The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Jolly Red Giant

Adamocovic wrote: »

Making a prediction that Chad Kelly will eventually be the backup QB at Denver next season and will see some snaps in regular season. Think Siemian could be gone, and see Denver trying to bring in a veteran over drafting (could be wrong). Obviously injuries and off field behaviour too ruined his draft stock, and he missed most of last season out injured but I just think he has a good skillset and more of a fight in him than Lynch or Siemian.

Feel free to laugh at me now.

Siemian is gone - Elway is trying to trade him for a 6th/7th as a back-up (and he is a decent back-up). He would be kept in Denver if it weren't for Lynch - nobody will trade for Lynch because he is a dope and he would cost $4.5million in dead cap to cut. Elway will go all out to sign Cousins - if he fails he will draft a QB. The pick will be Rosen if he falls to 1.5 or Mayfield if he doesn't.

Kelly is actually intriguing and one of the more intriguing QBs drafted in years - he is far, far more talented than Osweiler, Lynch or Siemian. Mike Maylock had him graded as a late first round, early second round pick if it weren't for the injuries and the fact that he was a nut case while in college. He regarded him as at least comparable with Deshaun Watson.

When Kelly was in high-school he was suspended as a freshman and kicked off the football team as a sophomore. In 2014 he was kicked off the Clemson team for 'conduct detrimental to the team'. while at Clemson Kelly got into fights with coaches on the sidelines and during practice. A few months later he started a fight with a bouncer at a bar - threatened to get an AK47 and shoot the place up and then got into a fight with the cops when they came to arrest him. The bar brawl and his conviction for disorderly conduct resulted in him being banned from the combine - and he was also banned from attending the NFL draft. After he was banned from the combine a former porn star mocked him - she had previously accused him of being a sex pest for constantly asking her on twitter to facetime him.

In Oct 2016 Kelly was attending a high-school game where his younger brother was playing QB - who took a late hit out of bounds. A scuffle broke out Kelly bolted out of the stand and jumped into the middle swinging all around him causing a mass brawl and leading to the game being suspended. His uncle Jim Kelly (former Buffalo QB) claimed that Casey Kelly was being kicked and punched on the ground and that is why Chad Kelly joined in.

On top of that Kelly tore his ACL in November 2016 as well as doing other damage to his knee and he underwent wrist surgery on his throwing hand last year. the combination of being a nut and the injuries caused him to plummet in the draft. It was always on the cards that the Broncos would red-shirt him when he was drafted.

Now the upside - Kelly spent two years at Ole Miss and was highly regarded by coaches for his talent, competitiveness and for keeping his head down and having a terrific work ethic. He has not got into any trouble since the fight at the game in Oct 2016.

His uncle is Jim Kelly - regarded by many as the most talented QB in the QB draft of 1983 which saw Elway, Tony Eason, Kelly, Ken O'Brien and Dan Marino all drafted in the first round. Jim Kelly was also a bit of a nut case but he had a terrific career over ten years with Buffalo. Jim Kelly's only son died at a young age and he spent a lot of time with Chad when he was growing up teaching him how to play QB. Jim Kelly claims that being constantly compared with him cause a lot of problems for Chad that took time to deal with. In terms of talent Jim Kelly claims that by the time he was 15 Chad had a stronger arm and was better at reading defences than Kelly was during his NFL career. Chad Kelly used to talk about spending several hours a day viewing video and stills - studying the defence and then challenging Jim as to who would be better at reading them. He talks about reading the defence was the thing he loved most and what drove him to play football.

Chad Kelly has the potential to be an NFL QB - if he is half the player Jim Kelly was he will be an NFL starter for a decade. There are two big questions around Kelly - has he recovered from the injuries (and they were serious) and has he sorted out his head and matured. Jim Kelly is adamant he has and told Elway such when they discussed drafting his nephew. He certainly has the talent - he certainly has the pedigree - he certainly has the potential - the question to be answered is will Chad Kelly fulfill his potential. Since last years draft Kelly has studied hard, worked hard on rehab and been a model pro for the Broncos. Hopefully it will pay off for both.

