Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/3

bangkok

irishfeen wrote: »

Various reports too about Di Maria to PSG .. I presume we are all taking it as absolutely bullshíte??

I wouldn't, they wanted him last season, he wanted to go, FFP stopped the deal going ahead so he joined UTD. If FFP allows the deal to go ahead this summer and he has always been their no1 target, no reason why they wont bid on him again. After that its up to the club what they want to do, but if PSG bid 55m and di maria wanted to leave there is no way United will refuse that offer

Maximus Alexander

irishfeen wrote: »

Various reports too about Di Maria to PSG .. I presume we are all taking it as absolutely bullshíte??

I'll literally eat a hat if he goes anywhere this summer.

Mitch Connor

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'll literally eat a hat if he goes anywhere this summer.

bookmarked

TheDoc

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hummels is linked from all sides so must have legs to it at this stage.
Not sure I want him though.He is good but not sure if he is that good. Maybe im being harsh I have only seen him few times this season.

Not sure where the harshness is coming from to be honest with him. Yeah he has had a bit of a rough season for Dortmund, but hardly his fault, the entire squad has been decimated with injury and he was playing alongside debutants for portions of the season, along with the general struggle they have been having.

He is a classy CB. He was one of that German group that pretty much stole the show in South Africa, and has gone on from strength to strength. At 26 his best years are ahead of him.

I think it's a bit misleading about his pace and how that would be a problem. Laurent Blanc came here in his twilight years and was tremendous, Stam was like the titanic turning but was sensational. The league is and has been littered with good CB's who arn't quick. Ferdinand displayed in his final years how his pace covered up his glaring brain farts and issues with reading the game.

Hummels, defensively, reads the game wonderfully and I think he would be a tremendous addition to our defense.

Liam O

I wouldn't like to see it, but if it was for the 60m that was paid for him it would make sense and that money could be reinvested into the CB everyone wants and most of all the RB everyone wants. A link with Coentrao stinks of LVG still thinking 3-5-2 is the way to go if there's any truth to it and that would make me a lot more unhappy than any individual leaving.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Not sure where the harshness is coming from to be honest with him. Yeah he has had a bit of a rough season for Dortmund, but hardly his fault, the entire squad has been decimated with injury and he was playing alongside debutants for portions of the season, along with the general struggle they have been having.

He is a classy CB. He was one of that German group that pretty much stole the show in South Africa, and has gone on from strength to strength. At 26 his best years are ahead of him.

I think it's a bit misleading about his pace and how that would be a problem. Laurent Blanc came here in his twilight years and was tremendous, Stam was like the titanic turning but was sensational. The league is and has been littered with good CB's who arn't quick. Ferdinand displayed in his final years how his pace covered up his glaring brain farts and issues with reading the game.

Hummels, defensively, reads the game wonderfully and I think he would be a tremendous addition to our defense.

I presume you mean the other way around??

Nalz

irishfeen wrote: »

Various reports too about Di Maria to PSG .. I presume we are all taking it as absolutely bullshíte??

At a guess, how much of the "reports" you read or hear are legit? 50%? 60%? 70%? 80%? 90%? 91.4%? 99.99%?

In the world of twittermania, where ex footballers tell the world the phone number of their ex girlfriends current luva and there's more crappy links than in a cheap rip off watch shop... there's no point in reading into rumours.

Its minus craic imo

Lucas Hood

TheDoc wrote: »

Not sure where the harshness is coming from to be honest with him. Yeah he has had a bit of a rough season for Dortmund, but hardly his fault, the entire squad has been decimated with injury and he was playing alongside debutants for portions of the season, along with the general struggle they have been having.

He is a classy CB. He was one of that German group that pretty much stole the show in South Africa, and has gone on from strength to strength. At 26 his best years are ahead of him.

I think it's a bit misleading about his pace and how that would be a problem. Laurent Blanc came here in his twilight years and was tremendous, Stam was like the titanic turning but was sensational. The league is and has been littered with good CB's who arn't quick. Ferdinand displayed in his final years how his pace covered up his glaring brain farts and issues with reading the game.

