Gay Couples.

true567

bb1234567 wrote: »

''Stop playing the "poor me" card and be proud of who you are and what you are or you will never move on. I have several relations who are gay and they don't constantly have to state that they are. They just get on with it and are treated the same as I am''

Sounds to me like you're saying gay people are treated as normal , like your gay family members, and that they should all stop making a fuss about it as they're treated better than they think. Some people CANNOT be proud, due to discrimination even from close friends and family. Some people can never move on. Sometimes this 'poor me' card (which doesn't exist) needs to be played so that gay people can actually be treated like normal people.

What do you mean by "normal people"? Seems a bit hypocritical of you to use such a term...

tayto lover

bb1234567 wrote: »

''Stop playing the "poor me" card and be proud of who you are and what you are or you will never move on. I have several relations who are gay and they don't constantly have to state that they are. They just get on with it and are treated the same as I am''

Sounds to me like you're saying gay people are treated as normal , like your gay family members, and that they should all stop making a fuss about it as they're treated better than they think. Some people CANNOT be proud, due to discrimination even from close friends and family. Some people can never move on. Sometimes this 'poor me' card (which doesn't exist) needs to be played so that gay people can actually be treated like normal people.

You sound like you're craving pity and not equality.

bb1234567

true567 wrote: »

What do you mean by "normal people"? Seems a bit hypocritical of you to use such a term...

You know well what I mean, our society doesn't accept homosexuality as normal. Thats what I mean.

bodice ripper

tayto lover wrote: »

It's in my favourite forum "After hours". Not LGBT issues though.

Talk to the person who started the thread.

I just checked. I have started nine threads ever in After Hours, of which one involved homosexuality, and that was when that eejit sued for being called a homophobe.

The gays aren't in conference somewhere deciding what thread to start next.

bb1234567

tayto lover wrote: »

You sound like you're craving pity and not equality.

Sounds to me like you don't give a rats arse about the hardship many gay people face

tayto lover

bb1234567 wrote: »

Sounds to me like you don't give a rats arse about the hardship many gay people face

If you have an issue with your family then man up and have it out with them.

LDN_Irish

true567 wrote: »

No there will always be some "injustice" somewhere that needs to be corrected with insincere apologies to include everyone in some hypothetical utopian society. People will always hate, and divide its in our DNA so the key is to not let it affect. And thats the point, these quests for social injustice are retarded. Grow thicker skin. Today, there is always some group pointing out what they deem as unfair but in reality people only care about their own specific group (ie blacks, gays) and its over stupid stuff- verbal assault. So, to conclude overpopulation and climate change are more important along with other issues.

How many of your posts since you joined boards have been about overpopulation or climate change, and how many have been about homosexuality? A rough estimate will do.

bb1234567

tayto lover wrote: »

If you have an issue with your family then man up and have it out with them.

This isn't about me. Im lucky enough to be in a position where people around me are okay with it. But as I said, it is extremely naive to assume all gay people are treated as well as I or your gay family members.
And sorry but its all too easy for a straight person to tell us to man up and have it out with our family when your family can be so unaccepting that they'd rather throw you out of the home and never speak to you again than accept your homosexuality.
It is estimated that there are approximately 400,000 lgbt youth in the united states who are homeless as they were thrown out by their parents who had issue with their sexuality. They obviously 'had it out with them' and look where it got them.

tayto lover

bb1234567 wrote: »

This isn't about me. Im lucky enough to be in a position where people around me are okay with it. But as I said, it is extremely naive to assume all gay people are treated as well as I or your gay family members.
And sorry but its all too easy for a straight person to tell us to man up and have it out with our family when your family can be so unaccepting that they'd rather throw you out of the home and never speak to you again than accept your homosexuality.
It is estimated that there are approximately 400,000 lgbt youth in the united states who are homeless as they were thrown out by their parents who had issue with their sexuality. They obviously 'had it out with them' and look where it got them.

If your under 18 years and your family throw you out for being gay then report them. It is illegal.
If someone assaults you physically or verbally or discriminates against you then report them. It is illegal.
There are agencies who deal with this HSE and Garda.

sbsquarepants

B_Wayne wrote: »

When you're part of a group that have fought against being ostracised by society. That's something to be proud of, no? Also, many to this day are ostracised by their families and people in society for being gay. Being open is something to be proud of.

Being open and accepting yes. Being gay no.

They gay acceptance parade, the gay rights parade, the it's deadly being gay parade - I'm all for any of them.
The gay pride parade - is pretty much nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

AnonoBoy

sbsquarepants wrote: »

They gay acceptance parade, the gay rights parade, the it's deadly being gay parade - I'm all for any of them.
The gay pride parade - is pretty much nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

Are they not all the same thing?

true567

LDN_Irish wrote: »

How many of your posts since you joined boards have been about overpopulation or climate change, and how many have been about homosexuality? A rough estimate will do.

Maybe 3 or 4, why are you so butthurt over that?

sbsquarepants

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Are they not all the same thing?