As Broncos fan - and an admirer of Jim Kelly when he played (he has always been my favourite QB - with Bernie Kosar a close second) - I would love to see Chad Kelly fulfill his potential and become a legitimate NFL starter for the Broncos. I am the eternal optimist when it comes to the Broncos - and am a lot more positive about Kelly than I have been about any QB the Broncos have drafted since Elway.

Hococop

Hococop wrote: »

Alshon Jeffrey had surgery on a torn rotary cuff, apparently he picked it up near the start at the season that is some feat to play the way he did over the season

Jesus how do you extend for that sb td with a rotator cuff injury in must have been a very minor tear

TOss Sweep

Broncos have gotten themselves a bargain if Kelly works out. Mr Irrelevant but bags of talent. Seems like a lot of reports saying he is back to full health over the last 24 hours and seen working out with Phil Sims. Without all the issues he would have gotten drafted higher and probably would have gone at least as high as the 2nd round.

mikemac2

Video going around of Josh Allen hitting the crossbar with a pass from the 50yd line while on his knees

That gives shudders to any Ravens fan as pre-draft Kyle Boller was raved about for doing the same thing. And both had low accuracy in college.

Picking Allen just scares me

“He’s got the big hands and all that — physically he looks like a big-time quarterback,”

Mel Kiper isn’t selling Allen to me here, is that even analysis

BonnieSituation

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Broncos have gotten themselves a bargain if Kelly works out. Mr Irrelevant but bags of talent. Seems like a lot of reports saying he is back to full health over the last 24 hours and seen working out with Phil Sims. Without all the issues he would have gotten drafted higher and probably would have gone at least as high as the 2nd round.

We live in hope. I've seen jns. Free places such commentary.

It will definitely make the tyre fire post-Manning worth it. Him as back up to Cousins... Mon.

Always Be Closing

How you guys rate Mahomes chances with the Chiefs?

Stud or dud?

Praying to god he won't be a bust

Billy86

I can't say either way, but personally feel it's a bit dangerous taking that good a qb out of that good of a tea for a guy with 35 career pass attempts.

Though the Chiefs have been really good these last few years at evaluating talent, so I think they deserve a bit of good faith on this one.

eagle eye

Andy Reid knows he has a good one or Alex Smith would still be there. I wasn't a real believer in his talent coming out of college but I think he will do well now after the Chiefs decided he will start for them next season.

Always Be Closing

Thanks guys

He's certainly got all manner of toys at his disposal with Hunt, Hill and Kelce - going to be super fun watching his next season

Foxtrol

Trade of Marcus Peters to the Rams in the final stage of talks according to Schefter. Hoped the 49ers would be in for him despite his issues but looks like he's going to a division rival

Always Be Closing

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trade of Marcus Peters to the Rams in the final stage of talks according to Schefter.

I just threw up in my month

Absolutely monumental **** up of a decision to let him go

I'm a f*cking raging

Hazys

Jonathon Martin the ex-Miami Dolphin who was bullied by Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey posted an extremely F'd up picture and message on Instagram which caused his former high school to close today.

He posted a picture of a shotgun and bullets with the message "When you’re a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide or revenge", he put the location as his HS and tagged, Incognito, Pouncey and 2 of his former HS classmates. Apparently he was bullied in HS too.

UPDATE: He was taken into custody

letowski

Always Be Closing wrote: »

I just threw up in my month

Absolutely monumental **** up of a decision to let him go

I'm a f*cking raging

It will be interesting to see what KC will get in return. The Rams don't have a second round pick in the draft. If KC get a first and something more it could be a good deal.

Foxtrol

Rams have a lot of guys who will be looking to get paid pretty soon.

Always Be Closing

My best guess is we simply knew we had no chance of signing him long-term. If he was asking to be paid 16, 17, even 18+ million a year, and with Tyreek Hill needing a new contract at the same time, perhaps we decided Hill is the better long-term bet. We can't pay everyone, especially with our cap situation as it is.


Basically the question is: Peters for two years + a possible 3rd round pick in 2020 vs Whatever we got back in this trade today (looking like a 1st round pick)+ some cap flexibility.

