Homeland Season 5 (US Pace) [** Spoilers**]

another decent episode. Quinn's death punch rocks. although bit of a stretch him ending up being cared for in an immigrant ghetto with jihadists.

josephryan1989

Jareth Merz who plays a villain in the latest episode acted as Simon of Cyrene in The Passion of The Christ!

naughto

magicgal wrote: »

Know might be posting in wrong place - after watching series 4 on netflix.Where can I watch episode 1 and 2 of series 5? They are the ones missing on rte player
Have google watch homeland series 5 instantly online but all the sites you have to give credit card details to watch.Tried itunes but no go - tries amazon but can't watch homeland on it in ireland - grrr!!!!

Have u ever got a kick from an ass

expectationlost

glasso wrote: »

although bit of a stretch him ending up being cared for in an immigrant ghetto with jihadists.

ridiculous

Gary Gurny

Anybody else not give a damn about the love story thing going on between Carrie and her partner!?

Gary Gurny

Gary Gurny wrote: »

Anybody else not give a damn about the love story thing going on between Carrie and her partner!?

kinda pointless but otherwise Carrie would be trawling bars and wiping her privates with towels at the start of every episode - a la homeland pilot.

Precious flower

Yay Quinn yay! Also, how lovely is that doctor that treats him! He looks really familiar to me, anyone know who he is?

honeybear

Precious flower wrote: »

Yay Quinn yay! Also, how lovely is that doctor that treats him! He looks really familiar to me, anyone know who he is?

Go Quinn!

cowboyBuilder

Great episode, question: why would Dar Adal be pissed off at Saul for him linking terrorist names to Mossad 30 years previously ?

I know it's not part of the story, but aren't Mossad and USA close allies ?

expectationlost

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Great episode, question: why would Dar Adal be pissed off at Saul for him linking terrorist names to Mossad 30 years previously ?

I know it's not part of the story, but aren't Mossad and USA close allies ?

yes but a leak is a leak

FloatingVoter

Mossad were (are?) known to play an entirely selfish game and during the Cold War they were infested with Soviet moles. And yes, a leak is a leak...part of being a civil servant is not letting personal political convictions get in the way of work.

Dandelion6

Unless it turns out the jihadis knew Quinn and/or Carrie were in that area and were there to look for them, I'll be massively side-eyeing this season from here on out. It's totally and utterly implausible that he would just happen to be found by one of those guys.

expectationlost

nigthschool always means death

FloatingVoter

So a bunch of Jihadi wannabes just randomly picked up a CIA assassin, saved his life (as you do when you're a flake) then look for a school tour to Syria off the randomer.
And along the way, our idiots drop the name and address of the Middle Easts kidnap treasurer. He gives it out like lucky bags to all the young dudes heading west, don't ya know.
Somewhere in London, Paris, Washington and a cave in Syria a bunch of people are in stitches laughing at this. If ISIL and Washington are looking for common ground, this comedy would be a good starting point.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

nigthschool always means death

just love the way that she didn't give the poor fcuker any warning that she might be dragging him into a potentially lethal situation. And the guy just got an A on his MBA economics module and everything.

FloatingVoter

glasso wrote: »

just love the way that she didn't give the poor fcuker any warning that she might be dragging him into a potentially lethal situation. And the guy just got an A on his MBA economics module and everything.

One less economist in the world. Next week, I suggest lawyer pruning.

marklazarcovic

Gone a bit silly season alright

marklazarcovic

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Gone a bit silly season alright

same last year with the mad goings on in Pakistan from the mid-season-point onwwards. Sure you just have to go with it. It's still decent enough stuff. I do like the fact that they have addressed contemporary issues in a bang-up-to-date way - Syria, Jihadist immigrants, the re-emergence of Russia as a bad guy, the Israelis and their middle-east concerns etc. -> even if the whole Quinn thing in particular is far-fetched. Although maybe it's Quinn that is being set-up here.....

honeybear

Have to watch latest episode tonight-anyone think that Otto and Alison could be in cahoots? I want to trust him, but ...

honeybear

honeybear wrote: »

Have to watch latest episode tonight-anyone think that Otto and Alison could be in cahoots? I want to trust him, but ...

well he (otto during) would have told her that Carrie was still alive surely if they were in cahoots - she didn't know until Saul told her.
kinda coincidental that the Alison character is real-name Miranda Otto and the billiionaire dude is character-name Otto During.

Fred Swanson

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Dandelion6

One thing I'm not getting. If the CIA files contained something that could reveal Alison's double-jobbing, would she not have more to worry about than just Carrie getting hold of it?

PIORUN

what I don't get is...when Carrie used Quinns would be assassins phone to ring his last dialed number Alison answered the phone. did Carrie know it was her voice ? Surely she does but the end last night didn't imply that. Also the file Carrie has, the Russians already have , right? After they killed the hackers friend and the CIA already had it too! seems to be 2 many loose ends this season after a great start.
i need to lie down....

Hyzepher

The files don't implicate Alison - they seem to implicate the Russians in something. They are trying to prevent the documents being published. The CIA aren't analyzing the documents but a reporter/Carrie will.

I can't believe Carrie didn't recognize Alison's voice otherwise she may have made some effort to identify who was at the end of the phone.

Mc Love

Jesus, Alison is the last person I'd be calling if I was carrie. I honestly thought Otto had a heart

tomwaterford

Mc Love wrote: »

Jesus, Alison is the last person I'd be calling if I was carrie. I honestly thought Otto had a heart

I taught meself otto was into her (carrie) and trying to sow a seed of doubt with your man (her bf)...so as he'd break up with her??


I do agree it's strange she arranged to meet Alison and not saul?

