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Another Company Discriminates Against Gays

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    #212
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Wansee conference was far from the work of a religion. Palestinian/Israeli issue is a land question. But do not let the facts get in the way of your points.
    Understood, though my point still stands.


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    #213
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I can relate (in some small way) to this statement ........ I have worked along side both male & female homosexuals and got along great with them (not because they are gay but because they were nice easy to get along with people) .......... I have socialised with both male & female homosexuals and would consider them friends (not because they are gay but because they are nice friendly people) ............ I will be voting No in the referendum because I do not believe that same-sex marriages should be performed in a Catholic Church.
    The referendum has nothing to do with forcing the catholic church to marry gay people


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    #214
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    nokia69 wrote: »
    its not their sexuality thats the problem

    its the invites they want him to make

    he should have the right to tell them no if he wants

    Oh not that sh1te again ...

    "It wasn't the customer - it was de cake" ffs
    He doesn't 'have' the right. This kind of twisted logic contravenes anti discrimination law - thankfully.

    Start prosecuting these bigots asap imo.


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    #215
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Cody montana wrote: »
    What other rights shouldn't they have?
    What has marriage got to do with adoption rights?

    As I said I'll leave that discussion for another thread ........ this thread is about this particular printer refusing to print material he didn't comfortable associating himself or his business with


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    #216
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    As I said I'll leave that discussion for another thread ........ this thread is about this particular printer refusing to print material he didn't comfortable associating himself or his business with

    You brought it up.
    "I'm friends with loads of gay people, no seriously I am, one of them even came to a party in my house once but".....:rolleyes:


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    #217
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Mack Jolly Storybook wrote: »
    why is it always "gay rights"?

    Does no one else have any rights? Has a business not got a right to sell what it wants? Has a heterosexual not got a right to believe what they want?
    It seems the answer is No

    Don't be silly. There are tonnes of regulations that dictate what businesses can and can't sell.


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    #218
    Specialun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh not that sh1te again ...

    "It wasn't the customer - it was de cake" ffs
    He doesn't 'have' the right. This kind of twisted logic contravenes anti discrimination law - thankfully.

    Start prosecuting these bigots asap imo.

    Yes your right, best ignore the facts and round up the mob...


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    #219
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    stimpson wrote: »
    SSM has nothing to do with adoption. That will be legal before the referendum: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gay-adoption-law-due-before-same-sex-marriage-referendum-1.2073215

    So now will you vote yes?

    "Irish adoption law currently only allows for applications to adopt children by married couples or single applicants. It is therefore not possible for a gay couple to jointly apply to adopt, but a single gay person or one partner of a couple may apply."

    Are you really going to use this thread to somehow convince me to vote the way you want me to vote!?! :D

    Leave it alone .......


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    #220
    Mint Aero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    "Genuinely curious"


    Patronising internet speak for... "I'M RIGHT YOU BETTER GOD DAMN ANSWER THE WAY I EXPECT."


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    #221
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Cody montana wrote: »
    You brought it up.
    "I'm friends with loads of gay people, no seriously I am, one of them even came to a party in my house once but".....:rolleyes:

    I'm actually friends with people ......... some of them happen to be gay, a fact which neither I or they are hung up on as their sexuality is irrelevant in our friendship. :)


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    #222
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    "Irish adoption law currently only allows for applications to adopt children by married couples or single applicants. It is therefore not possible for a gay couple to jointly apply to adopt, but a single gay person or one partner of a couple may apply."

    Are you really going to use this thread to somehow convince me to vote the way you want me to vote!?! :D

    Leave it alone .......

    This entire thread is about one group of people (Christians) thinking that another group of people (gay people) are less human than they are. Gay people are not worthy of marriage, or gay people are not good enough to raise children...

    You can dance around this issue all you like. The holier than thou attitude is obvious for everyone who isn't already blinded by ignorant prejudice


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    #223
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I can relate (in some small way) to this statement ........ I have worked along side both male & female homosexuals and got along great with them (not because they are gay but because they were nice easy to get along with people) .......... I have socialised with both male & female homosexuals and would consider them friends (not because they are gay but because they are nice friendly people) ............ I will be voting No in the referendum because I do not believe that same-sex marriages should be performed in a Catholic Church.

    You should probably learn what it is you're voting for/against before voting....


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    #224
    lazygal
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I'm actually friends with people ......... some of them happen to be gay, a fact which neither I or they are hung up on as their sexuality is irrelevant in our friendship. :)

    How will they feel when they find out you're voting no because you don't think they should be allowed to get married in a civil ceremony?


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    #225
    Akrasia
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I'm actually friends with people ......... some of them happen to be gay, a fact which neither I or they are hung up on as their sexuality is irrelevant in our friendship. :)

    But you wouldn't trust them with your children, or to have children of their own


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    #226
    Cody montana
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I'm actually friends with people ......... some of them happen to be gay, a fact which neither I or they are hung up on as their sexuality is irrelevant in our friendship. :)

    And why would you vote no in the referendum so?


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    #227
    Shrap
    Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Any why would you vote no in the referendum so?

