The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Knex*

poldebruin wrote: »

Said in jest, but he clearly benefits from being a team that is well coached, develops talent, gameplans brilliantly and executes fantastically well. The Matt Cassell season still defies belief when you look back.

It doesn't at all. People forget that they went 18-1 the season before. They had a generational team, one that Tim Tebow could nearly have taken to the playoffs, which coincidentally, they didn't actually do.

Not taking credit away from BB, but similarly it can't really be used as a knock on Brady.

poldebruin wrote: »

imagine your team won 3/4 of every game they played for 15 years straight....crazy really. They say it's a coptcat league....why has no other team replicated it?

Colts must have been close for a decade or so?

eagle eye

I've no doubt that the performances you are seeing from the Patriots are a response to having their leader wrongly suspended, in my view and theirs I'd imagine, for four games. I would imagine that they have worked harder then ever before and want to stick it to Goodell for taking draft picks and suspending the GOAT.

I watched the game last night and tbh I don't think Brisset was anything special but his ability to run with the ball was important. This is about everybody on that team being better prepared than ever before imo.

Knex*

Just checked the Colts. From 1999 to 2010 (Manning's last full season) they had a win ratio of 71.8%

138-54.

If you want to include the injury the Luck years, its now at 66.5%

181-91

Not quite Brady's 76%, but Manning was pretty much at that level for over a decade.

Green Bay could have a similar ratio to the Colts, with Favre and Rodgers. Probably around 65%, at a guess.

UnitedIrishman

Knex. wrote: »

Just checked the Colts. From 1999 to 2010 (Manning's last full season) they had a win ratio of 71.8%

138-54.

If you want to include the injury the Luck years, its now at 66.5%

181-91

Not quite Brady's 76%, but Manning was pretty much at that level for over a decade.

Green Bay could have a similar ratio to the Colts, with Favre and Rodgers. Probably around 65%, at a guess.

Over the course of the Favre and Rodgers period (92 - present) we're 245 - 140 - 1. So about 63%.

Knex*

Not far off, so!

Remember seeing last year, or perhaps the year before, that the highest win % in the NFC East over the past 15 years or so was the Eagles, and by quite a margin. They dominated in the 00's for a while, but ultimately had nothing to show for it.

bruschi

Knex. wrote: »

They look superb. Extremely polished and well coached, its like they've gone up another level. I'd be extremely excited if I was a Patriots fan right now. I've no great love for them normally, but I'm enjoying watching them this year.

Hopefully Eli can become 3li in Super Bowl LI and beat the undefeated Pats once more. I'd die from happiness

as Eagle eye commented on, the whole Brady saga is fuel to the fire. You take the Patriots best seasons and most of them come from some sort of chip on the shoulder type incident which drives them on. As much as the ability and skill level of the players is key, that extra drive and mentality of us against the word is prevalent in all sports and how often do you see a player come out after a game saying "you all doubted us" or "we showed everyone now what we are about" even if that player/team was an overwhelming favourite.

The Patriots dont seem immune from that type of reaction, and the most of their better season or bowl wins have had some sort of underdog/chip on the shoulder/we'll show you all type from them.

poldebruin

bruschi wrote: »

as Eagle eye commented on, the whole Brady saga is fuel to the fire. You take the Patriots best seasons and most of them come from some sort of chip on the shoulder type incident which drives them on. As much as the ability and skill level of the players is key, that extra drive and mentality of us against the word is prevalent in all sports and how often do you see a player come out after a game saying "you all doubted us" or "we showed everyone now what we are about" even if that player/team was an overwhelming favourite.

I don't really buy into the "Bulletin Board" or "Chip on the shoulder" providing extra motivation stuff myself. There is a bit of selection bias at play, as how often do you see a losing team or player come out and say " well we had a chip on our shoulder, it motivated me, but it did not make a blind bit of difference" or "you doubted us, and it turns out you were right"!

You mentioned it yourself, ability, skill level are key....mental attitude certainly has a part to play, but for me, the best players have this drive to succeed without perceived sleights driving them on.

Anyway, whatever it is that is bringing sustained success, it will be another season with New England in the mix and a likely AFC championship game appearence.

AbusesToilets

Highlights for me was Special Teams. Allen was on fire with his punts, probably the best ST performance I can remember. I was very happy to see the D play well for the full 60 mins. I'd say they got a right going over for the Dolphins game.

Knex.

Knex. wrote: »

Not far off, so!

Remember seeing last year, or perhaps the year before, that the highest win % in the NFC East over the past 15 years or so was the Eagles, and by quite a margin. They dominated in the 00's for a while, but ultimately had nothing to show for it.

