The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

helimachoptor

interesting article on who from the younger tears of the NFL QB's will make it

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783003-make-or-break-predicting-the-fate-of-the-nfls-young-qbs-in-prove-it-years#slide2

brinty

helimachoptor wrote: »

interesting article on who from the younger tears of the NFL QB's will make it

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783003-make-or-break-predicting-the-fate-of-the-nfls-young-qbs-in-prove-it-years#slide2

No Jared Goff amongst the list??

Think its a strange one but each to their own. I fear that Dak Prescott might be a break too and if so 2019 could be a very strange season in Cowboys Nation..

helimachoptor

brinty wrote: »

No Jared Goff amongst the list??

Think its a strange one but each to their own. I fear that Dak Prescott might be a break too and if so 2019 could be a very strange season in Cowboys Nation..

now that you mention it thats a pretty glaring omission, but then they he might be in the "sure thing" category.

Dak is interesting for sure, no witten and Dez (even with less performance) but a healthy Elliot is really needed. Gonna be an interesting time in the NFC east for sure

brinty

helimachoptor wrote: »

now that you mention it thats a pretty glaring omission, but then they he might be in the "sure thing" category.

Dak is interesting for sure, no witten and Dez (even with less performance) but a healthy Elliot is really needed. Gonna be an interesting time in the NFC east for sure

yea i thought something like that re Goff, but if he's a sure thing surely then Wentz is too?? and that's coming from a cowboys fan...

Think the NFC east is always intriguing but think maybe cowboys are going well if the Patriots can win without a star RB and WR then maybe we could do it without a star WR.. I also expect Zeke to be more involved in the receiving game this year too.

Billy86

They might have included Wentz but not Goff due to Wentz having a big injury that they're looking to pain into a question mark? It would be dumb, but it's the only reason I could think of.

Really want to see Mariota make it, he clearly wasn't at the races last year but his first two seasons I thought he was quality his first two years and really entertaining to watch. Assuming the Jets let Bridgewater go, I could see him being a really good fit on a one year deal for the Jags who have over $40mn in cap space. I'm skeptical that Bortles is going to progress beyond the serviceable starter he was this year so there's no harm in having someone who might battle him for the spot with otherwise spare money.

JaMarcus

I see Suh is enjoying a few days in Dublin as he's been posting about it on Twitter. He was at the Guinness factory yesterday.

He's also been working out at what I think is the Irish Rugby team's gym as I see the IRFU logo on some of the equipment. Anyone know if that's the gym at the Aviva or elsewhere - UCD maybe? He was taking some penalties/conversions too but it didnt recognise where he was.

mikemac2

Suh was the backup kicker in Detroit and Miami

I seem to remember a video of him nailing a few attempts in training camp. I've no doubt he'd be handy at conversions

When he was asked to do in a regular season game unfortunately he missed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULW1AI_e2Sc

brinty

mikemac2 wrote:

Suh was the backup kicker in Detroit and Miami

I seem to remember a video of him nailing a few attempts in training camp. I've no doubt he'd be handy at conversions

When he was asked to do in a regular season game unfortunately he missed

He's no Jeff Heath

Itssoeasy

I think they put wentz on that list because as you say he had the big injury and all that.

It's going to be a strange training camp for the Eagles for a couple of reasons. The first is being super bowl champs which an Eagles team has never had to deal with before. It's an unknown. You'd have to assume that Wentz if healthy is the night one starter against the Falcons, but he didn't technically win the super bowl. He got the team a good lot of the way but not to the summit. I think Wentz would have won it all last season just due to his nutty talent, but until he does it himself I think it'll hang over him.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

JaMarcus wrote: »

I see Suh is enjoying a few days in Dublin as he's been posting about it on Twitter. He was at the Guinness factory yesterday.

He's also been working out at what I think is the Irish Rugby team's gym as I see the IRFU logo on some of the equipment. Anyone know if that's the gym at the Aviva or elsewhere - UCD maybe? He was taking some penalties/conversions too but it didnt recognise where he was.

Nearly certain that was UCD.

jack presley

Hopefully he's got guns to match his father

https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/1015251857051041792

TOss Sweep

Seems like we have a long way to go to truly understand CTE:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/toronto-researchers-find-cte-in-brain-of-patient-with-no-concussion-history-1.3308916

TORONTO -- Researchers at Toronto Western Hospital's Canadian Concussion Centre have discovered the presence of chronic traumatic encephalopathy in the brain of a deceased patient with no known history of concussions.

They say it's the first known case of its kind.

The case study was published in the International Journal of Pathology and Research and presented at the centre's annual symposium on concussion research.

