which is driving them to seek nuclear weapons and ultimately nuclear war with Israel and America. They must be stopped.

I think you are losing the plot and I say that as a lifelong supporter of Israel .

Gringo180

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Iranian is an ultra theocracy. The "They" I am talking about are the Ayatollah and his inner circle who really run the country. The opinions of ordinary Iranians count for nothing. They are either brainwashed or intimidated into line. The Ayatollah and his inner circle actually believe in their apocalyptic theology which is driving them to seek nuclear weapons and ultimately nuclear war with Israel and America. They must be stopped.

Where is your proof of this? If anything its Israel and Nathenyahu who are the aggressors and have been in every conflict in the region in the last few decades.

DavidRamsay99

JRant wrote: »

Where as you have an apocalyptic world view about a hypothetical nuclear war. Between a country with nukes that refuses to sign the nonproliferation treaty and one that hasn't got a single one.
Now who's really the aggressor in this situation?

European Jews are almost totally exterminated in World War 2. Israel was almost destroyed in 1948, 1967 and 1973 by overwhelming Arab forces but somehow survived. If they had lost any of those wars the Jews in Israel would have been massacred to the last man woman and child. The aim of the Palestinians and indeed the wider Arab world is to one day conquer Israel and kill all the Jews not just in Israel but worldwide. Iran shares the same aim.
Israel's nuclear weapons exist because without them they would be overwhelmed.

The threat of Iran is an existential threat because of the apocalyptic worldview of Iran who seek to destroy Israel once they get nuclear weapons.

The reason Europeans condemn Israel is because they also must contend with large numbers of Muslim extremists that seek to ultimately transform Europe into part of the global Islamic Empire. European publics believe that if the Israelis are made to bend to the Palestinians it will buy themselves time before the inevitable explosion.

The 9/11 attacks, the 7/7 bombing, the Charlie Hebdo attack, the Madrid bombing and other heinous terrorist attacks have not yet woken up Europeans that they face an Israel/Palestine style conflict in Europe within their own borders. The Israel/Palestine conflict is the model of the future in Europe as Europeans fight to prevent a Muslim conquest of their proud civilization.

Eugene Norman

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Iranian is an ultra theocracy. The "They" I am talking about are the Ayatollah and his inner circle who really run the country. The opinions of ordinary Iranians count for nothing. They are either brainwashed or intimidated into line. The Ayatollah and his inner circle actually believe in their apocalyptic theology which is driving them to seek nuclear weapons and ultimately nuclear war with Israel and America. They must be stopped.

No they don't. They are largely rational actors unlike the crazies in the racist sectarian state to their West. And they don't have a bomb. And if they did have a bomb they wouldn't use it. Because it would end in annihilation for them.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

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The 9/11 attacks, the 7/7 bombing, the Charlie Hebdo attack, the Madrid bombing and other heinous terrorist attacks have not yet woken up Europeans that they face an Israel/Palestine style conflict in Europe within their own borders. The Israel/Palestine conflict is the model of the future in Europe as Europeans fight to prevent a Muslim conquest of their proud civilization.

Who is colonising who in Western Europe that would evoke such a comparison?

DavidRamsay99

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No they don't. They are largely rational actors unlike the crazies in the racist sectarian state to their West. And they don't have a bomb. And if they did have a bomb they wouldn't use it. Because it would end in annihilation for them.

The Iranian elite believe their actions will herald the return of the hidden Imam and the final apocalyptic war between the infidels and the Muslims. They believe they will go to paradise and the infidels will all go to hell. Since the world will be destroyed at the end of time anyway it makes no difference to them if there is a nuclear war and millions of Muslims are wiped out.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Iranian elite believe their actions will herald the return of the hidden Imam and the final apocalyptic war between the infidels and the Muslims. They believe they will go to paradise and the infidels will all go to hell. Since the world will be destroyed at the end of time anyway it makes no difference to them if there is a nuclear war and millions of Muslims are wiped out.

I would remind you it is not Jim Jones running the country. Nearly 80 million people in what is one of the oldest civilisations in the world have no intention of drinking the Kool-Aid no matter what the leadership might say.