Dandelion6

Hyzepher wrote: »

The files don't implicate Alison - they seem to implicate the Russians in something.

So why was she worried about spending the rest of her life in prison if Carrie got hold of them?

expectationlost

think carrie does suspect alison she just really wants to know what happened in iraq *nope she didn't*

The Black Oil

At this rate they ought to have a spin off where Saul simply shouts fcuk you at people.

PIORUN

PIORUN wrote: »

what I don't get is...when Carrie used Quinns would be assassins phone to ring his last dialed number Alison answered the phone. did Carrie know it was her voice ? Surely she does but the end last night didn't imply that. Also the file Carrie has, the Russians already have , right? After they killed the hackers friend and the CIA already had it too! seems to be 2 many loose ends this season after a great start.
i need to lie down....

yeah - I had forgotten about that.... maybe Alison was still putting on the dodgey Austrian Clinic accent and Carrie didn't recognise her!

Fred Swanson

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well obviously Carrie didn't recognise Alison's voice back at the plane bombing scene then - a bit weird - why have that scene then? I was right on the Quinn being set-up thing and that the Russians had something over yer wan Alison. The whole ten years back to Iraq thing is a bit lazy. Altogether it's madly ridiculous but still fun to watch.

kayevajo

Can't believe brody was in that episode!

WinnyThePoo

kayevajo wrote: »

Can't believe brody was in that episode!

Was he?

Fred Swanson

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pickarooney

God that acrobat guy is an awful actor!

Aimeee

Who is the acrobat guy? I think I need to rewatch the last couple episodes. Think i missed a lot.
Is Otto trying to put Jonas off Carrie as he likes her himself?
I find it hard to believe that they jump on Saul immediately without question, senior member if the organisation etc and Alison is trusted without question.

bnt

Allison's stint in Baghdad had been successful from the US point of view; they didn't know that she'd been turned, and hadn't done anything to arouse suspicion since then. As her Russian handler hinted, she would be getting Russian intel that made her look good - better at her job than she actually was.

There are suggestions that Allison has expensive tastes and money problems e.g. they show her casually buying a $600 handbag online. It was money that compromised her in Baghdad. Government employees, even at her level, aren't paid enough to fund a lavish lifestyle.

Can someone remind me - was Carrie married before or using a pseudonym? In Baghdad she calls herself Carrie Orser.

FloatingVoter

Aimeee wrote: »

Who is the acrobat guy? I think I need to rewatch the last couple episodes. Think i missed a lot.
Is Otto trying to put Jonas off Carrie as he likes her himself?
I find it hard to believe that they jump on Saul immediately without question, senior member if the organisation etc and Alison is trusted without question.

Acrobat sells secrets and his loyalty for cash (suitcases of hard currency were changing hands during the early years of the Iraq omnishambles).
Otto is a billionaire. He plays with people. His motives ?
Saul has a history of creative thinking and has given away secrets at least once. Alison is a smalltown girl with a thing for handbags. Woudn't harm a fly and all that. It is civil service groupthink at it's worst - but very indicative of how traitors have prospered in the past. Look up Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames for examples. On the latter check out The Assets - easily available for download.

ohnonotgmail

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Acrobat sells secrets and his loyalty for cash (suitcases of hard currency were changing hands during the early years of the Iraq omnishambles).
Otto is a billionaire. He plays with people. His motives ?
Saul has a history of creative thinking and has given away secrets at least once. Alison is a smalltown girl with a thing for handbags. Woudn't harm a fly and all that. It is civil service groupthink at it's worst - but very indicative of how traitors have prospered in the past. Look up Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames for examples. On the latter check out The Assets - easily available for download.

yeah but why do you call him "acrobat guy"?

FloatingVoter

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah but why do you call him "acrobat guy"?

? I don't...."Acrobat" is a codename I'd assume. Not a very original one but descriptive of his playboy antics and inability to blend into the background.

recipio

Don't quite get the link between the Russian handler and Allison. He blackmailed her when she offered cash to the Acrobat but it must go deeper than that.? Was that a Russian word she uttered when our baldy Russian entered the room ?

bloominballix

recipio wrote: »

Don't quite get the link between the Russian handler and Allison. He blackmailed her when she offered cash to the Acrobat but it must go deeper than that.? Was that a Russian word she uttered when our baldy Russian entered the room ?

She wasn't offering cash, she was taking it.

recipio

bloominballix wrote: »

She wasn't offering cash, she was taking it.

On mature reflection ..... you are correct.:D
Still a bit fuzzy. I thought she was at her CIA desk in Bagdad. What was the Russian doing there or was it a secret meet. ?

ohnonotgmail

recipio wrote: »

On mature reflection ..... you are correct.:D
Still a bit fuzzy. I thought she was at her CIA desk in Bagdad. What was the Russian doing there or was it a secret meet. ?

Acrobat was a russian agent as well. the russians used him to set her up so she could be turned.

pickarooney

So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

ohnonotgmail

pickarooney wrote: »

So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

??

PIORUN

pickarooney wrote: »

So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

That's a Homer Simpson reference

bnt

recipio wrote: »

Don't quite get the link between the Russian handler and Allison. He blackmailed her when she offered cash to the Acrobat but it must go deeper than that.? Was that a Russian word she uttered when our baldy Russian entered the room ?

No - she said "ya manyak", which (best I can tell) means something like "arsehole" in Arabic and related languages. In Turkish it's derived from the English "maniac". Urban Dictionary says it's Lebanese.

So ... did Allison do it on purpose (since Acrobat was there), or did she temporarily forget her cover? :cool:

edit: have some more Manyak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QbNuATl8Ws

The Black Oil

And the penny drops. Bring on the heat.