The finding resulted from an autopsy examining the brain of a patient with a seven-year history of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, known as ALS, and motor neuron disease.

The patient's family said he had no history of head trauma or any participation in activities associated with risk of concussion.

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, is a neurodegenerative brain disorder that has been linked to multiple concussions.

"The finding of CTE in an individual who not only had no known head trauma, but also showed no signs of dementia or cognitive impairment and was high functioning mentally until his death, highlights that the cause of CTE might be more complex than we assume," Dr. Lili-Naz Hazrati, a neuropathologist with the research team who conducted the autopsy, said in a release.

Previously, researchers have only seen CTE in the brains of people with a history of brain injury or multiple concussions, Hazrati said.

"We are not questioning that a relationship may exist between repetitive head trauma and brain degeneration," she said. "But, at this point in time, we have more questions than answers about the definitive causes of CTE, and findings like these give us new directions to pursue and investigate."

Dr. Charles Tator, director of the concussion centre and co-author of the study, said it was an "interesting development" that would help provide more understanding of the disease.

"As researchers, we need to go where the evidence takes us, and it now seems possible that CTE affects a wider range of people," he said.

"The more we know about this disease, the more likely we'll be able to figure out how to treat it and perhaps eventually prevent it."

According to the concussion centre, brain autopsies of cases where individuals reported suffering multiple concussions have yielded a wide range of results, including no neuropathological changes in the brain, presence of CTE alone, presence of CTE and another neurodegenerative disease, or a non-CTE neurodegenerative disease only.

"Obviously brain trauma and repetitive brain trauma can result in cognitive impairment and possibly contribute to a neurodegenerative disease," said Hazrati.

"But since we've seen cases of brains that experienced multiple concussions but don't have CTE, and now a brain with CTE but absence of any head trauma, there is indication that we should be cautious about labelling trauma as the only possible cause of CTE because it looks to be more complicated than that."

CTE has been found in the brains of multiple former athletes. The National Football League and National Hockey League were sued by former players who suffered concussions and other head injuries. The NFL settled for US$1 billion, while the suit against the NHL is pending. The CFL has also been named in a class-action lawsuit over concussions and brain trauma.

TOss Sweep

Brandon Browner keeping it classy in his personal life

https://985thesportshub.com/2018/07/09/brandon-browner-arrested-felony-charges/

Police in La Verne, Calif. arrested former New England Patriots cornerback Brandon Browner on Sunday after responding to a call at the house of an unnamed victim, believed to be his ex-girlfriend who filed a restraining order against him.

According to a news release from the La Verne Police Department, Browner allegedly physically harmed and threatened to kill the victim before she fled her residence. Browner also allegedly broke in to the home through a locked window and stole a Rolex watch worth approx. $20,000 before fleeing the scene prior to police arriving.

According to records from the L.A. County Sheriff's department, Browner is being held at L.A. Men's Central Jail on a total bail of $10 million. He was brought in on felony charges, which according to NBC Los Angeles include kidnapping, burglary, and false imprisonment, in addition to violating his restraining order.

Browner, 33, last played in the NFL in 2015 with the New Orleans Saints. He won a Super Bowl championship with the Patriots in 2014, starting nine games at corner and breaking up seven passes with one interception. Browner played a major role in Malcolm Butler's Super Bowl-saving interception, delivering a key block that sprung Butler free on the play. He also played from 2011-13 with the Seattle Seahawks.

Since the end of his NFL career, Browner has also had several serious run-ins with the law. He was arrested on domestic battery charges back in May and was arrested three other times since May 2017, on charges ranging from cocaine possession to threats of violence to violating his probation.

JaMarcus

Another ex-Patriot. What a bunch of thugs!

TOss Sweep

JaMarcus wrote: »

Another ex-Patriot. What a bunch of thugs!

All coming out lately. Next we will find out Tom Brady is some sort of criminal mastermind.

Loughc

TOss Sweep wrote: »

All coming out lately. Next we will find out Tom Brady is some sort of criminal mastermind.

He currently walks the streets of Boston deflating footballs and kids bike tyres. The bastard.

adrian522

Posting this as I find it interesting, not that I agree with everything in it.

The ill-conceived new anthem policy has played right into the hands of a President who, as his latest rally rant showed, will continue to ridicule and demonize the NFL to rile up his followers. A little Irish history offers a lesson in how the league could—and surely won’t—fight back

Trump Has Made the NFL His Punching Bag. The League’s Best Response Is Defiance

JaMarcus

I may have to start watching this show - this is a funny read: The Most Jay Cutler Thing That Jay Cutler Did on ‘Very Cavallari’: Week 1

Some choice extracts:

You wanna know how Jay Cutler is spending his retirement? Let’s go to Kristin for an update: “His latest thing is he watches deer cams?” she perplexedly says to her best friend, before trying to explain further. “It’s like live feeds of deer eating out of a deer feeder, not even on our property.”