Hummels, defensively, reads the game wonderfully and I think he would be a tremendous addition to our defense.

Hummels didn't go to the 2010 world cup so I do not know where you are getting this from.


I love him I think he'd be great for us.

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

Not sure where the harshness is coming from to be honest with him. Yeah he has had a bit of a rough season for Dortmund, but hardly his fault, the entire squad has been decimated with injury and he was playing alongside debutants for portions of the season, along with the general struggle they have been having.

He is a classy CB. He was one of that German group that pretty much stole the show in South Africa, and has gone on from strength to strength. At 26 his best years are ahead of him.

I think it's a bit misleading about his pace and how that would be a problem. Laurent Blanc came here in his twilight years and was tremendous, Stam was like the titanic turning but was sensational. The league is and has been littered with good CB's who arn't quick. Ferdinand displayed in his final years how his pace covered up his glaring brain farts and issues with reading the game.

Hummels, defensively, reads the game wonderfully and I think he would be a tremendous addition to our defense.

Blanc was far from tremendous.
Stam was very quick (if not quick at turning, can't remember) Straight line speed was very quick.
Rio's reading of the game and positional sense was superb, hence the lack of slide tackles or fouls.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

I presume you mean the other way around??

Nope, I always felt his pace covered up some glaring concentration and positional issues, that were exposed blatantly in the latter part of his career. Perfectly summed up against City, where Dzeko barely made a jink and Ferdinand lost him over two yards.

An extreme example at the end, but I remember frequently rolling my eyes and being critical of Ferdinand's errors when he started to become a more reserved player.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Nope, I always felt his pace covered up some glaring concentration and positional issues, that were exposed blatantly in the latter part of his career. Perfectly summed up against City, where Dzeko barely made a jink and Ferdinand lost him over two yards.

An extreme example at the end, but I remember frequently rolling my eyes and being critical of Ferdinand's errors when he started to become a more reserved player.

his pace got slower as he got older, your reading of the game never goes. I think your memory might be playing tricks on you.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/nov/01/rio-ferdinand-sir-alex-ferguson

that was 2011

TheDoc

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Hummels didn't go to the 2010 world cup so I do not know where you are getting this from.


I love him I think he'd be great for us.

Sorry sorry, meant Euros. I always associate him with that new German look team, but forget he came into the fray the tournament after.

keane2097

Blanc was terrible for a lot of the time he was at United. Don't think Hummels is anywhere near as slow as made out though.

Trond

Saying Stam was like the Titanic turning is a bit much tbf. Reminds of Dunphy slating him after his first few matches.

Stam was a world class defender end of story. Blanc certainly wasn't although he did have world class experience which aided all of our younger defenders at the time.

We could easily say worse about Vidic. He was caught out a lot more than Stam ever was by pacy strikers turning him.

TheDoc

I'm not saying any of them WEREN'T excellent. I was just making the point that too many people are tunnel visioning on Hummels "perceived" lack of pace, and I was trying to outline how we had some excellent defenders who didn't have immense pace, either at the tail end of their career or to begin with. Even that is exaggerated. He was carrying a knock throughout the entire World Cup, with Germany playing a VERY high line which obviously got exposed. But he is plenty fast when he needs too.

In short, would love him at the club

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm not saying any of them WEREN'T excellent. I was just making the point that too many people are tunnel visioning on Hummels "perceived" lack of pace. Even that is exaggerated. He was carrying a knock throughout the entire World Cup, with Germany playing a VERY high line which obviously got exposed. But he is plenty fast when he needs too.

In short, would love him at the club

I agree with this - but I disagree with you about Rio, Stam and Blanc, whcih did kind of put your entire post into question for me!

Whatsisname

TheDoc wrote: »

I havn't seen any of Dybala, but seen plenty of Vietto. I can only go on second hand information but so many quarters saying Dybala is the hotter prospect, which is ridiculous considering the break through season Vietto has had.