He's also locker room trouble, as he was at Washington, he's a gambler in that he'll give up a lot to get the glory of a pick 6. I think he got thrown out of 2 games last season, certainly v Oakland and one other. Plus we suspended him for a game IIRC?



Fuller is less flashy but he's a better all round corner imo. Depending on the comp we POSSIBLY didn't get weaker yet this off season

eagle eye

Good post, I'd agree with almost everything you say but I'd disagree that Fuller is even close to as good as him. I think it's a good move by the Chiefs for cap room and the locker room too. First round pick is nice too.

phatkev

comp picks for 2018

Always Be Closing

eagle eye wrote: »

Good post, I'd agree with almost everything you say but I'd disagree that Fuller is even close to as good as him. I think it's a good move by the Chiefs for cap room and the locker room too. First round pick is nice too.

You think we'll go for WR with the 1st round pick if we get it?

Paully D

The Chiefs trading Marcus Peters is one of the worst decisions in the modern day NFL.

Utter insanity.

phatkev

Paully D wrote: »

The Chiefs trading Marcus Peters is one of the worst decisions in the modern day NFL.

Utter insanity.

I dont think its that made of a move, if the've no plans of extending him they might as well let him go when he has trade value. They obviously felt he was more trouble than he was worth

Always Be Closing

We need to go Defense heavy this draft, I wouldn’t even look at Offense, it looks pretty set to me now. Most likely grab a backup QB to Mahomea later in the draft, but that’s it on Offense I reckon. We pick and OLB or CB in the 1st round I reckon.

eagle eye

Paully D wrote:

The Chiefs trading Marcus Peters is one of the worst decisions in the modern day NFL.
Utter insanity.

There are positives and negatives and it's not nearly as bad, at its worst, as you suggest. They might be a better team after this trade without even adding a new player.

Itssoeasy

Hazys wrote: »

Jonathon Martin the ex-Miami Dolphin who was bullied by Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey posted an extremely F'd up picture and message on Instagram which caused his former high school to close today.

He posted a picture of a shotgun and bullets with the message "When you’re a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide or revenge", he put the location as his HS and tagged, Incognito, Pouncey and 2 of his former HS classmates. Apparently he was bullied in HS too.

UPDATE: He was taken into custody

Yeah I saw it and was thinking "what the **** is wrong with you ?"

eagle eye

He has been taken to a mental institution apparently.

Paully D

eagle eye wrote: »

He has been taken to a mental institution apparently.

The Browns front office.

Itssoeasy

Paully D wrote: »

The Browns front office.

Ah now.

brinty

Bortles gets a two year extension...
Where's eli gonna go now

helimachoptor

54 mil across the 3 years

phatkev

helimachoptor wrote: »

54 mil across the 3 years

So the Jags have decided they won't be throwing the ball for another 3 years

Christy42

phatkev wrote: »

So the Jags have decided they won't be throwing the ball for another 3 years

We will throw the ball. Just not to our own players however.

brinty

Christy42 wrote:

We will throw the ball. Just not to our own players however.

But you won't be facing your own secondary
So it's not all bad ðŸ˜

Billy86

I really don't get that move, Bortles made a huge improvement last year but very much looks like he has hit his ceiling. To be fair, that ceiling is higher than most of us expected, but it's still just around the premium backup/decent stopgap starter (like a Fitzpatrick, McCown, Kaepernick, etc). He had some excellent games last year too, but at the end of the day he was summed up perfectly in the later part of the NE conference game where it was just 3-and-out, 3-and-out, 3-and-out over and over again (maybe I'm forgetting a first down or two, but it was still far from good enough).

That defense is right up there with the Bucs in the early 2000s, Seahawks in the early 2010s, and Broncos of the mid 2010s as being as good a defense as I've ever seen. Fournette looks to be a superstar RB, the guys behind him are solid too, they may not have an Antonio Brown but do have decent pass catching options and a much improved line last year. It's a shame because I just can't see them winning it all with Bortles, whereas Eli would have given them a better opportunity and Cousins would have been ideal and set them up at QB for a good 6-10 years to grow with that young team (so long as they could fit under the cap correctly - even if his red zone numbers aren't great, consistently getting them into FG range is enough for that defense to beat about anybody). Alex Smith had never even crossed my mind, but he would have been better than Eli and maybe even Cousins in my opinion, he just seems like he would fit their offense like a glove.