Over a nice dinner, Kristin asks Jay what he plans to do in retirement, and Jay responds, “I’m not really looking to do a lot of work right now. I’m looking to do the exact opposite of that.”

Those 21 words are the most fitting words Jay Cutler has ever said.

Minutes later, Jay Cutler texts his wife, despite being just rooms away from her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPT4LPLw4z8

adrian522

This is the most Cutler play of all time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSB5OpDOTcA

TOss Sweep

I love Jay Cutler.

TOss Sweep

JaMarcus wrote: »

I may have to start watching this show - this is a funny read:

Makes two of us. As my previous post states Love the guy.

JaMarcus

LeSean McCoy finding himself in hot water re: domestic abuse. As far as (currently baseless) allegations go, it's fairly explosive.

Beating a woman? Check.
Beating a child? Check.
Beating a dog? Check.
Using steroids? Check.

Allegations and pictures here (potentially NSFW): https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDh3nfgKyx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=djqw5sc1p3ox

Shady's response here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDrodGBN6v/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=5ncu4ztyr5fa

The Bills are investigating.

eagle eye

JaMarcus wrote:

The Bills are investigating.

If it's the Bills investigating they will most likely find nothing.
If the NFL investigates then he may be facing a minimum four game ban. He doesn't have to have done anything for that to happen.

Guffy

eagle eye wrote: »

If it's the Bills investigating they will most likely find nothing.
If the NFL investigates then he may be facing a minimum four game ban. He doesn't have to have done anything for that to happen.

Tbf the nfl tend to wait until the police investigation is finished before they begin their own. McCoy could well be retired at that stage

Billy86

And even if the NFL find out he did do it, if there's no video evidence just slap on a two week ban and minor fine and we're good to go.

The one thing that strikes me as odd is that it's an extensive list of allegations over when seems to be a long period of time yet I don't recall ever hearing a peep out of anyone about him in the past that would even hint at that, even after he left the Eagles (e.g. not a teammate any longer so easier to spill the beans on/talk about for anyone who found him, uuhh... shady). But I'd rather wait for more evidence in either direction come out before jumping to any conclusions.

Foxtrol

After the whole Foster situation, where the accusation was found to be complete lies, I would have hoped people would hold off speculating until at least a bit more information than an instagram post came out.

Guffy

Foxtrol wrote: »

After the whole Foster situation, where the accusation was found to be complete lies, I would have hoped people would hold off speculating until at least a bit more information than an instagram post came out.

It doesn't matter to the NFL. Zeke got 6 games sure

Foxtrol

Guffy wrote: »

It doesn't matter to the NFL. Zeke got 6 games sure

I'm not going down the Zeke rabbit hole again, it all boils down to what you deem as burden of proof. In hindsight it would have probably been better for him if they tried to prosecute him like they did Foster. All the facts would have been aired in court and the complainant risk perjury.

helimachoptor

Pacman got into a fight at an airport, looks like its with staff of the airport at some sort, starts off not great for him, but he kicks ass at the end, cant seem to get a link, but its on instagram and will no doubt be on other sources shortly

Itssoeasy

JaMarcus wrote: »

LeSean McCoy finding himself in hot water re: domestic abuse. As far as (currently baseless) allegations go, it's fairly explosive.

Beating a woman? Check.
Beating a child? Check.
Beating a dog? Check.
Using steroids? Check.

Allegations and pictures here (potentially NSFW): https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDh3nfgKyx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=djqw5sc1p3ox

Shady's response here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDrodGBN6v/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=5ncu4ztyr5fa

The Bills are investigating.

It's case of go big or go home form shady as far as allegations are concerned.

I really have never and will never fully understand(yes I know there is the poor background/hangers on element) how some grown adults who are well known and celebrities to varying degrees can one do such stupid things in the off season either of their own accord or put themselves in compromising situations.

I mean the case in Tampa bay with Winston. The bucs have done everything to help that kid after the stuff at Florida state and the crab legs carry on, you'd think that at some point the message would get through to not do or put yourself in situations that could be problematic.

Realt Dearg Sec

helimachoptor wrote: »

Pacman got into a fight at an airport, looks like its with staff of the airport at some sort, starts off not great for him, but he kicks ass at the end, cant seem to get a link, but its on instagram and will no doubt be on other sources shortly

Just saw it there, supposedly the staff member was arrested, cops say he instigated and Pacman was only defending himself. Very vague as to how it started though, the staff member made "a gesture"?

