The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

phatkev

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah I know, I watched it and it was pretty dire, and reading what Bills fans have to say about it, it seems like his run-first offense is a bit old hat these days so he was always going to be on the chopping block, it's just that a game where your utterly useless, couldn't be hired anywhere else brother is the DC behind giving up 37 points, is probably not a great day to be firing the other guy. I think Rex's race is almost ran himself, these are the actions of a desperate man.

I think that draw play on the 3rd and 30 might have been the straw that broke the camels back:pac:

But seriously Blame Schotty, Blame Sparano, Blame Mornhinweg, Blame Tanny Blame Idzik, Blame Woody, Blame Whaley, Blame Sanchez, Blame Tyrod and now Blame Roman!! I think its time Rex realised he might be the problem, and dont get me started on how Rob still has a job in the NFL, the sad thing for Bills fans is he'll be there until Rex is goes. I bet Jim Schwartz is having a right laugh now

phatkev

Roman was the highest paid OC in the league :eek:

poldebruin

What a joke in Buffalo. Firing one of your coordinators before the second week of the season is complete. They went through the offseason, installed the offense, mini camp, preseason and fire him after 2 games?

Last year their offense was 12th in points and 13th in yards, with a first year starter at QB. 1st in rushing yards, TD's and YPC also. Off to a slow start, but other than for disciplinary reasons, what coaching staff is ever fired so early into a season. Probably the most damning indictment of Rex Ryan's tenure in Buffalo really.

TOss Sweep

Once again Rex Ryan proves he is not Head Coach material. He should give up the ghost believing he can be a head coach. He is an excellent defensive coordinator and should stick to what he knows best and coach a defense and stop believing he can coach a whole team.

Jolly Red Giant

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Once again Rex Ryan proves he is not Head Coach material. He should give up the ghost believing he can be a head coach. He is an excellent defensive coordinator and should stick to what he knows best and coach a defense and stop believing he can coach a whole team.

I think Ryan is an idiot - but to suggest he is not 'head coach material' is belied by the fact that owners keep giving him the job. Now the owners that give him the job might be idiots as well but even the best of them make mistakes - the key from an owners perspective is not to make the same mistake twice (and Bowlen's hiring of McIdiot comes to mind with this one). I agree that Ryan should stick to being a DC but it is the nature of the NFL that most coaches want to be the biggest dog possible in control of what they can. The NFL operates as an autocracy.

One of the biggest problems in the NFL is that there is a limited pool of people who are capable of being a good HC on a consistent basis - and it is inevitable that even the best of them will probably eventually run out of road (I am intrigued to see if that will happen with BB and the retirement of Brady will be his biggest challenge) - for the rest of the NFL teams it is really a case of finding the right fit and hope they can sustain competitiveness for an extended period. Ryan is part of that merry-go-round.

phatkev

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Once again Rex Ryan proves he is not Head Coach material. He should give up the ghost believing he can be a head coach. He is an excellent defensive coordinator and should stick to what he knows best and coach a defense and stop believing he can coach a whole team.

I remember when the Jets fired him he said theres no way he'd settle for a coordinators job and that he would take time out of the game if he didnt get a HC offer. He's that headstrong I couldn't see him changing his stance if Buffalo were to fire him

TOss Sweep

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I think Ryan is an idiot - but to suggest he is not 'head coach material' is belied by the fact that owners keep giving him the job. Now the owners that give him the job might be idiots as well but even the best of them make mistakes - the key from an owners perspective is not to make the same mistake twice (and Bowlen's hiring of McIdiot comes to mind with this one). I agree that Ryan should stick to being a DC but it is the nature of the NFL that most coaches want to be the biggest dog possible in control of what they can. The NFL operates as an autocracy.

One of the biggest problems in the NFL is that there is a limited pool of people who are capable of being a good HC on a consistent basis - and it is inevitable that even the best of them will probably eventually run out of road (I am intrigued to see if that will happen with BB and the retirement of Brady will be his biggest challenge) - for the rest of the NFL teams it is really a case of finding the right fit and hope they can sustain competitiveness for an extended period. Ryan is part of that merry-go-round.

