The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Knex*

There's another video somewhere that compares Bortles now to Bortles just only last year, and the difference in the throwing motion is very evident. That has to fall on the coaching staff, for me.

Shocking negligence with a young QB.

TOss Sweep

eagle eye wrote: »

Patww79 was talking about his release which for me that is how the ball comes out of your hands. He has been accurate and gets a good spiral on the ball too and this is why I was asking him to explain what he was talking about. .

It's all relative though. A bad throwing motion is going to lead to slow releases or horrible releases.

For me I think every throw he makes looks forced. Now I wouldn't put it down to all him I think there are many factors that just don't help his cause but looking at the Bortles that came into the league and the one that is there now they look like two very different QBs and not in a good way.

OldMrBrennan83

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Itssoeasy

So having read some of the posts about bortles and his throwing motion and the whole mechanics of it. I decided to watch the game on gamepass and I watched the first two drives the jags had. The one word that I kept saying was "slow" as the time he takes from snapping the ball to getting the ball up by his head to throw is very slow. It reminds me of Tim tebow who took an age to get to the point of release.

helimachoptor

Jags offensive coordinator fired

Paully D

Interesting read on how this year's rookies have played thus far, almost halfway through their first season:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-how-all-31-first-round-picks-have-played-this-season/

As we near the midpoint of the season, it’s time to reflect back on the first round of the 2016 NFL draft, with a focus on the production thus far from the top selections. Here we break down the play of every first-rounder (in order of their pick, not by performance). As is the case every season, a handful of players have yet to see the field due to injury or depth-chart spot, while some have made immediate impacts for their teams through the first seven weeks.

1. Jared Goff, QB, Rams (California)
Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

Jared Goff looked pretty lost in the preseason, and doesn’t seem to have ever been close to assuming the No. 1 QB spot for the Rams, no matter how uninspiring Case Keenum has looked in his place. Whether or not this is a long-term issue for Goff remains up for debate, but at the very least, it’s clear the Rams underestimated just how far the rookie was from being ready to play at the NFL level.

2. Carson Wentz, QB, Eagles (North Dakota State)
Snaps: 385

Overall grade: 86.7

If Goff needed anything to put his struggles into sharper focus, the QB that was supposed to have further to go to be NFL ready has hit the ground running. Even after struggling against the Vikings, Wentz has a top-five ranking among PFF’s QB grades, and has looked entirely capable of leading an NFL offense. He has completed 63.8 percent of his passes, despite suffering 10 drops from his receivers.

3. Joey Bosa, DE/OLB, Chargers (Ohio State)
Snaps: 130

Overall grade: 87.4

Finally getting on the field in Week 5, Bosa has been a dominant force for the Chargers. He has 20 total pressures and nine defensive stops in just two-and-a-half games’ worth of snaps, and is generating pressure at a faster rate than Von Miller (doing so against some good NFL pass protectors, too). Bosa is making the whole contract dispute look ridiculous, and is a front-runner for Defensive Rookie of the Year already.

4. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Cowboys (Ohio State)
Snaps: 291

Overall grade: 75.9

Through seven weeks of the season, Ezekiel Elliott leads the league in rushing (703 yards), but much of the heavy lifting has been done by the Dallas offensive line. Only five backs have a smaller percentage of their rushing yards come after contact, and Elliott has broken only 11 tackles. He has played well, but not nearly as well as the box-score stats suggest.

5. Jalen Ramsey, CB, Jaguars (Florida State)
Snaps: 421

Overall grade: 72.3

Ramsey has had good and bad games so far this season for the Jaguars, but definitely flashed the high-level potential that made him such a high draft pick. He has allowed 61.8 percent of the passes thrown his way to be caught and a passer rating of 102.9.

6. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Ravens (Notre Dame)
Snaps: 210

Overall grade: 71.2

Ronnie Stanley didn’t quite live up to the levels he showed in the preseason before injury took him out of the lineup following Week 3. He has only allowed one sack, but has surrendered nine total pressures and three penalties in fewer than half the snaps of some of the other tackles with comparable numbers.

