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Another Company Discriminates Against Gays

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    #812
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    bjork wrote: »
    ....and then go to cork on my holidays but I´m discriminated against because of sexual orientation left right and center :(

    Cork?


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    #813
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Cork?
    This sauna thing deserves a thread of it's own. I really want to know what happened to Bjork in Cork


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    #814
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Cork?

    Yes :( Just to cork
    http://www.gaywelcome.com/gay-only-guesthouse-cork-ireland-h2474.html


    I hear Castletownbere is lovely
    http://www.purpleroofs.com/bellatrix-ire.html :(



    obligatory sad faces :(:(:(


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    #815
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'd like you to expand on what those ways are. The only difference is in who you want to bump uglies with.

    I didn't use the word "difference" in my post. I said that being gay can influence a person's behaviour, and the existence of a community for people who are gay is evidence of this fact.

    Clearly who they bump uglies with isn't the only way in which a person's behaviour is influenced (and that's not taking account of the fact that just because a person is gay means they're only going to bump uglies with people of the same sex either).


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    #816
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Akrasia wrote: »
    This sauna thing deserves a thread of it's own. I really want to know what happened to Bjork in Cork

    Nothing yet..I haven´t got there


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    #817
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    bjork wrote: »
    Yes :( Just to cork
    http://www.gaywelcome.com/gay-only-guesthouse-cork-ireland-h2474.html


    I hear Castletownbere is lovely
    http://www.purpleroofs.com/bellatrix-ire.html :(



    obligatory sad faces :(:(:(



    You should start a thread.


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    #818
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    You should start a thread.

    Will you donate?


    Sorry, I thought you said fund!

    If you want to go ahead and start the "Get Bjork to Cork" Campaign work ahead, I´ll think about the thread


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    #819
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    You're condoning discrimination that contributes to depression and suicidal ideation in LGBT community. Fighting for the right to exercise the discrimination is not going to help the situation, believe whatever you want behind closed doors. But don't reject custom because of bigoted views.


    Should I instead condone discrimination that contributes to depression and suicidal ideation in the religious community?

    I'd rather people weren't prejudiced against another person for any reason tbh, as any form of prejudice and discrimination contributes to depression and suicidal ideation in society.

    Believe whatever you want at any time, but don't express bigoted views towards anyone, for any reason. How does that sound?

    It'd be a much fairer and more equal society if people considered that other people are entitled to the same dignity and respect that they would like for themselves, and treated other people with that same dignity and respect that they feel they are entitled to. It may not always work out the way we want, but does that mean we should stop trying, and instead allow our own prejudices to influence how we treat other people?


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    #820
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    I was thinking, why did the gay bloke have to go to the news stations with this? Why not simply say "Ok, I'll go somewhere else with this then" and avoid the hassle for everyone involved. Why did he have to drag the company's name through the mud and assemble the moral brigade to attack the business?

    Reading the facebook page of the printers is a trip.


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    #821
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    Are you saying the market shouldn't dictate whether this business succeeds or fails?


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    #822
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    Are you saying the market shouldn't dictate whether this business succeeds or fails?
    Not talking the market, I'm talking about an individual


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    #823
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    You know what I mean. And my point still stands. Why shouldn't this be brought to the attention of the public so they can decide if they want to do business there?


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    #824
    BlaasForRafa
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I didn't use the word "difference" in my post. I said that being gay can influence a person's behaviour, and the existence of a community for people who are gay is evidence of this fact.

    In what ways?


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    #825
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    Why shouldn't this be brought to the attention of the public so they can decide if they want to do business there?
    Because most of the outrage stems from the fact that it is "illegal" according to anti-discrimination laws. If those laws didn't exist I doubt it would have gotten so much attention. This would have been a dispute between a customer + a business and nothing else

    Also, because people want to feel good about themselves so by spamming the big mean Christian printing company with tweets + facebook comments about how evil they are they'll have done their good deed of the day (lol).


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    #826
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    You know what I mean. And my point still stands. Why shouldn't this be brought to the attention of the public so they can decide if they want to do business there?
    This. Forget all the nonsense about discrimination laws. This is how the situation should be resolved. I haven't looked at the social media pages but I'd imagine the business is getting a good amount of criticism. Good! And until they change their policy and recognise that this is 2015, let their business suffer.


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    #827
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    In what ways?


    Asked and answered -

    eviltwin wrote: »
    How does being gay influence your behaviour?
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    In an infinite number of ways. Surely that would be obvious given that we're discussing the right for people who are gay to marry another person of the same sex rather than force them to accept that they can only marry a person of the opposite sex?
    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'd like you to expand on what those ways are. The only difference is in who you want to bump uglies with.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I didn't use the word "difference" in my post. I said that being gay can influence a person's behaviour, and the existence of a community for people who are gay is evidence of this fact.

    Clearly who they bump uglies with isn't the only way in which a person's behaviour is influenced (and that's not taking account of the fact that just because a person is gay means they're only going to bump uglies with people of the same sex either).


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    #828
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Because most of the outrage stems from the fact that it is "illegal" according to anti-discrimination laws. If those laws didn't exist I doubt it would have gotten so much attention. This would have been a dispute between a customer + a business and nothing else.

    Also, because people want to feel good about themselves so by spamming the big mean Christian printing company with tweets + facebook comments about how evil they are they'll have done their good deed of the day (lol).
    Thankfully we live in an age of social media and more and more liberal religious belief, where people are entitled to hold any belief they like, just as others are able to challenge and criticise those beliefs. This could be a real success story as long as it stays away from the courts imo.