That Eagles team was great went to 5 NFC champ games in a row the year that the warren sapp bucs won the sb they really blew it

paulie21

Brissett needs thumb surgery. Edelman just might have to start week 4

helimachoptor

TB TE Seferian Jenkins has been released after a DUI it seems. Expect someone will pick him up

helimachoptor

paulie21 wrote: »

Brissett needs thumb surgery. Edelman just might have to start week 4

Pats to go 4-0 surely :cool:

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

TB TE Seferian Jenkins has been released after a DUI it seems. Expect someone will pick him up

TMZ Sports has obtained the dash cam footage from Austin Seferian-Jenkins' DUI arrest -- and he ALMOST got off scott free ... until he started running his drunken mouth.
The ex-Bucs tight end was pulled over for an improper lane change after cutting off a cop -- and moments after the stop, the officer was going to let ASJ off with a warning.
Then Austin started talking ... and slurring ... and the cop quickly realized the 23-year-old was wasted.
Austin begged the cop to let him go to his QB's house to watch 'American Horror Story' ... but the cop shot that down.
Once Austin was arrested, he told the cop he needed to take a "huge s***" -- the cop begged him not to do it in his brand new squad car.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/23/austin-seferian-footage-dui-dash-cam-footage/

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

Austin begged the cop to let him go to his QB's house to watch 'American Horror Story' ... but the cop shot that down...

They are rather trigger happy...

Billy86

To be fair, we might be better off in a world without people who still watch AHS. First season or two were kind of sort of interesting, but sweet jaysus did it go to crap after that!

Paully D

paulie21 wrote: »

Brissett needs thumb surgery. Edelman just might have to start week 4

They could play Belichick QB and I'd be convinced they'd still win given how their season has started.

Itssoeasy

Paully D wrote: »

They could play Belichick QB and I'd be convinced they'd still win given how their season has started.

But honestly who expected the pats to be 3-0 with one game of Brady's suspension left ? I certainly didn't. Week 4 the pats are playing with house money basically as at worst they will be 3-1 and possibly 4-0.

Paully D

Itssoeasy wrote: »

But honestly who expected the pats to be 3-0 with one game of Brady's suspension left ? I certainly didn't. Week 4 the pats are playing with house money basically as at worst they will be 3-1 and possibly 4-0.

I thought they'd lose in Arizona but that they would win the following 3 at home.

Billy86

Itssoeasy wrote: »

But honestly who expected the pats to be 3-0 with one game of Brady's suspension left ? I certainly didn't. Week 4 the pats are playing with house money basically as at worst they will be 3-1 and possibly 4-0.

I thought their most likely outcome was 2-2 to be honest, though that was with Garoppolo at QB for all the games. I honestly think the Cardinals game with him there was still a bigger upset than against Houston with Brissett, it really is looking more and more like the future beyond Brady could already be there. It will be interesting to see if he is happy to sit until probably the season after next (or longer... Brady's holding up ridiculously well for a 39 year old), but the consistent success of the Patriots for 15 years and chance to keep with Belichick have to be major pull factors. Might also be a benefit that he's from near Chicago, pretty similar to Boston which would offset a want to 'return home' for a west coast or southern state player, e.g. what we saw with Rivers.

Son Of A Vidic

Paully D wrote: »

They could play Belichick QB and I'd be convinced they'd still win...

And I'm predicting Belichick will throw the game winning TD to himself.

Inquitus

What's the pick of the early games this evening? Broncos @ Bengals or Lions @ Packers? please.

OldMrBrennan83

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Realt Dearg Sec

Inquitus wrote: »

What's the pick of the early games this evening? Broncos @ Bengals or Lions @ Packers? please.

Broncos @ Bengals for me, two serious playoff teams and a really interesting match up between the Bronco D and Bengals O. The Lions haven't looked good so far and neither have the Packers. Now, that could make for a good game but it kind of feels like one that will be decided by mistakes. The most likely outcome would seem to be the Packers getting their **** together and whipping the Lions. But in terms of quality, Denver Cinci is more promising on paper.

Paully D

Inquitus wrote: »

What's the pick of the early games this evening? Broncos @ Bengals or Lions @ Packers? please.

Broncos/Bengals or Vikings/Panthers IMO.

coco0981

Take a look at @ESPNNFL's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/780079603847196672?s=09

Hazys

coco1981 wrote: »

Take a look at @ESPNNFL's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/780079603847196672?s=09

Wait is he saying that the $64/4 years he offered of Osweiler was a good deal but the slightly higher offer of $72/4 years the Texans gave him was a bad deal. Weird comment, its not like he pulled his offer from Brock. Brock choose the Texans over the Broncos, Elway was only saved the embarrassment by the Texans being more embarrassing, not that he had the hindsight that Osweiler was going to be over paid. Seems like a douche comment tbh.