7. DeForest Buckner, DE, 49ers (Oregon)
Snaps: 391

Overall grade: 74.9

DeForest Buckner has been extremely active for the 49ers, but has yet to be as destructive in the NFL as he was at Oregon. He has two sacks, three hits, 12 hurries, a batted pass, and 12 defensive stops, but has struggled to anchor against double teams, in particular, and has been part of a lightweight 49ers’ defensive front that has struggled to stop the run.

8. Jack Conklin, OT, Titans (Michigan State)
Snaps: 476

Overall grade: 86.4

Conklin has been one of the most impressive rookies right off the bat. He has yet to surrender a sack, and has given up just 11 total pressures and a penalty on nearly 500 snaps of NFL action. The Titans do give him a little more help than average in terms of sliding the line that way and providing extra blocking help, but he still performs better than average when they don’t make those adjustments.

9. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Bears (Georgia)
Snaps: 206

Overall grade: 43.9

A versatile player at Georgie, Leonard Floyd has been deployed by the Bears almost exclusively as an outside linebacker in their defense, but has just eight total pressures to his name—even if three of them are sacks. He hasn’t been bad, but the Bears had likely hoped for a little more impact.

10. Eli Apple, CB, Giants (Ohio State)
Snaps: 171

Overall grade: 66.1

Apple has only been thrown at 18 times this season, allowing 11 of those passes (61.1 percent) to be caught. He has yet to notch an interception, but has three pass breakups and is allowing a passer rating of 100.9 when targeted.

11. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Buccaneers (Florida)
Snaps: 380

Overall grade: 68.4

Hargreaves was dominant in the preseason, and while he hasn’t been quite that good in the regular season, he has been a solid starter for the Bucs. Thrown at 37 times—surrendering 25 receptions (67.6 percent)—he has yet to allow a touchdown, and like Apple, has yet to record his first NFL interception.

12. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Saints (Louisville)
Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

A broken fibula suffered in the preseason has kept Sheldon Rankins off the field entirely this season.

13. Laremy Tunsil, G, Dolphins (Ole Miss)
Snaps: 365

Overall grade: 77.2

Laremy Tunsil has played left guard for Miami, but has seen time at left tackle when injuries forced reshuffles along the line. Tunsil has allowed just one sack all season (coming when he was at left tackle), and the past couple of weeks have seen him run-blocking well.

14. Karl Joseph, S, Raiders (West Virginia)
Snaps: 328

Overall grade: 80.0

It took Oakland a couple of weeks to get Joseph on the field, but since then, the former Mountaineer has been a starting member of the secondary and played well, particularly in coverage. He has 10 defensive stops, which leads all rookie safeties, and is the only one of the group with an interception.

15. Corey Coleman, WR, Browns (Baylor)
Snaps: 102

Overall grade: 67.4

Injuries have limited Coleman’s playing time, and right now, he doesn’t even have the most snaps among Browns rookie WRs. He has been thrown at just 12 times, catching seven passes for 173 yards and two touchdowns. Coleman is a big play waiting to happen, but he needs to be on the field to perform.

16. Taylor Decker, OT, Lions (Ohio State)
Snaps: 451

Overall grade: 79.4

Taylor Decker wasn’t somebody that PFF analysts were too high on in the draft process, but so far as a rookie, he has performed reasonably well. Decker has surrendered three sacks, 17 total QB pressures, and has been flagged five times, but many of those have been late in developing, and he actually has a solid pass-protection grade.

17. Keanu Neal, S, Falcons (Florida)
Snaps: 332

Overall grade: 83.7

Neal has brought a presence to the Falcons’ defense that just makes the unit look better when he’s on the field. Capable of delivering big hits, he has eight defensive stops to his name and has been used to cover people one-on-one often. Neal has been thrown at 37 times when in primary coverage—20 more times than any other rookie safety—but has allowed just 51.4 percent of those passes to be caught.

18. Ryan Kelly, C, Colts (Alabama)
Snaps: 502

Overall grade: 78.8

First-round interior linemen are supposed to be safe, solid picks, and so far Ryan Kelly has been that. The former Alabama standout has yet to allow a sack on Andrew Luck, though he has surrendered 12 QB pressures; Kelly’s run blocking has also been impressive. The rookie center hasn’t exactly dominated, but he has been more than solid, which for the Colts’ offensive line is an upgrade over previous seasons.