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    #829
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    K4t wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in an age of social media and more and more liberal religious belief, where people are entitled to hold any belief they like, just as others are able to challenge and criticise those beliefs. This could be a real success story as long as it stays away from the courts imo.
    No they aren't. We have laws against free speech already, e.g blasphemy law, anti-discrimination laws etc.


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    #830
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Because most of the outrage stems from the fact that it is "illegal" according to anti-discrimination laws. If those laws didn't exist I doubt it would have gotten so much attention. This would have been a dispute between a customer + a business and nothing else

    Or, maybe, they'd still bring it into the public eye because it's an awful thing to be discriminated against. People were speaking out long before these laws were in place because by their own morals they determined that others shouldn't be discriminated against.


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    #831
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    The guy who removed the cape toppers from the display did not break the law. Yet due to a campaign him and some of his staff had to leave their jobs because of abuse directed at them.


    has anyone been charged under the Prohibition of Incitement To Hatred Act, 1989?


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    #832
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Clandestine wrote: »
    No they aren't. We have laws against free speech already, e.g blasphemy law, anti-discrimination laws etc.
    The blasphemy law is ridiculous and has no place in a modern society. Anti discrimination laws do not apply in public life and should not apply in the situation with the printer imo, even though I disagree with his beliefs. He didn't discriminate against the gay guy because he is gay.


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    #833
    darkpagandeath
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    bjork wrote: »
    The guy who removed the cape toppers from the display did not break the law. Yet due to a campaign him and some of his staff had to leave their jobs because of abuse directed at them.


    has anyone been charged under the Prohibition of Incitement To Hatred Act, 1989?

    Nope social media has a lot to answer for.


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    #834
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Because most of the outrage stems from the fact that it is "illegal" according to anti-discrimination laws. If those laws didn't exist I doubt it would have gotten so much attention. This would have been a dispute between a customer + a business and nothing else

    Also, because people want to feel good about themselves so by spamming the big mean Christian printing company with tweets + facebook comments about how evil they are they'll have done their good deed of the day (lol).

    So according to your interpretation of how the 'customer' should behave when faced with active discrimination

    * they should walk away and find another printer somewhere
    * they should not say anything to anybody or make any comment on their treatment
    * they should not take any legal action despite the fact that such discrimination is illegal

    Seriously ?

    Why are you placing the entire onus for the customer targeted for being gay and refused service by printers?

    What exactly does this achieve? Except to allow the perpetrators get away actively discriminating against customers and enabled to do it again to others


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    #835
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    So according to your interpretation of how the 'customer' should behave when faced with active discrimination

    * they should walk away and find another printer somewhere
    * they should not say anything to anybody or make any comment on their treatment
    * they should not take any legal action despite the fact that such discrimination is illegal

    Seriously ?

    Why are you placing the entire onus for the customer targeted for being gay and refused service by printers?

    What exactly does this achieve? Except to allow the perpetrators get away actively discriminating against customers and enabled to do it again to others

    Eh ? Thought the customer target the printer for his business not the other way around.


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    #836
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Should I instead condone discrimination that contributes to depression and suicidal ideation in the religious community?

    I'd rather people weren't prejudiced against another person for any reason tbh, as any form of prejudice and discrimination contributes to depression and suicidal ideation in society.

    Believe whatever you want at any time, but don't express bigoted views towards anyone, for any reason. How does that sound?

    It'd be a much fairer and more equal society if people considered that other people are entitled to the same dignity and respect that they would like for themselves, and treated other people with that same dignity and respect that they feel they are entitled to. It may not always work out the way we want, but does that mean we should stop trying, and instead allow our own prejudices to influence how we treat other people?

    Can you prove the bolded statement is anywhere near being a serious issue? Being required to operate a business within the law,not refusing customers for skin colour, sexual orientation and even religion etc seems pretty fair.


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    #837
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Nope social media has a lot to answer for.

    Good article about trial by social media here if you're interested:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html


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    #838
    MadDog76
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Its normally a pretty safe assumption to make that those opposed to gay marriage are religious, because there aren't really any obvious non religious reasons why anyone would oppose it.

    I'm not gonna guess what your reasons are, do you mind telling me?

    That'll be that paranoia I referred to in a previous post ......... you know, a lot of people make assumptions about the Gay Community, it's called stereotyping.


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    #839
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Its normally a pretty safe assumption to make that those opposed to gay marriage are religious, because there aren't really any obvious non religious reasons why anyone would oppose it.

    I'm not gonna guess what your reasons are, do you mind telling me?

    It might be biology...........







    .......but that´s none of my business


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    #840
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    gozunda wrote: »
    What exactly does this achieve? Except to allow the perpetrators get away actively discriminating against customers and enabled to do it again to others
    Whats wrong with that? A business should be allowed to discriminate if they wish.

    I'm not saying I'd support any business that would (in fact, I think the company in this case handled this terribly) but a business is like a home - an owner should be allowed to refuse admission or service on private property.


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    #841
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Eh ? Thought the customer target the printer for his business not the other way around.

    So when you go to Tesco for your shopping you 'target' them do you?

    Personally I go to a shop / business to buy or order something

    Doesn't mean I should crawl away with my tail between my legs if I get poor service / faulty goods or heaven forbid discriminated against :rolleyes:


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