Although significant risk, both players having their breakthrough season. Vietto has a fixed clause which isn't break the bank (in the 20's) while I believe I read the Palermo president saying that Dybala will most likely leave, but for not a penny below €40m.

Money most likely isn't a problem, but I'm sure someone in the upper echelons will say "hold on a minute" after spunking €30m on Shaw who has been extremely poor and riddled with injury, and already speculation that Van Gaal wants someone more established in as his first choice LB. Was pretty obvious the lack of trust in Shaw the last few months.

If what I believe does come to pass, a 4-3-3, that means one striker. I'm resigned to Falcao leaving, but I think RVP will stay in a more reserved role with Rooney as number 1. That doesn't provide a lot of prospects for any incoming striker, unless Rooney is shunted out right to accomodate.

I'm certain that Depay will be joining. Too much admission from PSV that he will leave from management and executive, and with a tentative value of the mid 20's(m) he's incredible value for a young player Van Gaal has close ties with, and was spot on with his recommended development path.

I'd actually be surprised if we signed a striker truth be told, unless Van Persie was going also. I don't see Van Gaal playing two up top long term, and think there will only be one spot.

In relation to this, there were reports yesterday or possibly the day before that LVG sees Depay as someone who can play on either wing OR as a second striker. So Depay could be covering 2 positions almost. Although it kinda reminds me of Di Maria up front because of his pace, but Depay does have a better eye for goal so. I'm 100% convinced he's joining too, fairly confident Hummels is aswell and have been for months. Very exciting summer ahead.

bangkok

yea if we qualify for champions league I can see us signing 4 players at least. Hummels, Depay, ??? and some world class striker or potential world class striker

Rayne Wooney

You have to wonder who people rate as defenders if they aren't convinced by Hummels

He is at least in the top 5 in the world imo and at that I struggle to name a centre back who is clearly better

Pace is not needed if you compensate in other areas like reading the game well, and it's not like he's immobile

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

yea if we qualify for champions league I can see us signing 4 players at least. Hummels, Depay, ??? and some world class striker or potential world class striker

Hmmm and a midfielder, who do you think would be a top class striker?

LeeJM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You have to wonder who people rate as defenders if they aren't convinced by Hummels

He is at least in the top 5 in the world imo and at that I struggle to name a centre back who is clearly better

Pace is not needed if you compensate in other areas like reading the game well, and it's not like he's immobile

Isn't he a forward? :pac: Yea Hummels is defo top 5 in the world and at age 26 hes coming into what most call the peak age for a CB. Most definitely should be a target this summer

Headshot

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You have to wonder who people rate as defenders if they aren't convinced by Hummels

He is at least in the top 5 in the world imo and at that I struggle to name a centre back who is clearly better

Pace is not needed if you compensate in other areas like reading the game well, and it's not like he's immobile

In todays game, there's not a great quantity/quality of defenders. Its easy for Hummels to get into the top 5 because there's such a lack of top quality defenders.

I would rather Varane all day long tbh. Im not knocking Hummels but I just have serious doubts about him. It doesnt help that he has also been awful this season too.

RasTa

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/diegocora_ESPN/status/582649993372119040

Backstreet Moyes

Headshot wrote: »

In todays game, there's not a great quantity/quality of defenders. Its easy for Hummels to get into the top 5 because there's such a lack of top quality defenders.

I would rather Varane all day long tbh. Im not knocking Hummels but I just have serious doubts about him. It doesnt help that he has also been awful this season too.

So because the standard is not as high as previous we shouldn't want a top 5 defender in the world???


We are not going to get Varane in fact name any realistic cb better than Hummels we can get.

A world class defender has a dip in form and you have doubts, i have doubts watching the average defenders we have taking to the field.

callaway92

irishfeen wrote: »

Various reports too about Di Maria to PSG .. I presume we are all taking it as absolutely bullshíte??

That's interesting actually.