19. Shaq Lawson, DE, Bills (Clemson)
Snaps: 13

Overall grade: N/A

Shoulder surgery shut Shaq Lawson down before he had a chance to get near the field, but he has just made it back, and Week 7 marked his first NFL snaps. He recorded a hurry and one defensive stop, but 13 snaps is too small of a sample size to give him a fair grade.

20. Darron Lee, LB, Jets (Ohio State)
Snaps: 273

Overall grade: 38.8

Darron Lee has all the athleticism and measurables in the world, but they have yet to translate to quality play on the field. In coverage, in particular, he has been underwhelming; Lee has been responsible for three touchdowns in seven weeks, as well as the most receiving yards of any rookie linebacker.

21. Will Fuller, WR, Texans (Notre Dame)
Snaps: 376

Overall grade: 69.2

An explosive start to his season hasn’t continued as the Texans may have hoped, but much of that has been down to the play of QB Brock Osweiler. Fuller has two touchdowns and 349 receiving yards, but also four drops to his name, catching only 53.3 percent of the passes thrown his way.

22. Josh Doctson, WR, Redskins (TCU)
Snaps: 31

Overall grade: N/A

Josh Doctson’s rookie season has been blighted by injury, and he had only seen the field in two games—the first two of the year—before being placed on IR, ending his season.

23. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Vikings (Ole Miss)
Snaps: 11

Overall grade: N/A

We’re seven weeks into the season and the Minnesota Vikings’ offense—still in need of an impact receiver—has put Treadwell on the field just 11 times. Mike Zimmer has a reputation for bringing young players along slowly, but nothing about this is good for the Vikings in the short term.

24. William Jackson III, CB, Bengals (Houston)
Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

A torn pectoral muscle suffered in the first padded practice quelled Jackson’s rookie impact, and the team is still not sure if he will make it back for any of his first season.

25. Artie Burns, CB, Steelers (University of Miami)
Snaps: 239

Overall grade: 50.1

Much of the downgrades Burns has received have been in the run game, and his six missed tackles lead all rookie cornerbacks, but his coverage has been less than stellar, too. He has allowed 70.8 percent of the passes thrown his way to be caught, and is giving up a passer rating of 108.0 when targeted.

26. Paxton Lynch, QB, Broncos (Memphis)
Snaps: 119

Overall grade: 48.9

Trevor Siemian is the Denver starter, but injury has given Paxton Lynch some snaps in his stead. Nothing Lynch did in those snaps will have anybody writing about a QB controversy any time soon, however. Lynch made a few nice passes, but there was plenty of bad in there, and he looked like a rookie QB in need of development time.

27. Kenny Clark, DT, Packers (UCLA)
Snaps: 147

Overall grade: 70.0

UCLA’s late graduation put Kenny Clark behind the eight-ball from the outset, but he has been improving over the past few weeks, and has begun to make a legitimate impact as a run defender. Clark has just one total pressure on the season as a pass-rusher, but has recorded seven defensive stops, all of which have come in the run game.

28. Joshua Garnett, G, 49ers (Stanford)
Snaps: 149

Overall grade: 47.5

Joshua Garnett didn’t get on the field until Week 5, playing 18 snaps against the Arizona Cardinals, but he has started the two games since. He was completely victimized by Buccaneers DT Gerald McCoy in the passing game, but did well as a run blocker. Garnett already surrendered 13 total pressures in just 100 pass-blocking snaps.

29. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Cardinals (Ole Miss)
Snaps: 25

Overall grade: N/A

A high-ankle sprain has kept Nkemdiche off the field almost entirely. He suffered the injury in camp, and then re-aggravated it almost as soon as he made it back on the field. 25 snaps are too small of a sample size for a fair grade for the rookie.

30. Vernon Butler, DT, Panthers (Louisiana Tech)
Snaps: 64

Overall grade: 71.4

Carolina’s defensive front hasn’t been anything near the unit it was last season, and the Panthers could have done with an impact from Butler off the bench, but that just hasn’t happened. Butler has only played 64 snaps, and has just two total pressures from 46 pass-rushing snaps, along with only one stop in the run game.