Also, its a little early to write off Osweiler after one bad game.

Paully D

Can we talk about Bortles, guys?

I had a stat up before this year's draft that showed that 40% of his total yards and 35% of his total TD's in the NFL have come in the 4th quarter/garbage time with the Jaguars getting blown out which is crazy. He's also 0-9 in games where he throws for over 300 yards.

I said before he got he drafted that his mechanics and his propensity for mind-boggling decision making were huge concerns and 3 years later and he's no closer to sorting either out. IMO he's still making the same errors he made in college.

He has plenty of weapons too. It's not as if he's playing for a franchise that is giving him no chance.

Yet, he never really seems to be questioned all that much by the media or analysts and I've seen him labelled a franchise QB on numerous occasions? To me, his total lack of progression is a massive concern if I'm a Jaguars fan. We are 3 years in now and I just don't see how he takes that leap.

Hazys

TBF there is no media or analysts talking about Bortles because nobody cares about the Jaguars. Smallest market, no history, losing culture so nobody is going to talk about them.

Hazys

Hazys wrote: »

TBF there is no media or analysts talking about Bortles because nobody cares about the Jaguars. Smallest market, no history, losing culture so nobody is going to talk about them.

Ya in fairness I think certain franchises get treated different like ahh bless they are doing very well for them the jags are one of those teams

Billy86

Am I the only one that can't stand this kind of reporting from NFL writers, by the way?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-3-grades-browns-have-perfected-the-late-game-meltdown-cards-get-an-f/

It was Nelson's first multi-touchdown game since December 2014.

I'm not at all claiming it's 'unfair' reporting on Nelson or GB or anything (it happens with all players and teams in the league), but it's just lazy from a reporting standpoint. WOW! His first multi-TD game since December 2014!?!? Yeah... it's also his third game since December 2014. It's just stupidity for effect... would make worlds more sense to comment on his slow start the first two weeks of the season, but no no no - gotta make it since December 2014.


Another major gripe being using random numbers as a marker "the eighth time [QB X] has passed for more than 297 yards and..." -- 297 yards isn't a marker!! Use 300, use 280, etc... not as sure why, but plucking these random numbers just irritates the life out of me!!

thomond2006

You're bombarded by all kinds of stats watching/following NFL.

Shedite27

Paully D wrote: »

Can we talk about Bortles, guys?

Last drive yesterday, needed a score with about a minute on the clock. Commentator said "Bortles can't throw to the middle or take a sack here".
1st play - 5 yard pass over the middle. Clock running
2nd play - Scrambles, gets sacked.

bruschi

Billy86 wrote: »

Am I the only one that can't stand this kind of reporting from NFL writers, by the way?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-3-grades-browns-have-perfected-the-late-game-meltdown-cards-get-an-f/


I'm not at all claiming it's 'unfair' reporting on Nelson or GB or anything (it happens with all players and teams in the league), but it's just lazy from a reporting standpoint. WOW! His first multi-TD game since December 2014!?!? Yeah... it's also his third game since December 2014. It's just stupidity for effect... would make worlds more sense to comment on his slow start the first two weeks of the season, but no no no - gotta make it since December 2014.


Another major gripe being using random numbers as a marker "the eighth time [QB X] has passed for more than 297 yards and..." -- 297 yards isn't a marker!! Use 300, use 280, etc... not as sure why, but plucking these random numbers just irritates the life out of me!!

you're not the only one, I hate that kind of timeline reporting. Same in soccer, X hasnt beaten Y in over 75 years (but we'll conveniently ignore that they have only played twice in the intervening period).

Or like the Nelson one, X scores his first goal in 4 months (ignoring that there was no actual games on over the summer)

helimachoptor

Hazys wrote: »

TBF there is no media or analysts talking about Bortles because nobody cares about the Jaguars. Smallest market, no history, losing culture so nobody is going to talk about them.

Thats it, same for the Titans tbh.

These teams wont be talked about until they are winning consistently

Hazys

Billy86 wrote: »

Am I the only one that can't stand this kind of reporting from NFL writers, by the way?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-3-grades-browns-have-perfected-the-late-game-meltdown-cards-get-an-f/


I'm not at all claiming it's 'unfair' reporting on Nelson or GB or anything (it happens with all players and teams in the league), but it's just lazy from a reporting standpoint. WOW! His first multi-TD game since December 2014!?!? Yeah... it's also his third game since December 2014. It's just stupidity for effect... would make worlds more sense to comment on his slow start the first two weeks of the season, but no no no - gotta make it since December 2014.