Only 1 owner has given Ryan a second chance to date. The Jets gave him his shot as a HC and he showed he really isn't HC material there. The Bills like other teams who don't make good decisions wil continue to make bad decisions hiring guys like Ryan hoping that he will work out for them when realistically he will end up doing the same crap but in record time. He has already shown his time in Buffalo is not different to how he has ended things in NY. But just because owners are stupid enough to give guys like Ryan the job doesn't mean they are actual HC material.

As for the enough coaches or finding the right guy of course that is the burden every owner will face over and over but there is plenty of potentially good coaches out there between Coordinators and assistants and College ball. Its down to the owner and his crew being smart and finding that right fit. Look at the teams who have enjoyed consistency with their HC they make smart decisions and dont pull the trigger on failed HC. And those teams when the time comes will work hard to avoid the crap and look for the guy they believe will carry on the tradition. Its a simple hiring process. Like any company hiring. Have a solid hiring process in place and you will avoid the sh1te.

TOss Sweep

phatkev wrote: »

I remember when the Jets fired him he said theres no way he'd settle for a coordinators job and that he would take time out of the game if he didnt get a HC offer. He's that headstrong I couldn't see him changing his stance if Buffalo were to fire him

Sad part is he knows there is always a HC role out there for him so he is right to be that arrogant really. IF Buffalo fire him which I think they will this season he will find a team desperate enough to hire him.

jack presley

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Sad part is he knows there is always a HC role out there for him so he is right to be that arrogant really. IF Buffalo fire him which I think they will this season he will find a team desperate enough to hire him.

Didn't he say when he go third that this was the last job he's going to take? I know people say things they don't mean all the time though.

I laughed at the 'conspiracy theory' made by Rachel Nichols on ESPN yesterday. If the Bills continue to play crap, Ryan would be sacked by week 5-6 and Roman was the one who would take over. But with him being gone now, they might hold onto Ryan a bit longer as their favoured in-house hire is no longer there. I know she wasn't really being serious but conspiracy theories always make me laugh.

TOss Sweep

jack presley wrote: »

Didn't he say when he go third that this was the last job he's going to take? I know people say things they don't mean all the time though.

Did he? Damn it wont be long before he retires so.

I laughed at the 'conspiracy theory' made by Rachel Nichols on ESPN yesterday. If the Bills continue to play crap, Ryan would be sacked by week 5-6 and Roman was the one who would take over. But with him being gone now, they might hold onto Ryan a bit longer as their favoured in-house hire is no longer there. I know she wasn't really being serious but conspiracy theories always make me laugh.

Lets add to the conspiracy. Ryan know now after two games that his job is under threat and he knows the Bills really like Roman to replace him so he fires him as a big FU to the Bills.

I would be intrigued to see Roman get his shot though. Biggest question with him will be how he fairs defensively.

raze_them_all_

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Did he? Damn it wont be long before he retires so.



Lets add to the conspiracy. Ryan know now after two games that his job is under threat and he knows the Bills really like Roman to replace him so he fires him as a big FU to the Bills.

I would be intrigued to see Roman get his shot though. Biggest question with him will be how he fairs defensively.

Step one. Fire Rob Ryan. Thats about as good as he can do day 1!

Knex*

Struggling to believe this

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/777716268866469896

Its like himself and Green Bay are still having PTSD from the Denver game last year.

Jolly Red Giant

Knex. wrote: »

Its like himself and Green Bay are still having PTSD from the Denver game last year.

The Denver defence will do that to you.

ScummyMan

Knex. wrote: »

Struggling to believe this

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/777716268866469896

Its like himself and Green Bay are still having PTSD from the Denver game last year.

Should Mike Mccarthy be on the hot seat?

OldMrBrennan83

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Knex*

Reading a lot of Packers fans saying so, but I think that its ridiculously short sighted to be considering that right now.

Realt Dearg Sec

I was surprised how many packers fans were blaming play calling last night for the loss, particularly the decision to go for it on fourth early instead of taking a fg. Seems to ignore the elephant the room that Rodgers was terrible, had a fumble and a very bad interception that cost them the game at the end, and generally had the demeanour of someone who wanted to go home. He had his usual flashes of brilliance, but he has clearly declined starting middle of last season. Still dangerous on the run but his passing has been pretty bad.

cosatron

The next 4 home games will be telling. In a months time we could be 5-1. I think we can turn it around. Rodgers and McCarthy are too good.