31. Germain Ifedi, G, Seahawks (Texas A&M)
Snaps: 189

Overall grade: 35.7

Injury kept Germain Ifedi sidelined until Week 4, but his three games since have been poor, albeit against some tough competition in two of the three contests. Against the Cardinals he was abused by Calais Campbell, in particular, surrendering three QB pressures and a penalty; he also got destroyed quickly on more than one occasion, only for the ball to come out before it became pressure. At this point, Ifedi is more athlete than football player.

Bosa, Wentz and Conklin the highest rate. Ifedi and Lee the lowest. Treadwell is healthy and hasn't been ranked due to lack of snaps which says it all.

Itssoeasy

If I was Stan Kroenke I'd be asking les Snead and jeff fisher and the coaching staff as a whole questions as to why the No1 overall pick is still not ready to start entering week 8 of the season.

helimachoptor

Conklin rated well which is to be expected, he's had a great season so far

Paully D

Saints @ Dolphins confirmed for London next season.

helimachoptor

Come on titans @ Jags

Paully D

helimachoptor wrote: »

Come on titans @ Jags

Confirmed for Thursday Night Football next year. :pac:

Paully D

It's hard not to feel sorry for Roberto Aguayo, or as sorry as one can feel for a professional athlete guaranteed to make over $2m regardless of his performance :pac:

However, he's 7/12 on FG's this season and has missed 2 very costly extra points. In isolation, his missed kicks are probably the difference in Tampa Bay being 3-4 as opposed to 5-2 which they would be if they had won the Rams and Raiders games. :eek:

If he wasn't a high draft pick he obviously would have been cut a few weeks ago, but despite being a 2nd round pick how long can the Buccaneers persist with him for? Do you take the hit now or ride it out in the hope he can eventually settle down and recover?

I suppose his opposite number today in Janikowski is the case in point that the Buccaneers will be holding on to. He missed 10 FG's in his rookie season.

raze_them_all_

Paully D wrote: »

It's hard not to feel sorry for Roberto Aguayo, or as sorry as one can feel for a professional athlete guaranteed to make over $2m regardless of his performance :pac:

However, he's 7/12 on FG's this season and has missed 2 very costly extra points. In isolation, his missed kicks are probably the difference in Tampa Bay being 3-4 as opposed to 5-2 which they would be if they had won the Rams and Raiders games. :eek:

If he wasn't a high draft pick he obviously would have been cut a few weeks ago, but despite being a 2nd round pick how long can the Buccaneers persist with him for? Do you take the hit now or ride it out in the hope he can eventually settle down and recover?

I suppose his opposite number today in Janikowski is the case in point that the Buccaneers will be holding on to. He missed 10 FG's in his rookie season.

Hold on to, PAckers did with our kicker a few years ago when he was dirst and been gold since

OldMrBrennan83

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JaMarcusHustle

Seabass had a tough first year too. I wouldn't be too concerned long term for him, definitely worth holding on to.

Itssoeasy

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Seabass had a tough first year too. I wouldn't be too concerned long term for him, definitely worth holding on to.

Well with him being a second round pick the bucs aren't going to cut him. But I thought it was telling that the bucs went for two after a TD and their rookie kicker standing on the sideline.

helimachoptor

Andre Johnson calling it a day.

Realt Dearg Sec

Hysterical stuff...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000731294/article/seahawks-upset-about-officiating-in-saints-game

"The calls -- or the lack thereof -- were pretty egregious," Sherman said, via ESPN.com. "It's just tough with the penalties. It's tough when you play a team that's averaging seven, eight penalties a game, and they get called for one [actually two] -- an obvious false start in the fourth quarter, which the refs really didn't want to call in the first place."

Check out the big balls on Richard Sherman...

Paully D

Jamie Collins traded to the Browns for a compensatory 3rd rounder.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Something had to have happened behind the scenes surely? They'd had gotten a high comp pick for him even if he had left as a free agent.

TOss Sweep

Paully D wrote: »

Jamie Collins traded to the Browns for a compensatory 3rd rounder.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Something had to have happened behind the scenes surely?

This is fooking insane. By far the best player we have defensively this season

ScummyMan

Paully D wrote: »

Jamie Collins traded to the Browns for a compensatory 3rd rounder.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Something had to have happened behind the scenes surely? They'd had gotten a high comp pick for him even if he had left as a free agent.

What???????