    He doesn't think they should be parents, it seems. Great friends with them, clearly :pac:


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    #228
    Real Life
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    His first mistake was going to a printers to get invitations designed


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    #229
    bjork
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    Shrap wrote: »
    He doesn't think they should be parents, it seems. Great friends with them, clearly :pac:

    MadDog is mother nature<<<Doxxing of the century right there. Get sky news on the phone!


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    #230
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Would it be discrimination though if a straight person went in to get gay wedding invites done for a friend and was refused?

    Yes because that person is acting as an agent for the persons gay wedding. This is covered by the legislation.

    The law wasnt written by eejits


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    #231
    stimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭stimpson


    MadDog76 wrote: »

    Are you really going to use this thread to somehow convince me to vote the way you want me to vote!?! :D

    Leave it alone .......

    I just want to ensure you're informed before you go to vote. The two issues you put forward will not be affected by SSM.


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    #232
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    NO, he refused to print material. He printed material for the Gay customer for 4 years previously. He refused to print material he found questionable. And I don't think this would get very far into the legal process. Hence all over social media.

    No - from the news report it is evident that the printer had no idea the guy was gay. When he found out he then decided to be a dick and discrimate against the customer.

    It's remarkable really, Irish society gives the impression it is inclusive until you scratch the surface, then the smell hits you ...


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    #233
    MadDog76
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    This entire thread is about one group of people (Christians) thinking that another group of people (gay people) are less human than they are. Gay people are not worthy of marriage, or gay people are not good enough to raise children...

    You can dance around this issue all you like. The holier than thou attitude is obvious for everyone who isn't already blinded by ignorant prejudice

    I'm an atheist .........


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    #234
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    lazygal wrote: »
    How will they feel when they find out you're voting no because you don't think they should be allowed to get married in a civil ceremony?

    They know how I'll be voting ......... their feelings and opinions on this fact vary as, despite some trying to lump them all into one unique group, they are all individuals.


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    #235
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Akrasia wrote: »
    But you wouldn't trust them with your children, or to have children of their own

    You are quite the stereotype aren't ya!! :D

    I never said I don't trust them with my children, in fact I have and do trust them implicitly ........ one issue has no bearing on the other.


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    #236
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    I hope the owners of this business are obeying all the rest of the stuff in Leviticus too

    If one of them gets a spot then they'll have to go to a priest or someone called Aaron and be examined
    13 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “When anyone has a swelling or a rash or a shiny spot on their skin that may be a defiling skin disease,[a] they must be brought to Aaron the priest or to one of his sons who is a priest. 3 The priest is to examine the sore on the skin, and if the hair in the sore has turned white and the sore appears to be more than skin deep, it is a defiling skin disease. When the priest examines that person, he shall pronounce them ceremonially unclean. 4 If the shiny spot on the skin is white but does not appear to be more than skin deep and the hair in it has not turned white, the priest is to isolate the affected person for seven days. 5 On the seventh day the priest is to examine them, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to isolate them for another seven days. 6 On the seventh day the priest is to examine them again, and if the sore has faded and has not spread in the skin, the priest shall pronounce them clean; it is only a rash. They must wash their clothes, and they will be clean. 7 But if the rash does spread in their skin after they have shown themselves to the priest to be pronounced clean, they must appear before the priest again. 8 The priest is to examine that person, and if the rash has spread in the skin, he shall pronounce them unclean; it is a defiling skin disease.

    No blood sausage
    10 “‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.[c] 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

    And no bacon of course, no full irish breakfasts for you mr Beulah printer!
    4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

    And whatever you do, don't sacrifice one of your children to Molek!!!
    21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

    I'm guessing that the printers won't do any work for Rob Halford of Judas Priest, he's gay AND he's a metal god!
    4 “‘Do not turn to idols or make metal gods for yourselves. I am the Lord your God.

    I hope they're making sure not to wear polyester/cotton blends
    “‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

    You can find even more of this mentalist crap at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2019&version=NIV

    So are the printers at Beulah consistent in their observance of the bible? Or are they being a la carte in how they use the bible to justify their bigotry?


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    #237
    Specialun
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    gozunda wrote: »
    No - from the news report it is evident that the printer had no idea the guy was gay. When he found out he then decided to be a dick and discrimate against the customer.

    It's remarkable really, Irish society gives the impression it is inclusive until you scratch the surface, then the smell hits you ...


    No thats not correct actually...god are you seeing what you want just bcoz you want to be outraged


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    #238
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    bjork wrote: »
    If only he had named his printers after something in the Bible to make his beliefs clear, like Beulah or somehting


    I thought that was a place in Lietrim or some where - isn't there a mine called Beulah mines?

    How many people have ever heard of half the places mentioned in the bible ffs?


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    #239
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    gozunda wrote: »
    I thought that was a place in Lietrim or some where - isn't there a mine called Beulah mines?

    How many people have ever heard of half the places mentioned in the bible ffs?

    Ignorance is not a defence


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    #240
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It's only a matter of time ......... in any case I don't believe that same-sex couples should have the same legal rights as "normal" married couples .......... adoption rights for example ......... but I'll leave that there as I don't want to de-rail the specific topic this thread.

    Of course you don't. It doesn't surprise anyone I'm sure...


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    #241
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    bjork wrote: »
    Ignorance is not a defence

    Neither is discrimination....


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