D9Male

Green Bay and Rodgers won't be the first victims of that Vikings defence. It is special.

cosatron

D9Male wrote: »

Green Bay and Rodgers won't be the first victims of that Vikings defence. It is special.

Yea Barr and Joseph were really impressive but our line play was poor and Rodgers ball protection was terrible

Billy86

Knex. wrote: »

Struggling to believe this

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/777716268866469896

Its like himself and Green Bay are still having PTSD from the Denver game last year.

Nah, GB are guaranteed a goose of a game on offense here and there. I reckon it's more to do either the offense becoming lethargic and predictable. I'm actually beginning to look at McCarthy and even Ted Thompson with a bit if a suspicious eye.

Its also looking more and more like Seattle got the longer end of the stick in getting John Schneider as GM.

HigginsJ

Seahawks have forfeited their 2017 5th round draft pick & a week of OTA's for violating some league rules during OTA's this year.

Two players collided without helmets which has caused this, my understanding anyway. If thats the case the punishment isnt really proportional imo. That being said if it were the Pats they would have lost a 1st rounder, pre-season camp & Tom Brady would have been suspended so could have been worse!!

Realt Dearg Sec

It's not always about the patriots.

Billy86

Thats a great example why pats fans get so little sympathy from other fans, actually.

D9Male

HigginsJ wrote: »

Seahawks have forfeited their 2017 5th round draft pick & a week of OTA's for violating some league rules during OTA's this year.

Two players collided without helmets which has caused this, my understanding anyway. If thats the case the punishment isnt really proportional imo. That being said if it were the Pats they would have lost a 1st rounder, pre-season camp & Tom Brady would have been suspended so could have been worse!!

Mother of God.

HigginsJ

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It's not always about the patriots.

Billy86 wrote: »

Thats a great example why pats fans get so little sympathy from other fans, actually.

It was a joke reference to the Pats. Really cant understand the severity of the punishment if that is all that happened though.

Paully D

Rodgers certainly hasn't been his normal self for almost a year now and that was arguably the worst game of his career last night. It's not just a 2 or 3 game slump.

It'll be interesting to see how things develop but they have 4 home games in a row now against the Lions, Giants, Cowboys and Bears.

Realt Dearg Sec

HigginsJ wrote: »

It was a joke reference to the Pats. Really cant understand the severity of the punishment if that is all that happened though.

I had heard they ran a full contact session against the rules.

But once again, the punishments do still seem to be entirely arbitrary.

HigginsJ

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I had heard they ran a full contact session against the rules.

But once again, the punishments do still seem to be entirely arbitrary.

Yea no rhymn no reason to it really. Do coaches have any input when it comes to the CBA as they are the ones who really suffer with rules like this

Knex*

Listening to what some folks on Reddit were saying and going back and taking a look, it seems Rodgers footwork has seriously declined. Some are saying since his leg injury in 2014, almost. That coupled with him sensing pressure at times where there is none, and not trusting the pocket, means he's not stepping into throws or carrying out his drops to the same level as he once did.

Definitely seems to be the case. He's not stepping into throws and is relying on his arm strength for the most part, which is still incredible, but in a system that is so predicated on footwork and timing of the feet, along with the general need to step into throws, then that could easily be the issue.

Will be interesting to see how it develops over the season now, for sure.

Itssoeasy

HigginsJ wrote: »

Yea no rhymn no reason to it really. Do coaches have any input when it comes to the CBA as they are the ones who really suffer with rules like this

I'm not sure if coaches gave direct input but every team has a player rep in the NFLPA and some of them are high up so I'd have assumed they have brought that up at the time.

TOss Sweep

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It's not always about the patriots.

But yet someone brings up the Patriots......

Foxtrol

HigginsJ wrote: »

It was a joke reference to the Pats. Really cant understand the severity of the punishment if that is all that happened though.

Seahawks have a decent amount of previous when it comes to breaking rules regarding contact in training. Like other teams that shall not be mentioned I'm sure this plays into the severity.