I'm starting to think Belichick is trying to see the craziest deal he can pull off that the media still hail as genius :pac:

Son Of A Vidic

Paully D wrote: »

Something had to have happened behind the scenes surely? They'd had gotten a high comp pick for him even if he had left as a free agent.

That something is Brady is playing better than ever, he's made us Superbowl favourites. So Bill is doing his best to wipe out our defense and make sure it costs us another title.:(

Seriously though I think this move has shocked most Pats fans. That said, Collins hasn't been great this year and has been pretty inconsistent. We drafted Elandon Roberts and he hasn't done a bad job filling in, but losing Collins was not on the radar.

Collins also doesn't have a history of any behaviour/attitude problems so I guessing it's not related to that. I might be wrong but I'm leaning towards it being contractual related. Hightower is our number 1 priority for a contract and if Collins agent has been pushing for unrealistic numbers these past few months, it's quite possible Bill just said "Fúck this, send him to the Browns."

brinty

i just saw the Collins trade pop up on my app..
thats a crazy manouver from the pats,
But can't wait to see how the Browns manage to screw this one up too..

As a cowboys fan concerning that he'll be on their defence for the weekend though..

adrian522

Well he was leaving in free agency anyway so probably thought may as well get a 3rd round pick for him. For Cleveland's end you'd wonder if they have an extension worked out for him?

They'd surely not give up a 3rd round pick for a half a season? Would they?

Hazys

Well it kinda makes sense if you think about it as the Browns are Super Bowl or bust mode this year while the Patriots are rebuilding...wait what?

Hazys

Maybe Jamie Collins was the one who threw the dildo onto the field?

Silver-Tiger

GO BROWNS

Paully D

Brilliant hustle and effort from Revis :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/792897072961912833?lang=en

It has been a while since I've seen a player fall off as quickly from elite as he has.

Realt Dearg Sec

Paully D wrote: »

Brilliant hustle and effort from Revis :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/792897072961912833?lang=en

It has been a while since I've seen a player fall off as quickly from elite as he has.

Listening to him talk about it in interviews, he sounds like he's done. Once someone has it in their head it doesn't even matter if they still have anything in the tank, they'd be better off benching him at this point.

AbusesToilets

That money must have been weighing down, that or his SB ring

j8wk2feszrnpao

Collins trade makes sense, while at the same time it doesn't.

There was mention of the expected money he was looking to make, and it was record setting type of money. If true, he's not been that good. Collins flashes, but I'm not sure he's puts back to back dominant games together; not for elite money.
If Michael Lombardi tweets are true, then it seems he was trying to make big plays (outside of the gameplan) to push for an even bigger contract.

No doubting the guys talents. And he and Hightower look a great package together. Loosing him for such a cheap price hurts.

helimachoptor

assume he'll still be a FA at the end of the season?

Guffy

helimachoptor wrote: »

assume he'll still be a FA at the end of the season?

Ya but i imagine theyd be opening discussions straight away. Basically the pick gives them first crack as far as i can make out.

Hazys

I'm sure the Browns will franchise him worst comes to worst.

Knex*

Imagine waking up one morning, your dream of winning another super bowl still being intact, and then a few hours later being traded to the Browns. Christ.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Knex. wrote: »

Imagine waking up one morning, your dream of winning another super bowl still being intact, and then a few hours later being traded to the Browns. Christ.

Was that his dream though? Or like Revis, was his dream to get well paid when you've already gotten your ring?
Not knocking him if that's the case, it's his life and this will be a big contract for him.

raze_them_all_

If you ain't a big name you should be trying to get every penny going. As often as possible. Big names can leave some meat on the bone as they get big sponsorships

Son Of A Vidic

Knex. wrote: »

Imagine waking up one morning, your dream of winning another super bowl still being intact, and then a few hours later being traded to the Browns. Christ.

No need to feel sorry for him because if he just stayed on script, followed the defensive game plan and hadn't tried his own plays to raise his value, plays that flopped and cost the team. Maybe if he hadn't done all of that, he'd still be waking up a Patriot tomorrow morning. He wanted the money but he wasn't getting it in NE and he is perfectly entitled to maximise his pay day. But doing so to the detriment of the team, isn't going to cut it with Belichick and rightly so.

Paully D

There's a serious amount of backtracking going on regarding Collins, IMO.

