Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/3

Lithium93_

The league is out of the question this season (obviously), next season is a different story.

The Moldy Gowl

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The league is out of the question this season (obviously), next season is a different story.

If we win all our matches and Chelsea and arsenal lose their matches by a load of goals and they draw against each other we could win.

I just hate clickbait articles, which that is, by using the word could it gives too much artistic license and turns into an opinion piece. I would much rather read Bangkok preferring Valencia over Fellaini.

Maximus Alexander

paulbok wrote: »

I still think it's dependant on United getting CL football. The deal is probably all agreed and sitting on his coffee table. Once 4th is mathamatically sown up, he'll sign. If we don't make the top 4, then it may well be adios. Idon't think he'll stay for Europa football.

A win aginst Everton will really put one hand on 4th place. assuming Liverpool win on Sat and their game in hand, they would still be 5 behind with 4 games to go ( 6 really with the current +17 better goal difference).

Here's hoping you're right. He seems too happy at the club to really want to leave, even the little things like him pre-emptively losing his sh*t when he thought Rooney scored at the weekend. But, ultimately, that could all mean nothing.

Maximus Alexander

adox wrote: »

Smalling is a better CB than Rojo IMO. In fact I prefer Rojo at LB.

At the start of the season I didn't have much love for Smalling. Not that I had anything against him, but I always felt a little nervous with him in the line up.

This has changed. I like him a lot.

On a tangentially related note - McNair needs a loan, but the more I see of him the more I think he could be a serious talent in the future.

Polo_Mint

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If we win all our matches and Chelsea and arsenal lose their matches by a load of goals and they draw against each other we could win.

I just hate clickbait articles, which that is, by using the word could it gives too much artistic license and turns into an opinion piece. I would much rather read Bangkok preferring Valencia over Fellaini.

Yep, seen today we are offering £48m for Hummels... who comes up this these numbers

Kirby

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Here's hoping you're right. He seems too happy at the club to really want to leave, even the little things like him pre-emptively losing his sh*t when he thought Rooney scored at the weekend. But, ultimately, that could all mean nothing.

I also did that once as a kid in the game. Was fairly tough to live down, even the parents were slagging me. :P It must be a goalkeeper thing, wanting to feel like you are involved when you haven't touched the ball in twenty minutes.

Maximus Alexander

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Just back from my holidays, in Thailand.

Backstreet Moyes

Liam O wrote: »

And yet the worst goal conceded to minute ratio has been with Smalling on the field.

Yet if you watched United this season it's clear to see Smalling has been by far our best defender.

RobertKK

From a German publication...

Easily the most modern defender at Löw's disposal, Hummels could probably try his hand at playing midfield for the right team. The Dortmund defender is comfortable on the ball, boasts an excellent eye for a long pass, and loves to bound forward whenever the opportunity arises. He started out as a striker in Bayern Munich's youth academy. Sometimes, these traits can turn a defender into a liability, but Hummels is the perfect fit as part of Löw's new, bulky back four comprising essentially a quartet of central defenders.

http://www.dw.de/how-the-hummels-hole-nearly-sank-germany/a-17748100

I don't care if people think what I am posting is crazy. I am simply going by what I see when I watch Hummels play.
I think he would be better than Carrick, just my opinion so it doesn't matter.

Pro. F

Liam O wrote: »

And yet the worst goal conceded to minute ratio has been with Smalling on the field.

Source?

bucketybuck

RobertKK wrote: »

From a German publication...



http://www.dw.de/how-the-hummels-hole-nearly-sank-germany/a-17748100

I don't care if people think what I am posting is crazy. I am simply going by what I see when I watch Hummels play.
I think he would be better than Carrick, just my opinion so it doesn't matter.

What is the point of that quote? Some journalist says that Hummels probably could play midfield? So what? Thats meaningless.

Remember, plenty of pundits thought that Rooney could play midfield too.

The Moldy Gowl

RobertKK wrote: »

From a German publication...



http://www.dw.de/how-the-hummels-hole-nearly-sank-germany/a-17748100

I don't care if people think what I am posting is crazy. I am simply going by what I see when I watch Hummels play.
I think he would be better than Carrick, just my opinion so it doesn't matter.

Agree with you. Gives the front 4/5 the space to attack without having to panic about defending if the dm was good at defending.
Gives a really strong base to start attacks. We have plenty of creativity and Attacking philosophy in di Maria/mata/Rooney/Ander/Fellaini/Rooney.

Liam O

Pro. F wrote: »

Source?

