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Another Company Discriminates Against Gays

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    #1322
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    That's 'your' hair splitting btw
    Are you an expert on legal process?
    Hilarious

    Are you ? Does one have to be to take part in an online debate ?


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    #1323
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    reprise wrote: »
    And seeing as that didn't happen here, there was no discrimination. Nobody gets same sex marriage invitations.


    There is no such thing as 'same sex marriage invitations'

    It's a card with people's names on it.
    Oh and do stick to the real issues - it was a civil union - not a 'marriage'

    Tsk the lengths some will go to to try and prove black is White :rolleyes:


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    #1324
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    gozunda wrote: »
    There is no such thing as 'same sex marriage invitations'

    .....

    Well that settles that nicely


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    #1325
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Are you ? Does one have to be to take part in an online debate ?


    darkpagandeath I never claimed I was - you said
    darkpagandeath wrote:
    Hair splitting is the core of the legal process.

    You so are assuming in depth knowledge of the legal process - that makes you an 'expert' no?


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    #1326
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    There is no such thing as 'same sex marriage invitations'

    It's a card with people's names on it.
    Oh and do stick to the real issues - it was a civil union - not a 'marriage'

    Tsk the lengths some will go to to try and prove black is White :rolleyes:

    If only real legal cases were so cut and dry.


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    #1327
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    "An invite is an invite" is your own personal opinion but many would not (including the printers in this case) share that opinion ...........

    For the benefit of those who genuinely don't agree then do describe how a 'gay invite card looks different to any other 'invite'?


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    #1328
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    darkpagandeath I never claimed I was - you said



    You so are assuming in depth knowledge of the legal process - that makes you an 'expert' no?

    No more than the people shouting discrimination. And using their interpretations. And tbh lets get back the the case. Legally standing there will probably be interpretation on the service offered and the document requested.


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    #1329
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    gozunda wrote: »
    For the benefit of those who genuinely don't agree then do describe how a 'gay invite card looks different to any other 'invite'?

    Its got more glitter on it.


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    #1330
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    For the benefit of those who genuinely don't agree then do describe how a 'gay invite card looks different to any other 'invite'?

    That's why we have lawyers and judges and courts for all this.


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    #1331
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    gozunda wrote: »
    There is no such thing as 'same sex marriage invitations'

    It's a card with people's names on it.
    Oh and do stick to the real issues - it was a civil union - not a 'marriage'

    Tsk the lengths some will go to to try and prove black is White :rolleyes:

    Jonathan Brennan (one half of the gay couple in question) has referred to them as "my wedding invitations" ..............

    http://www.thejournal.ie/drogheda-printers-gay-invitations-1975045-Mar2015/


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    #1332
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    gozunda wrote: »
    There is no such thing as 'same sex marriage invitations'

    It's a card with people's names on it.

    Not for me to disagree with the experts:

    http://www.lovevsdesign.com/stationery-etiquette/wedding-guide/invitation-wording/same-sex-union
    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh and do stick to the real issues - it was a civil union - not a 'marriage'

    I'm sorry. Were they looking for "civil union" invitation cards, How on earth did I miss that?

    Any chance of a link?
    gozunda wrote: »
    Tsk the lengths some will go to to try and prove black is White :rolleyes:

    :o


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    #1333
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Eh ? I'm on the devils advocates side. I have not immediately found the company guilty of breaking the law without the day in court.

    So are you not flaming the issue?

    You said
    Darkpagandeath wrote:
    Nope that's not what has happened here at all, First port of call was papers and social media for a witch hunt. Then comment's about may take a legal rout. That's what most level headed sensible people take exception to. No legal process just trial by social media, I have no idea why people don't think this is wrong.

    gozunda wrote:
    So why are you engaging in something you think is wrong?

    You are busily engaged in further 'devil advocating' the issue on social media (ie this forum") something you have stated you believe to be wrong :eek:

    No does not compute.


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    #1334
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    gozunda wrote: »
    For the benefit of those who genuinely don't agree then do describe how a 'gay invite card looks different to any other 'invite'?

    Having never seen one up close I'd be only guessing but ......... pink paper with glittery lettering???
    Ask a silly question and you will receive a silly answer :rolleyes:


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    #1335
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    So are you not flaming the issue?

    You said






    You are busily engaged in further 'devil advocating' the issue on social media (ie this forum") something you have stated you believe to be wrong :eek:

    No does not compute.

    Trying to shut down discussion via attacking the poster is pretty low, Is this the level of debate left. Again all this will come down to the "Gay couple" proving discrimination has taken place. And not the social media it's discrimination because they said it is argument. ;)


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    #1336
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Trying to shut down discussion via attacking the poster is pretty low, Is this the level of debate left. Again all this will come down to the "Gay couple" proving discrimination has taken place. And not the social media it's discrimination because they said it is argument. ;)


    Nice try but if you can't back up what you are saying then don't expect people to ignore the flaws in your arguments.