A French student that studies over here was saying this to me about two months ago seemingly convinced it's going to happen.

Also Falcao to Valencia looks to be the way he'll be going according to him.

Could be spoofing though.

#15

Stam was not slow during his Utd days.

jayo26

#15 wrote: »

Stam was not slow during his Utd days.

He wasn't even called stam as far as rte were concerned he was japp stum

Manutd_4life

spain vs holland or england vs italy


hmmmm

Korat

The summer has come early.

This is what it's like without Champions League football.

I'm starting to understand the restless babblings of some friends at this time of year now.

Sack them all if I have to go through this again next year.

Lord TSC

http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=germany-bundesliga-2000000019/news/newsid/258/091/0/index.html


Ooooooh yes.

Mantis Toboggan

Jones starting in centre midfield for the English tonight. Interesting to see how he gets on.

KH25

Johnny kills wrote: »

Jones starting in centre midfield for the English tonight. Interesting to see how he gets on.

Jones gets messed about positionally too much. He really needs to just play in defence.

jayo26

KH25 wrote: »

Jones gets messed about positionally too much. He really needs to just play in defence.

Its not as if they are short on midfielders if they ain't playing him cb he should be rested.

Copper_pipe

Robbed from reddit

How much milk can the current Manchester United Manager Drink ?

About Van Gaalon.

Mantis Toboggan

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Robbed from reddit

How much milk can the current Manchester United Manager Drink ?

About Van Gaalon.

That is truly woeful

Trond

KH25 wrote: »

Jones gets messed about positionally too much. He really needs to just play in defence.

He did very well in the role against Madrid as far I recall. (I do agree with you though)

KH25

Trond wrote: »

He did very well in the role against Madrid as far I recall. (I do agree with you though)

He did and that's the problem. He can do a solid job in midfield, especially if he's there to just do a job on someone (maybe Veratti tonight?). His versatility is bad for him in terms of developing as a defender.

jayo26

Trond wrote: »

He did very well in the role against Madrid as far I recall. (I do agree with you though)

He will do well tonight too that is a terrible looking Italian team

collie0708

Fellaini scored again for Belgium let's hope he gets back to us in one piece

GavRedKing

collie0708 wrote: »

Fellaini scored again for Belgium let's hope he gets back to us in one piece

Clattenberg is the ref, 3 yellows handed out already.

Israel lucky to be only 1 down too

Mars Bar

Clyne is looking pretty rubbish in the England game at the moment

Harvey Low Fat Milk

Smalling coming off injured, hopefully it's not too serious.

UnitedIrishman

Harvey Low Fat Milk wrote: »

Smalling coming off injured, hopefully it's not too serious.

Looks like it could be a concussion. That'd be him out for the weekend if that's the case. Will have to wait until after the game.

Kerrydude1981

collie0708 wrote: »

Fellaini scored again for Belgium let's hope he gets back to us in one piece

Ya in one piece and hopefully bring his international goal scoring form into the Villa game.

Korat

Evans, Jones and Smalling in exchange for Hummels is a better deal this summer than it was last.

Maximus Alexander

Lord TSC wrote: »

http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=germany-bundesliga-2000000019/news/newsid/258/091/0/index.html


Ooooooh yes.

It's done then.

Couldn't be a clearer case of "must begin enamouring myself to the fans".

Lord TSC

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's done then.

Couldn't be a clearer case of "must begin enamouring myself to the fans".

Apparently he has since come out and denied the quote

jayo26

Korat wrote: »

Evans, Jones and Smalling in exchange for Hummels is a better deal this summer than it was last.

Ohh yes what a sensible comment brilliant first class mate.

Maximus Alexander

Lord TSC wrote: »

Apparently he has since come out and denied the quote

Crap. I knew I shouldn't have broken my "United don't buy Germans" stance. I ruined it. Sorry guys.

Lord TSC

I see Spain lost? De Gea letting in two goals? Ugh, rubbish player, Spain should take note and just write him off now.


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