I'd worry a lot more about Pakistan than Iran to be honest with you.

DavidRamsay99

Nodin wrote: »

Who is colonising who in Western Europe that would evoke such a comparison?

The ideology of the Palestinians is the same as that of ISIS.
The only difference is the degree of their extremism.
However they all believe in the ultimate defeat of Israel and the mass murder of all the Jews and the establishment of the global Caliphate.
Extremist Muslims who say that Islam with conquer Europe genuinely believe it.
The problem with liberals is that they are dumbfounded that in the 21st century there are people in their midst who have this brutal primitive mindset and are terrified.
Rather than fight them and defeat them they think they can pretend the problem does not exist.
Israel and the Jews refuse to be slaughtered and this angers the Europeans because they fear they too will have to roll up their sleeves and fight for the very survival.
The appeasement of Muslims such as the complete inaction of Rotherham council to stop organized child sex abuse by Muslim gangs because they feared being labelled as Islamophobes is typical of a wider European phenomenon.
The same fear and appeasement of domestic Islam is writ large on the international stage by fear and appeasement of international Islamic threats.
The psychology of avoiding confrontation at all costs and retreating on all fronts is emboldening terrorists and rogue states like Iran who seek nuclear arms.

johnnyskeleton

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Iranian elite believe their actions will herald the return of the hidden Imam and the final apocalyptic war between the infidels and the Muslims. They believe they will go to paradise and the infidels will all go to hell. Since the world will be destroyed at the end of time anyway it makes no difference to them if there is a nuclear war and millions of Muslims are wiped out.

Do you have a source for this? Sounds a little conspiracy theory?

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

I would remind you it is not Jim Jones running the country. Nearly 80 million people in what is one of the oldest civilisations in the world have no intention of drinking the Kool-Aid no matter what the leadership might say.

I'd worry a lot more about Pakistan than Iran to be honest with you.

I worry about Pakistan too because Sunni Pakistan who have nuclear arms would be as likely to use nuclear weapons against a nuclear armed Shia Iran as they would be to attack Hindu India.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

I worry about Pakistan too because Sunni Pakistan who have nuclear arms would be as likely to use nuclear weapons against a nuclear armed Shia Iran as they would be to attack Hindu India.

So should we bomb them too ?

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The ideology of the Palestinians is the same as that of ISIS..

No, nor is there any evidence for this.



Now, if I might ask again, what state is colonising where in Western Europe to evoke a comparison with the Israel/Palestinian conflict?

AtomicHorror

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The 9/11 attacks, the 7/7 bombing, the Charlie Hebdo attack, the Madrid bombing and other heinous terrorist attacks have not yet woken up Europeans that they face an Israel/Palestine style conflict in Europe within their own borders. The Israel/Palestine conflict is the model of the future in Europe as Europeans fight to prevent a Muslim conquest of their proud civilization.

If I get the gist of your argument, liberal appeasement has lead to the growing strength of Islamic extremism?

But since the September 11th attacks, the west has been pretty much continuously engaged in wars somewhere in the middle east, specifically against Islamic extremists. The "appeasement" has involved a surprising amount of torture and legally questionable imprisonment. And since the west started this curious kind of appeasement, the frequency of terrorist attacks in the west has increased, we've witnessed the exponential growth of Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS and various other extremist groups.

Maybe I'm just confused about your argument, or maybe you are. It's definitely confusing, for sure.

Ardillaun

It's a bit hard to take Bibi seriously on this issue when he is sitting on a massive clandestine nuclear arsenal himself. And no politician in America apart from Ron Paul is prepared to point out this rather inconvenient truth.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

So should we bomb them too ?

If Pakistan is taken over by a militantly Islamic regime there could very well be a regional nuclear conflict between Pakistan, India and Iran and possibly Saudi Arabia who would unquestionably seek nuclear arms if Iran got the bomb.

DavidRamsay99

Ardillaun wrote: »

It's a bit hard to take Bibi seriously on this issue when he is sitting on a massive clandestine nuclear arsenal himself. And nobody in America apart from Ron Paul is prepared to point out this rather inconvenient truth.