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    #1337
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No more than the people shouting discrimination. And using their interpretations. And tbh lets get back the the case. Legally standing there will probably be interpretation on the service offered and the document requested.

    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    If only real legal cases were so cut and dry.

    So please answer - are you legal expert or r not?

    I would presume from the above statements you are. If so then I will attatch a little more credence to your statements.


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    #1338
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    So please answer - are you legal expert or r not?

    I would presume from the above statements you are. If so then I will attatch a little more credence to your statements.

    Nice try, Again does one have to be a legal professional to take part in this debate ? If they did it would have a lot better arguments than "They said it's discrimination" but meh. Again this is why we have courts. And a legal process.


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    #1339
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    reprise wrote: »
    Not for me to disagree with the experts:

    http://www.lovevsdesign.com/stationery-etiquette/wedding-guide/invitation-wording/same-sex-union

    They look like any old invites to me. Don't see how they are 'gay'
    I'm sorry. Were they looking for "civil union" invitation cards, How on earth did I miss that?

    Any chance of a link?

    Yes here

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gay-couple-infuriated-and-shocked-at-printers-refusal-to-make-civil-ceremony-invitations-31043312.html


    You've been arguing and opionating all this time and you don't know what the issue is - brillant :D


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    #1340
    Badly Drunk Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    It was the material that the printers disagreed with, not actually because he was gay, although you may say that there's no difference.. They have refused other types of material too. And we don't know exactly what they wanted printed.
    (The printer) added they have also refused request to print materials that promote binge drinking, Halloween, "borderline pornography" and what he described as "the dark arts".
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31753375


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    #1341
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    gozunda wrote: »
    So please answer - are you legal expert or r not?

    I would presume from the above statements you are. If so then I will attatch a little more credence to your statements.

    MOD

    Gozunda,

    darkpagandeath's legal qualifications (or lack of) are not the topic of discussion. Discuss the issue at hand or don't bother posting.


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    #1342
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    That's why we have lawyers and judges and courts for all this.

    You need a lawyer and judge to decide an invite is 'gay'? :pac:


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    #1343
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    You need a lawyer and judge to decide an invite is 'gay'? :pac:

    Nope but you do if you are trying to prove discrimination. :D


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    #1344
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well of course not But If a poster is is giving 'legal' statements then most individuals would presume the writer has some legal expertise. Otherwise Can't take such statements seriously

    I have no idea why other people would assume anyone giving an opinion on this would be a legal professional.


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    #1345
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Having never seen one up close I'd be only guessing but ......... pink paper with glittery lettering???
    Ask a silly question and you will receive a silly answer :rolleyes:

    Now I believe that's referered to as stereotyping. Are you stereotyping gay people?


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    #1346
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    gozunda wrote: »
    Now I believe that's referered to as stereotyping. Are you stereotyping gay people?

    Surely it's stereotyping to say that people wishing to enter in to a civil partnership are homosexuals?


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    #1347
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Jonathan Brennan (one half of the gay couple in question) has referred to them as "my wedding invitations" ..............

    http://www.thejournal.ie/drogheda-printers-gay-invitations-1975045-Mar2015/

    But there are no "gay weddings" as of yet - that's what the referendums about.


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    #1348
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    gozunda wrote: »
    They look like any old invites to me. Don't see how they are 'gay'



    Yes here

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gay-couple-infuriated-and-shocked-at-printers-refusal-to-make-civil-ceremony-invitations-31043312.html


    You've been arguing and opionating all this time and you don't know what the issue is - brillant :D

    Here's another article

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0305/684830-wedding-invitations-beulah-print/

    and if I may quote:

    Beulah Print
    A spokesperson for Beulah Print said "we are not against homosexuals however, we do not support same sex marriage, which printing wedding invitations would do".

    The reporter:
    He asked the company to print the wedding invitations.

    And directly quoting Mr. Brennan:
    How offensive that they are linking a wedding invitation to a pornographic image. I couldn't get over it.

    Finally, if you look really carefully at the card they are holding in this photo - it appears to also have that w word on it which perhaps decides the issue.


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    #1349
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    reprise wrote: »
    Here's another article

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0305/684830-wedding-invitations-beulah-print/

    and if I may quote:

    Beulah Print



    The reporter:



    And directly quoting Mr. Brennan:



    Finally, if you look really carefully at the card they are holding in this photo - it appears to also have that w word on it which perhaps decides the issue.

    But there are no 'gay' weddings in ireland. That's what's the referendum is about. The couple were having a civil union. Capice.


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    #1350
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    gozunda wrote: »
    But there are no 'gay' weddings in ireland. That's what's the referendum is about. The couple were having a civil union. Capice.

    So why were they looking for wedding invitations?


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    #1351
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    bjork wrote: »
    Surely it's stereotyping to say that people wishing to enter in to a civil partnership are homosexuals?


    They are - where?

    But yes civil partnerships were set up for same sex unions
    Civil partnership and same-sex couples
    A statutory civil partnership registration scheme for same-sex couples has been setup under the Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/civil_partnerships/


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