Huge, huge waste in my opinion. I'm guessing they draft a QB in the first 2-3 rounds and hope to develop them correctly rather than throw them into the fire as happened with Bortles and Gabbert before him.

eagle eye

A bit of fairness required here. Bortles certainly improved last year and he did so without his no.1 receiver for most of the year and his no.2 for a few games too. He didn't have a great cast of receivers for most of the year but he still got it done. A bit of good work in FA and he might well improve again.

And the deal he has been given is not hurting the team. He is helping them out with cap space this season.

Paully D

Interesting:

https://twitter.com/cianaf/status/967821224578461696

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I'm so disappointed in the Jags. They should be going gung-ho in their efforts to sign Cousins or another, preferably, veteran QB. Instead they're resigning Bortles. Teams have won Superbowls with worse QBs I know, but in a completely different era. They're wasting a generational (in terms of the franchise) talent with that squad. If they don't suceed with Bortles, it'll be a long time before they have that talent - at that price - at their disposal again.

Shedite27

It's not a huge contract, doesn't prevent them drafting a QB this year or next to go alongside it.

He's the 17th QB by average salary - it's about right really after taking them to the championship game.

Billy86

Shedite27 wrote: »

It's not a huge contract, doesn't prevent them drafting a QB this year or next to go alongside it.

He's the 17th QB by average salary - it's about right really after taking them to the championship game.

He played a role in it alright, but he was a member of a team that went to the Championship game, he was definitely not the guy that 'took them there'.

It's not a huge contract but the point is, it's a huge lack of ambition by the looks of things on their end. With all that young talent they won't be able to keep that defense together for too long and they're deciding to make Bortles their signal caller for it rather than more talented guys with more experience (Eli, Alex Smith) or the upside to be even better again for a good 6-10 years (Cousins).

Resigning Bortles signifies to me that they're happy enough to battle for a playoff spot each year rather than doing all they can to win the Lombardi Trophy.

Shedite27

Billy86 wrote: »

It's not a huge contract but the point is, it's a huge lack of ambition by the looks of things on their end. With all that young talent they won't be able to keep that defense together for too long and they're deciding to make Bortles their signal caller for it rather than more talented guys with more experience (Eli, Alex Smith) or the upside to be even better again for a good 6-10 years (Cousins).

I'm assuming you'd have liked to cut him and just go shopping for a QB? Cousins?

If you're keeping him, Bortles contract frees up 2018 cap space for the Jags if they want to go after Cousins. On his old deal his cap hit was $19m for '18, now it's $10m.

Previously they'd Bortles for $19m for 1 year, his new contract is $26m for 2 years, and can let him walk then. Worst case scenario you've Bortles as your backup in 2019 for $7m.

I'm not a Jags fan but think it's a good deal for you, he's now cheaper for the next 2 years, so either a cheap starter or a non-prohibitive backup.

Billy86

I'd be a Packers fan, but had a soft spot for the Jags since the Brunell/Fred Taylor days.

I'm a bit lost on the numbers though - if he had one year at $19mn remaining, and now has a two year deal that pays $7mn next year, isn't he then still on $19mn this year? If that's the case surely it's flat out not possible for them to spend another $20mn+ on a second QB this season?

To me it pretty much rules them out of Cousins and Eli by default though, neither are going to want to be battling with another guy for a starting spot - Manning being right toward the end of his career and Cousins having been d*cked about for years on end - which is exactly what this new contract seems to signify and is likely the message it will send them. Their best bet in my opinion was to see if they could bait anything from him on a trade (even a 5th rounder or whatnot), and failing that just letting him go.

eagle eye

Why on earth would you want to drop Bortles and take Eli?

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

Why on earth would you want to drop Bortles and take Eli?

Because he's far more experienced including in the playoffs where he has shown he can get it done very well in the playoffs as a two time Superbowl MVP. And because he's a better QB. I've been a Bortles defender for a few years, but in an ideal setup like he had last year he showed his ceiling, while higher than most expected, seems to be around the stopgap starter/high end backup level.