TOss Sweep

Video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs-_UzQ7ung

Loughc

The employee definitely launched at Jones first.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Nice payday for Brandon Cooks.
$81 million, includes $20.5 million fully guaranteed at signing and $50.5 million in total guarantees.

JaMarcus

Revis has announced his retirement. Probably the best defensive player of the last 10-15 years in my opinion.

Billy86

I'd take Woodson and Watt as better overall defensive players, but Revis has to be up there with Deion Sanders for best pure cover corner ever... 2009 I think it was, I've never seen anything quite like it. I'd want to look up those stat lines again because he seemed to be playing All Pro after Hall of Famer after All Pro after Hall of Famer after All Pro after Hall of Famer with next to no safety help, and if he gave up 3-4 catches for 40-50 yards it was a bad week.

Ya didn't he shut down Calvin Johnson and Andre johnson in back to back weeks one time that's madness

phatkev

Billy86 wrote: »

I'd take Woodson and Watt as better overall defensive players, but Revis has to be up there with Deion Sanders for best pure cover corner ever... 2009 I think it was, I've never seen anything quite like it. I'd want to look up those stat lines again because he seemed to be playing All Pro after Hall of Famer after All Pro after Hall of Famer after All Pro after Hall of Famer with next to no safety help, and if he gave up 3-4 catches for 40-50 yards it was a bad week.

I'll never understand how Revis didnt get DPOY in '09. An absolute joy to watch

JaMarcus

phatkev wrote: »

I'll never understand how Revis didnt get DPOY in '09. An absolute joy to watch

He was targeted 5th MOST out of all cornerbacks in the league too!! A ridiculous year.

Billy86

It was a stupidly tough call between him and Woodson that year, if I recall it was the last year Woodson's man coverage was up there with the best of them (probably top 5 at a guess) while he was also ridiculous against the run (surely the best CB at it at the time, not named Antoine Winfield) and put up 9 interceptions, 179 yards and three touchdowns returning those, along with another forced 4 fumbles, one more recovered and another two sacks. Really it could have gone to either and not been wrong imo, one of the times it actually made sense to give a joint award, though the only time I can think of that happening was when they wanted to give the Peyton Manning brand a piece of the award for being Peyton Manning.

Revis was the better pure CB, but as an overall defender I'm struggling to think of anyone who could match Woodson in the late 2000s outside of Watt or maybe Ray Lewis. There's a bias there obviously, but I genuinely think if Woodson's entire career was played at that level he would be seen hands down the best DB to ever play the game and one of the absolute top, top, top guys to ever play defense in any position.

Paully D

Billy86 wrote: »

It was a stupidly tough call between him and Woodson that year, if I recall it was the last year Woodson's man coverage was up there with the best of them (probably top 5 at a guess) while he was also ridiculous against the run (surely the best CB at it at the time, not named Antoine Winfield) and put up 9 interceptions, 179 yards and three touchdowns returning those, along with another forced 4 fumbles, one more recovered and another two sacks. Really it could have gone to either and not been wrong imo, one of the times it actually made sense to give a joint award, though the only time I can think of that happening was when they wanted to give the Peyton Manning brand a piece of the award for being Peyton Manning.

Revis was the better pure CB, but as an overall defender I'm struggling to think of anyone who could match Woodson in the late 2000s outside of Watt or maybe Ray Lewis. There's a bias there obviously, but I genuinely think if Woodson's entire career was played at that level he would be seen hands down the best DB to ever play the game and one of the absolute top, top, top guys to ever play defense in any position.

Ed Reed?

Billy86

I had him in it but ticked him off, my favourite ever safety and one of my probably top 5 favourite players since 2002 when I started watching the league; top 8 definitely. The only reason I would not quite put him up there is because he physically fell off somewhat early, even though remained nothing short of "just f***ing stupid good" at what he did best.

If Ed Reed kept the level of physicality of his first 3 years or so, I don't even want to know how his career would have wound up, the guy was putting up nearly double digit interceptions, returning some for touchdowns, hammering people with hits, returning punts for touchdowns, blocking punts and returning those for touchdowns as well, forcing fumbles, recovering fumbles, returning those fumbles for touchdowns, adding a few sacks and the deep middle was on do-not-even-bother levels - many times even if you had Brady, Manning, McNair or Favre back there. An MVP award would not have shocked me at all. Loved Polamalu to bits as well (and still fantasize about them being on the same team since they couldn't have possibly complimented each other any better) but Reed was unquestionably above him for me

I'd have polamalu a good bit behind reed in fact I'd have Dawkins a good bit above polamalu (although there may be a bit of bias there)

adrian522

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