From the FPL website.

Smalling has been on the field for 1435 mins and United have conceded 18 goals in that time. This does (rightly) include the goal in the City game after his sending off.

Jones on the field for 1606 minutes and 16 goals.

Rojo on the field for 1600 minutes and 19 goals.

Evans on the field for 1039 and 6 goals.

Liam O

Nuts102 wrote: »

Yet if you watched United this season it's clear to see Smalling has been by far our best defender.

Well I disagree. I still think he's out of position far too much and especially in the first half of the season was the worst of all them.

Headshot

Lads Im watching Barca at the moment and I hate to see utd playing like them

Thats what I love about utd at the moment. Its a enjoy to watch. I think the last time I enjoyed watching utd was when Ronaldo was there. The counter attacking soccer was unreal

The_Kew_Tour

We have been a joy to watch since Spurs and we have improved since Sunderland/Newcastle games.

blackwave

FC United who were set up by anti Glazer United fans 10 years ago have just been promoted to the conference North this evening and according to the BBC Salford City FC will be taking their place in the the Evo Stik league. Great to see both clubs do well!

Pro. F

Liam O wrote: »

From the FPL website.

Smalling has been on the field for 1435 mins and United have conceded 18 goals in that time. This does (rightly) include the goal in the City game after his sending off.

Jones on the field for 1606 minutes and 16 goals.

Rojo on the field for 1600 minutes and 19 goals.

Evans on the field for 1039 and 6 goals.

I don't know what website you're talking about. I can't see those stats on premierleague.com.

I think it is a really poor way of judging the defenders. Considering how many variables there are affecting those numbers, the sample size and variation are pretty tiny.

The_Kew_Tour

blackwave wrote: »

FC United who were set up by anti Glazer United fans 10 years ago have just been promoted to the conference North this evening and according to the BBC Salford City FC will be taking their place in the the Evo Stik league. Great to see both clubs do well!

Fancy them to get promoted next season too. Have bright future.

Whatsisname

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590624700583301120

Manutd_4life

Whatsisname wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590624700583301120

was just about to post that. Next season should be great.

Rayne Wooney

Whatsisname wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590624700583301120

PhlegmyMoses

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'd be a damn sight more comfortable with Evans playing than Paddy McNair or Tyler Blackett.

Why the big rush to get rid of people anyway? Its only four days since a raft of defensive injuries messed up our plans for Chelsea, haven't we learned the value of good squad players? Sign some first choice defenders and keep the likes of Evans/Jones, everybody wins!

ETA: Spending tens of millions on a CB so we can play him in midfield would just be ****ing stupid.

I'm advocating buying two CBs this summer. Which would mean 2 new CBs, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Evans, Blackett, McNair. Even with one CB bought, we would almost certainly see one go out. If it's two, it's a lock. If I had to choose one to go out of the current lot, it'd be Evans. Smalling is the best, Rojo's season has been stop start so the jury is out and Jones is still young and developing. Evans loses out here for me.

Headshot

Thats why im a big LVG fan.

Vic Vinegar

Whatsisname wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590624700583301120

What a guy!

ShaneU

You know he was joking right? He said that after listing all the players a fan wanted him to sign. full video here http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2015/Apr/video-louis-van-gaal-and-players-meet-fans-at-the-manchester-united-dream-day.aspx

Kirby

Context matters it seems.

Nalz

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't know what website you're talking about. I can't see those stats on premierleague.com.

I think it is a really poor way of judging the defenders. Considering how many variables there are affecting those numbers, the sample size and variation are pretty tiny.

Yes it's bollix! He's been decent this year.

Hola amigos from Madrid! Working on bringing Ronnie back to us if Real lose tomorrow.

Whatsisname

Who needs context? we're gonna win the league!!

Manutd_4life

ShaneU wrote: »

You know he was joking right? He said that after listing all the players a fan wanted him to sign. full video here http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2015/Apr/video-louis-van-gaal-and-players-meet-fans-at-the-manchester-united-dream-day.aspx

such a nice video. LVG is such a lad (when in the right mood)

Liam McPoyle

Dunno if its been mentioned but on this day 16 years ago one of the greatest comebacks Ive ever seen happened.


Goosebump City

Business Cat

Business Cat wrote: »

Dunno if its been mentioned but on this day 16 years ago one of the greatest comebacks Ive ever seen happened.


Goosebump City

1999 wasn't 16 years ago shutup! :mad: I'm not old...