If Israel did not have nuclear arms it would have been eventually invaded by Syria and Egypt. That is the only reason there has not between a repeat of the 1967 and 1973 wars

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Pakistan is taken over by a militantly Islamic regime there could very well be a regional nuclear conflict between Pakistan, India and Iran and possibly Saudi Arabia who would unquestionably seek nuclear arms if Iran got the bomb.

So do you think we should bomb them now just in case such a regime does take over ?

AtomicHorror

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The ideology of the Palestinians is the same as that of ISIS.

Palestine are salafists now? When did that happen?

ISIS are prioritising murdering Muslims who oppose them ahead of pretty much everyone. We hear more about their executions of westerners, but they've killed many more Muslims in just as horrible ways. If they ever cross the border into Israel, it'll be the Palestinians they kill first, because that is what is dictated by salafist jihadism. Hamas are apostates, and apostates die first. The Israelis and the westerners can wait.

johnnyskeleton

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Israel did not have nuclear arms it would have been eventually invaded by Syria and Egypt. That is the only reason there has not between a repeat of the 1967 and 1973 wars

Not because of their other military strength, American arms and alliance, peaceful trade agreements between Israel and Egypt, a general desire to avoid full scale war on either side etc?

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Israel did not have nuclear arms it would have been eventually invaded by Syria and Egypt. That is the only reason there has not between a repeat of the 1967 and 1973 wars

If you would be good enough to get back to me on this question?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94537004&postcount=78

Ardillaun

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Israel did not have nuclear arms it would have been eventually invaded by Syria and Egypt. That is the only reason there has not between a repeat of the 1967 and 1973 wars

But Israel had nukes in 1973.

That's not the point. You shouldn't condemn another country for doing what you have already done. That is grossly hypocritical and lacks any credibility.

DavidRamsay99

AtomicHorror wrote: »

If I get the gist of your argument, liberal appeasement has lead to the growing strength of Islamic extremism?

But since the September 11th attacks, the west has been pretty much continuously engaged in wars somewhere in the middle east, specifically against Islamic extremists. The "appeasement" has involved a surprising amount of torture and legally questionable imprisonment. And since the west started this curious kind of appeasement, the frequency of terrorist attacks in the west has increased, we've witnessed the exponential growth of Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS and various other extremist groups.

Maybe I'm just confused about your argument, or maybe you are. It's definitely confusing, for sure.

Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq giving a victory to Islamic extremists and emboldening Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Boko Haram and the Taliban who with good reason believe that Western publics have no stomach for war and are not prepared to sacrifice their young people. The upsurge in terrorist attacks in Europe since the rise of ISIS by lone wolf terrorists is because extremists believe Western publics have no stomach to defend democracy and freedom.

And they are right judging by the posters on this thread and other threads who play down the threat of ISIS, play down the threat of Iran and who blame their own governments and blames the Israelis and the Jews for the actions of Islamic extremists and accuse those who are trying to wake them up to reality of being "Islamophobes."

We witnessed the same phenomenon when the Czechs pleaded in vain with the League of Nations to stand up to Hitler and the Nazis and were shouted down by the British and French who soon found themselves in the same position a few short years later.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq giving a victory to Islamic extremists and emboldening Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Boko Haram and the Taliban who with good reason believe that Western publics have no stomach for war and are not prepared to sacrifice their young people. The upsurge in terrorist attacks in Europe since the rise of ISIS by lone wolf terrorists is because extremists believe Western publics have no stomach to defend democracy and freedom.

And they are right judging by the posters on this thread and other threads who play down the threat of ISIS, play down the threat of Iran and who blame their own governments and blames the Israelis and the Jews for the actions of Islamic extremists and accuse those who are trying to wake them up to reality of being "Islamophobes."

We witnessed the same phenomenon when the Czechs pleaded in vain with the League of Nations to stand up to Hitler and the Nazis and were shouted down by the British and French who soon found themselves in the same position a few short years later.

The West has been at war in the Middle East for over 20 years at this stage , how you can equate that with appeasement is beyond me.

Ardillaun

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq giving a victory to Islamic extremists....