The only two downsides to having Manning in place of Bortles are 1) losing the scrambling ability, and 2) he's well up in years - so draft someone to develop behind him. Though he turns 38 on Wednesday, which makes it more touch and go - I had him at recently going 36 in my head for some reason.

Smith and Cousins were far and away their best two options to my mind, but the first is gone and now they've like ruled themselves out of the second also (as well as Manning).

Always Be Closing

2nd and 4th for Peters

Absolutely shocking deal for us

We've been rightly mugged off here

OldMrBrennan83

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TOss Sweep

Patww79 wrote: »

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Yup 2019

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/968192854957936640

Foxtrol

Patww79 wrote: »

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2018 4th & 2019 2nd for Peters & 2018 6th.

There was apparently barely any interest in him from any other team. Surprising or telling that Browns and Colts both now having former Chiefs office staff and have needs at CB but didn't try to get in there.

TOss Sweep

Always Be Closing wrote: »

2nd and 4th for Peters

Absolutely shocking deal for us

We've been rightly mugged off here

Very true but the Chiefs had no bargaining power as it was clear as day they wanted shot of him. Arguably the best CB in the league but his character issues were starting to shine through. Same sh1t he pulled on the field in December he did throughout his college career. Gives you a couple of solid years and then becomes a dick and acts out like a child. Which is a shame because the guy is fantastic player

Always Be Closing

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Very true but the Chiefs had no bargaining power as it was clear as day they wanted shot of him. Arguably the best CB in the league but his character issues were starting to shine through. Shame **** he pulled on the field in December he did throughout his college career. Gives you a couple of solid years and then becomes a dick and acts out like a child. Which is a shame because the guy is fantastic player

Great post

With that being said, I'd have kept him for 2 years and let him walk for nothing

TOss Sweep

Always Be Closing wrote: »

Great post

With that being said, I'd have kept him for 2 years and let him walk for nothing

He wasn't going to last another 2 years though. He would have thrown his toys out of his pram a few more times gotten disgruntled and then the Chiefs have a wasted roster spot and nothing to show for it. Best to cut your loses get something for him and move on.

Mad thing is also the Rams apparently were the only team that showed any interest.

Always Be Closing

TOss Sweep wrote: »

He wasn't going to last another 2 years though. He would have thrown his toys out of his pram a few more times gotten disgruntled and then the Chiefs have a wasted roster spot and nothing to show for it. Best to cut your loses get something for him and move on.

Mad thing is also the Rams apparently were the only team that showed any interest.

I'm just massively underwhelmed - expected a hell of a lot more.

Our secondary was already sh*te with Peters IN IT, I dread to think what it's gonna be like now.

Fuller is a bright prospect but Amerson should have been sent to the glue factory

eagle eye

Billy86 wrote: »

Because he's far more experienced including in the playoffs where he has shown he can get it done very well in the playoffs as a two time Superbowl MVP. And because he's a better QB. I've been a Bortles defender for a few years, but in an ideal setup like he had last year he showed his ceiling, while higher than most expected, seems to be around the stopgap starter/high end backup level.

The only two downsides to having Manning in place of Bortles are 1) losing the scrambling ability, and 2) he's well up in years - so draft someone to develop behind him. Though he turns 38 on Wednesday, which makes it more touch and go - I had him at recently going 36 in my head for some reason.

Smith and Cousins were far and away their best two options to my mind, but the first is gone and now they've like ruled themselves out of the second also (as well as Manning).

Last season Eli Manning had a 6.1 yard average with a 61.6% completion rate for 3468 yards with 19 tds and 13 ints over 15 games.
Bortles averaged 7 yards per pass with a 60.2% completion record for 3687 yards with 21 tds and 13 ints.

Also Manning had OBJ for four games, he had Shepard, Marshall and Engram.

Bortles had Marquise Lee, he had an injured Allen Hurns for 10 games and then a bunch of nobodies. Allen Robinson missed the whole year.

One is on the slide and the other has improved. You stick with Bortles if you have the choice.

Cousins is a talented QB and would almost certainly improve the Jags but they have no chance of keeping any of the star players on that defense if they pay him the money. Their best option is to draft a QB this year and again next year if it doesn't work out.