Jolly Red Giant

Came across these stats about Cam Newton and Andrew Luck today - and sometimes the stats do tell a story

Cam Newton V the Broncos

Completion rate 54.5%
194 yds
1 TD 1 INT
3 sacks

Cam Newton V 49ers

Completion rate 60%
353 yds
4 TD 1 Int
1 sack

Andrew Luck V Lions

Completion rate 66%
385 yds
4 TD 0 Int
2 sacks

Andrew Luck V Broncos

Completion rate 52.5%
197 yds
1 TD 1 INT
5 sacks

bruschi

Billy86 wrote: »

Thats a great example why pats fans get so little sympathy from other fans, actually.

Brilliant! Pats fans getting tarred with the same brush.

And the comment was made by a Giants fan? Is there anything we won't get blamed for?

Billy86

bruschi wrote: »

Brilliant! Pats fans getting tarred with the same brush.

And the comment was made by a Giants fan? Is there anything we won't get blamed for?

Donald Tru--- god damnit, Tom!!

Billy86

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Came across these

And I came across this - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056353053

TOss Sweep

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Came across these stats about Cam Newton and Andrew Luck today - and sometimes the stats do tell a story

Not sure why you are showing us some random stats but if you are trying to tell us the Broncos Defense are good.......

Yeah we all know that, hardly ground breaking news.

Jolly Red Giant

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Not sure why you are showing us some random stats but if you are trying to tell us the Broncos Defense are good.......

Yeah we all know that, hardly ground breaking news.

Ah come on now - let me do a little gloating

jack presley

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Ah come on now - let me do a little gloating

Yeah because you do so little of it.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Ah come on now - let me do a little gloating

Ware out for 4-5 weeks during a tough stretch of games ... could be damaging.

helimachoptor

Broncos are great JRG, take it to the Broncos thread.

BoJack Horseman

It seems the fan experience at the LA coliseum left a lot to be desired.
160 people treated at the stadium & 14 hospitalisations.

http://deadspin.com/the-fan-experience-at-the-rams-stadium-sounded-like-hel-1786826307

Have any boardsies ever been there?

Beefy78

I've not been for a game but I've seen it in person and it is one of the most filmed stadiums in the World (had starring roles in both Lost and 24 for fans of mid-noughties American TV out there) and it doesn't take a rocket-scientist for anyone with any familiarity with it to work out the issues.

It is completely uncovered, it's very old and therefore outdated in terms of facilities (a huge issue considering the bag policy at NFL games means that you wouldn't be able to bring water in with you) and with timezones the way that they are it is always going to be a challenge.

Magico Gonzalez

The Chargers will be there soon enough, with two teams operating there the infrastructure will really start to creak!

OAOB

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

The Chargers will be there soon enough, with two teams operating there the infrastructure will really start to creak!

Assuming the Chargers are moving to LA they wouldn't go until the new stadium is built.
With the Raiders chasing Vegas it removes any urgency for the Chargers to declare their intention until it suits them

Magico Gonzalez

The Chargers are moving to LA. it will take a miracle for them to win the November city council vote to get a new stadium built with public money contributing, they need 2/3rds of the vote and they admit themselves there is no hope. So it's more or less a done deal, barring a minor miracle.

The strong rumour at the minute is that they will go to the Coliseum from 2017 until 2018. The Coliseum already invited them to play there this year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chargers-view-a-move-to-los-angeles-in-2017-as-increasingly-inevitable/

I think it's a shame, San Diego is probably my favourite city in the US. Shame for them to lose a franchise over failed stadium move but that's life with Kroenke as an owner.

Magico Gonzalez

OAOB wrote: »

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

The Chargers will be there soon enough, with two teams operating there the infrastructure will really start to creak!

Assuming the Chargers are moving to LA they wouldn't go until the new stadium is built.
With the Raiders chasing Vegas it removes any urgency for the Chargers to declare their intention until it suits them

Ps..Vegas and the Raiders re probably a good fit for each other !

jack presley

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I think it's a shame, San Diego is probably my favourite city in the US. Shame for them to lose a franchise over failed stadium move but that's life with Kroenke as an owner.

Kroenke? You've LA on the brain...!!!

Magico Gonzalez

haha...true.

I meant Spanos.

Everything else is correct though.

They will be in the Coliseum next year, barring a miracle.