He's an excellent player and look, I don't profess to know more about Patriots players than fans who watch him every play week in, week out, but he had been playing well this season and I would find it extremely difficult to change that opinion based on what I have seen so far.

The Lombardi tweets are being brought up as evidence that he was running off script and freelancing but the source of those tweets has to be taken into account also given his personal ties to the organisation and Belichick. He says it happened on the 2nd play yesterday and cost the Patriots 28 yards and that it has been happening all season. Okay, give us some more examples. It's not good enough to give one example and cite that as evidence of it happening all season. I also feel it's completely rubbish on his part to say that Collins hasn't been playing well this season. It's just not true.

Yes the Patriots may not have been willing or able to pay him what he was wanting but they have essentially given away arguably their best defensive player for half a season and a playoff run for a 3rd round comp pick when they could have gotten a, em, 3rd round comp pick for him if/when he left in free agency.

Belichick does a hell of a lot of things right but it is alright to disagree with him sometimes and not everything he does deserves defending. On the face of it, this is a poor bordering on ridiculous move IMO.

Utopia Parkway

Paully D wrote: »

Belichick does a hell of a lot of things right but it is alright to disagree with him sometimes and not everything he does deserves defending. On the face of it, this is a poor bordering on ridiculous move IMO.

Belichick has done a few of those trades that has everyone scratching their heads but generally things work out for him in the long run. Rightly or wrongly he views everyone on the roster as replaceable parts bar Brady. And perhaps Gronk at this stage.

JaMarcusHustle

100% agree Paully and I said as much in the Patriots thread.

He's even being called a locker room cancer now over there.

:Rolleyes:

brinty

Utopia Parkway wrote:

Belichick has done a few of those trades that has everyone scratching their heads but generally things work out for him in the long run. Rightly or wrongly he views everyone on the roster as replaceable parts bar Brady. And perhaps Gronk at this stage.

And Edelman

phatkev

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

100% agree Paully and I said as much in the Patriots thread.

He's even being called a locker room cancer now over there.

:Rolleyes:

I thought only wide receivers got to be locker room cancers?
But seriously, it seems to be a phrase thats consistently used now when a decent player gets traded/cut

Realt Dearg Sec

phatkev wrote: »

I thought only wide receivers got to be locker room cancers?
But seriously, it seems to be a phrase thats consistently used now when a decent player gets traded/cut

The NFL have spent a lot of money raising locker room cancer awareness over the last few years.

brinty

Maybe belichick things he can reform Greg hardy and wants to bring him in??

Son Of A Vidic

Paully D wrote: »

There's a serious amount of backtracking going on regarding Collins, IMO.

Or maybe it's just some fans trusting the comments of a Belichick insider like Lombardi. I myself was shocked by the trade, couldn't make sense of it, but the comments of Lombardi were eye opening and added some sensible context to what happened. If Collins really has been freelancing all season like Lombardi has suggested, then no team can tolerate that. Collins was always next in line after Hightower for the pay day and the way contracts are working out next year, there's no way Collins would get the pay day he wanted. I just thought it wouldn't be on the radar until next July/August.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Paully D wrote: »

but he had been playing well this season and I would find it extremely difficult to change that opinion based on what I have seen so far.

He's played well at times, but he's also been very inconsistent.

Paully D wrote: »

Okay, give us some more examples.

Without access to the play calls, then that's a tough one
But Bill was on WEEI yesterday and he kinda agreed with the suggestions made by Lombardi when questioned on the rumors. It surprised me, as he usually just uses the "best for our team line" (which he also did).

Paully D wrote: »

On the face of it, this is a poor bordering on ridiculous move IMO.

Given the talent of the guy, and the pick for him, it's a loss for the Pats. But if the rumors are true, and the guy is not following the script, aside from benching a guy that will be hitting free agency, a trade had to happen.

Silver-Tiger

Could we see Josh Gordon go the other way for little or nothing today?

Dependent on what the league want to do with him this time.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Could we see Josh Gordon go the other way for little or nothing today?

Would doubt it. He's unlikely to see football anytime soon.
Pats need help on the defense (even more so now with Collins gone) and the OL.

paulie21

Eagles WR, Josh Huff arrested:

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/11/01/josh-huff-arrested-weed-gun/