Another major gripe being using random numbers as a marker "the eighth time [QB X] has passed for more than 297 yards and..." -- 297 yards isn't a marker!! Use 300, use 280, etc... not as sure why, but plucking these random numbers just irritates the life out of me!!

Some of the stats they spout out are just ridiculous, i was laughing at this one today: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/25/terrelle-pryor-does-something-that-hadnt-been-done-in-57-years/

"Pryor became the first player to have at least 120 receiving yards, at least 30 passing yards, and at least 20 rushing yards in a single game since Hall of Famer Frank Gifford did it on December 6, 1959." Yeah but hes probably the only player since 2002 to have at least 100 receiving yards, at least 25 passing yards, and at least 10 rushing yards in a single game.

Fair enough what Terrell Pyror did was amazing but the most selective stat picking is hilarious. You can always find statistical anomalies when you pick the very filtered parameters.

There was another yesterday, the Jets were 0-66 when down at the half by 14+ points, away from home, against AFC teams lol I'm sure there were a couple of games that the Jets had against NFC teams or at home that would have blown up their cool stat. Also no sh1t, that the Jets are most likely to lose games when down 14+ points at halftime, its the same for most teams.

Realt Dearg Sec

I always think the longer it takes to say what the stat is, the less impressive it becomes.

The most receiving yards in history. Pretty impressive.

The most receiving yards in jets history. Still pretty good.

The most receiving yards by a player with under four years experience playing with the jets on the road in the regular season when there was a harvest moon in the previous three weeks during the post expansion era. Not as good.

D9Male

I have never been a believer in Bortles. I can live with some of the interceptions, but it is stuff like taking sacks at the wrong time that really annoys me.

Stuff like that makes Brady and A-Rod great. They might mess up, but they usually make the right decisions. Bortles strikes me as in the lowest quartile on his decision making.

Christy42

D9Male wrote: »

I have never been a believer in Bortles. I can live with some of the interceptions, but it is stuff like taking sacks at the wrong time that really annoys me.

Stuff like that makes Brady and A-Rod great. They might mess up, but they usually make the right decisions. Bortles strikes me as in the lowest quartile on his decision making.

I remember seeing a documentary on Brady where a college scout mentioned this. He looked over all Brady's high school games and noted that he made the right decisions. Even when it didn't work out it was usually the right choice or he gave the receiver at least a chance at it

krustydoyle

Vereen done for the season

Triceps injury need surgery

Blow for the Giants

jack presley

krustydoyle wrote: »

Vereen done for the season

Triceps injury need surgery

Blow for the Giants

DeAngelo Hall done for the year for the Redskins too.

JaMarcusHustle

helimachoptor wrote: »

TB TE Seferian Jenkins has been released after a DUI it seems. Expect someone will pick him up

Jets have claimed him.

TOss Sweep

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Jets have claimed him.

Surprised he hasn't been banned by the Roger Goodell mafia.

Tristram

The Jets hate TEs. Maybe that is his punishment.

phatkev

Tristram wrote: »

The Jets hate TEs. Maybe that is his punishment.

they literally don't use tight ends unless they're blocking, hense Kellen Davis being the number 1 TE. Its a strange one!

TOss Sweep

phatkev wrote: »

they literally don't use tight ends unless they're blocking, hense Kellen Davis being the number 1 TE. Its a strange one!

Very true as they run a spread offense right which Gailey prefers? Which for the most part unless on short yardage or goalline if running a conventional spread you would go without a TE. Gailey doesn't really have his own offense but has for the most part used a base Spread and has always really tried to adapt to the guy he has which many arguments can be made that this is either a good or bad thing. Really depends on what side of the fence you sit on. I wonder have they got plans to role with more TE sets if Jenkins doesn't see a ban right away. Seems pointless using him as a blocker when that is not his strongest point.

phatkev

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I wonder have they got plans to role with more TE sets if Jenkins doesn't see a ban right away. Seems pointless using him as a blocker when that is not his strongest point.

I read on the Twitter machine that they've had an eye on for a while and apparently they tried to trade for him during the off-season, so I assume they've got some sort of plan. if nothing else he's another big body for the redzone

phatkev

It seems Anthony Davis has retired again

OldMrBrennan83

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helimachoptor

Marcel Reece cut by the raiders

Realt Dearg Sec

Please God somebody tell me that Edelman is going to be QB for the Pats this week? If they were to do that, and win, I think we'd have a new bar for weird, wacky and awesome in the world of the NFL.