We witnessed the same phenomenon when the Czechs pleaded in vain with the League of Nations to stand up to Hitler and the Nazis and were shouted down by the British and French who soon found themselves in the same position a few short years later.

ISIS are a bunch of wackos without a proper army. They scare me far less than Putin.

This 'we must resist appeasement' thing really has to be laid to rest. It's a recipe for endless war.

Carlos Orange

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

You know nothing about Israel's cosmopolitan liberal democratic educated enlightened scientifically advanced economically prosperous society do you?

You seem to know a lot about Israel. Is it true that it is impossible for non religious people to get married in Israel? Iirc they have to get married in a different country and then that marriage is recognised in Israel. Doesn't sound very liberal or cosmopolitan.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

So should we bomb them too ?

If a nuclear armed Pakistan become a threat to world peace, in particular if a radical Islamic extremism government took over, then military action would be needed to take out their nuclear sites.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

The West has been at war in the Middle East for over 20 years at this stage , how you can equate that with appeasement is beyond me.

Obama was elected on an appeasement ticket. Pull out the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and magically the war on terror would end. Well that didn't work did it?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If a nuclear armed Pakistan become a threat to world peace, in particular if a radical Islamic extremism government took over, then military action would be needed to take out their nuclear sites.

Should we bomb Russia do you think ? Surely the biggest threat to world peace right now .

DavidRamsay99

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Palestine are salafists now? When did that happen?

ISIS are prioritising murdering Muslims who oppose them ahead of pretty much everyone. We hear more about their executions of westerners, but they've killed many more Muslims in just as horrible ways. If they ever cross the border into Israel, it'll be the Palestinians they kill first, because that is what is dictated by salafist jihadism. Hamas are apostates, and apostates die first. The Israelis and the westerners can wait.

But ultimately they believe in the triumph of the Islamic Caliphate over the entire globe and the mass murder of all the Jews. They differ about going about it much like the SS and SA differed on their version of Nazism and the Stalinists and Trotskyists differ on their version of Communism.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

Should we bomb Russia do you think ? Surely the biggest threat to world peace right now .

If Russia continue to threaten Eastern Europe and if they move further into Ukraine or make a move on the Baltic nations there could very well be war.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Obama was elected on an appeasement ticket. Pull out the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and magically the war on terror would end. Well that didn't work did it?

They was nothing magical about it , the damage had already been done and couldn't be undone .And it was pointless continuing to waste lives. Now we just have to outlast the consequences of those catastrophic wars.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

They was nothing magical about it , the damage had already been done and couldn't be undone .And it was pointless continuing to waste lives. Now we just have to outlast the consequences of those catastrophic wars.

The Iraq War was won by General Petreus's Surge. When Obama became President he withdrew all US troops and the collapse of the Iraqi Army and the rise of ISIS was all too predictable.

Bush predicted the consequences of a pullout with precision:

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Russia continue to threaten Eastern Europe and if they move further into Ukraine or make a move on the Baltic nations there could very well be war.

So let me get this right , you are advocating that we bomb Iran Pakistan and Russia ? Should we do it all at once or is that too much ?

If the nutjobs running Egypt fall (as they surely will ) should we bomb them also ?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Iraq War was won by General Petreus's Surge. When Obama became President he withdrew all US troops and the collapse of the Iraqi Army and the rise of ISIS was all too predictable.

Bush predicted the consequences of a pullout with precision:

This Iraq war could never be won , learn from De Gaulle in Algeria

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

So let me get this right , you are advocating that we bomb Iran Pakistan and Russia ? Should we do it all at once or is that too much ?

If the nutjobs running Egypt fall (as they surely will ) should we bomb them also ?

Do you want Islamic nutjobs in Iran to have nukes?
Do you want Russia to regain control of Eastern Europe?
Do you want nuclear armed Pakistan to be taken over by a radical Islamic government?
Do you want the Sisi government in Egypt to lose control to the Muslim Brotherhood?

If so do you want Europe and America and the western civilized world to be threatened all sides by violent and brutal regimes prepared to spread chaos throughout the entire globe?

Or do you think something should be done about it?

Or to put it another way.

Freedom or Slavery?