Whatsisname

I was only 4, didn't stop me from giving out stink to my mam for letting me sleep through it though :pac:

J. Marston

https://twitter.com/JoeyMUFC_/status/590602864076132354

homerjay2005

here is the video of the LVG interview.


https://twitter.com/abhashmufc/status/590640254643736576

he has been told to sign Clyne, Hummels, Pogba and Martinez..:)

Liam O

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't know what website you're talking about. I can't see those stats on premierleague.com.

I think it is a really poor way of judging the defenders. Considering how many variables there are affecting those numbers, the sample size and variation are pretty tiny.

The fantasy premier league website, handy for things like that.

I'm aware it doesn't tell the whole story and the difference between Rojo, Smalling and Jones is negligible but it does show that Evans has a clearr positive effect on the amount of goals conceded imo when there is such a disparity between the numbers. United haven't conceded more than 1 goal in a PL game with Evans on the pitch this season. He's not played much with his early season injury but it shows that people have been harsh on him. A lot of the mistakes people go on about with him are because he tries to do too much because he has confidence on the ball which is excusable when the team is so all over the place and less fluid.

Rayne Wooney

Looks like 6 names

homerjay2005

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Looks like 6 names

apparently Depay is on the list and LVG never mentioned it.

Julez

homerjay2005 wrote: »

apparently Depay is on the list and LVG never mentioned it.

So we're not signing the rest?

Liam O

Julez wrote: »

So we're not signing the rest?

Given the numbers talked about (some were pretty conservative too) that would be a good thing.

thelad95

Julez wrote: »

So we're not signing the rest?

Or else we're signing the rest but not Depay... which isn't so bad :P

Maximus Alexander

Whatsisname wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590624700583301120

The best part is, when he says that I completely believe him.

Maximus Alexander

ShaneU wrote: »

You know he was joking right? He said that after listing all the players a fan wanted him to sign. full video here http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2015/Apr/video-louis-van-gaal-and-players-meet-fans-at-the-manchester-united-dream-day.aspx

He meant what he said. :cool:

Vic Vinegar

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590636604265476096

Hococop

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/590636604265476096

Seems a bit low compared to reported figures, would love if we got him for that,

More than likely this is a bs rumor

Liam O

Hococop wrote: »

Seems a bit low compared to reported figures, would love if we got him for that,

More than likely this is a bs rumor

It doesn't look so low when you consider it's about €30m, not much less than what Goetse went for a couple of years ago.

Lukker-

Liam O wrote: »

It doesn't look so low when you consider it's about €30m, not much less than what Goetse went for a couple of years ago.

Goetze had a release clause though. Hummels doesn't. But very true on the exchange rate, English clubs have a very favourable exchange rate when buying European players now but I still reckon most English clubs will pay over market value players because well their English and best league in the world and all that.

UnitedIrishman

Liam O wrote: »

Well I disagree. I still think he's out of position far too much and especially in the first half of the season was the worst of all them.

Your opinion of a center half goes out the window with your constant defence of Jonny Evans to be fair.

Liam O

Lukker- wrote: »

Goetze had a release clause though. Hummels doesn't. But very true on the exchange rate, English clubs have a very favourable exchange rate when buying European players now but I still reckon most English clubs will pay over market value players because well their English and best league in the world and all that.

True, I've always liked Hummels but he's been garbage since the WC and even in that he wasn't astoundingly good after some dodgy moments at the end of last season in big matches. I'm not sure he's the best use of that kind of money, especially at the age he is at. I guess you are getting a somewhat proven quantity but someone younger would be preferable. My worry is LVG knows he'll only be around for a few years and just wants a quick fix to the current problems.

Lukker-

Liam O wrote: »

True, I've always liked Hummels but he's been garbage since the WC and even in that he wasn't astoundingly good after some dodgy moments at the end of last season in big matches. I'm not sure he's the best use of that kind of money, especially at the age he is at. I guess you are getting a somewhat proven quantity but someone younger would be preferable. My worry is LVG knows he'll only be around for a few years and just wants a quick fix to the current problems.

Hummels is only 26?

I think experience is key for a defender, especially when the rest of the back line is very young. I think United more then anything need an experienced leader. United can definitely afford to sign an older player without resale value so why not? It'd make ye genuine title challengers. Hummels wouldn't be my choice either, mainly due to cost and risk.

If I was LVG I'd go for someone older, either Miranda or Godin who are both older but could be got for substantially less.

The dream signings would be Varane or Marquinhos but there is zero chance either of those can be got. Elite CB's are hard to come by these days.