Possibly! As I've said already - it's just semantics with me. My only problem is with the word pride - I say problem, it's not like it keeps me up at night worrying about it:pac:.
I just think it's a stupid thing to call it.

bb1234567

tayto lover wrote: »

If your under 18 years and your family throw you out for being gay then report them. It is illegal.
If someone assaults you physically or verbally or discriminates against you then report them. It is illegal.
There are agencies who deal with this HSE and Garda.

Thats true but its easier said than done to call the police on your family, even if they did do a ****ty thing to you.
Its also very hard to prove verbal assault or discrimination , obviously. All of these things aren't black and white issues, we can't just call the police on bigots to make the problem go away. It will take time and effort to remove the homophobia engrained in our culture. (and all world cultures)

tayto lover

bb1234567 wrote: »

Thats true but its easier said than done to call the police on your family, even if they did do a ****ty thing to you.
Its also very hard to prove verbal assault or discrimination , obviously. All of these things aren't black and white issues, we can't just call the police on bigots to make the problem go away. It will take time and effort to remove the homophobia engrained in our culture. (and all world cultures)

Maybe so but if it takes reporting abuse to get it sorted out then that's the way to go.
I'm all for equal rights for all and will be voting Yes in the referendum but people have to stand up and be counted. You will get nothing but sympathy on these threads but that won't solve your problem.

bb1234567

And to the poster who thought we should abandon gay rights issues and tackle more pressing matters such as climate change, do you also think we should not try to improve situations with regards matters such as racism , animal abuse, homelessness etc?

LDN_Irish

true567 wrote: »

Maybe 3 or 4, why are you so butthurt over that?

I'm not "butthurt" at all. I find it very amusing that about 1 minute of looking through your posts after clicking the "find all posts" button (I like to think of it as an agenda finder) shows that just under a quarter of your posts are on the subject of homosexuality, and none are on climate change or overpopulation, except of course when you're bringing them up to tell people that that's what they should be worrying about instead of gay rights/pride/whatever. Don't you think that's weird?

Pedro Gonzalez

Ive become a homophobe.







Not because of what they do in the bedroom,but because of the fact that you cant turn on the TV,browse the net or even open a fuc*ing paper now without one of them bitching about how society doesn't love them.
I hope this vote gets passed because the hoors will go into meltdown if it doesn't.

The King of Moo

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

Ive become a homophobe.







Not because of what they do in the bedroom,but because of the fact that you cant turn on the TV,browse the net or even open a fuc*ing paper now without one of them bitching about how society doesn't love them.
I hope this vote gets passed because the hoors will go into meltdown if it doesn't.

I've become a hylophobe. Everywhere I go I see them f*cking trees, waving their branches, rubbing their leafiness in my face. I hope they cut all the f*cking rainforests down!

Pedro Gonzalez

The King of Moo wrote: »

I've become a hylophobe. Everywhere I go I see them f*cking trees, waving their branches, rubbing their leafiness in my face. I hope they cut all the f*cking rainforests down!

I hear ya brother and I feel your pain.
I don't want to chop any gays up tho,just maybe get them to pipe down for a while and give us poor breeders some peace.

The King of Moo

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

I hear ya brother and I feel your pain.
I don't want to chop any gays up tho,just maybe get them to pipe down for a while and give us poor breeders some peace.

I don't see how people raising awareness of discrimination against gay people is annoying though, especially to the extent to want to deny gay people the right to marry.

Pedro Gonzalez

The King of Moo wrote: »

I don't see how people raising awareness of discrimination against gay people is annoying though, especially to the extent to want to deny gay people the right to marry.

According to recent polls the referendum will easily pass,so I don't understand the almost constant barrage of pro-homo propaganda around,tbh.
An example is this site-type "gay" into the search bar and you'll get 100,000+ hits.Where as if you put "hetrosexual" into it,you'll get barely 1000.

I've a pain in the hole (pardon the pun) with it and with a bit of luck they'll all ride off into the sunset in a few months when they get hitched.

PopePalpatine

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

According to recent polls the referendum will easily pass,so I don't understand the almost constant barrage of pro-homo propaganda around,tbh.
An example is this site-type "gay" into the search bar and you'll get 100,000+ hits.Where as if you put "hetrosexual" into it,you'll get barely 1000.

I've a pain in the hole (pardon the pun) with it and with a bit of luck they'll all ride off into the sunset in a few months when they get hitched.

Spelling heterosexual correctly might bump up the number of results for you.

reprise

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

According to recent polls the referendum will easily pass,so I don't understand the almost constant barrage of pro-homo propaganda around,tbh.
An example is this site-type "gay" into the search bar and you'll get 100,000+ hits.Where as if you put "hetrosexual" into it,you'll get barely 1000.

I've a pain in the hole (pardon the pun) with it and with a bit of luck they'll all ride off into the sunset in a few months when they get hitched.

Got to admit after reading a few of these threads, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone can do gay outrage quite like the er, straight dudes.

The King of Moo

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

According to recent polls the referendum will easily pass,so I don't understand the almost constant barrage of pro-homo propaganda around,tbh.
An example is this site-type "gay" into the search bar and you'll get 100,000+ hits.Where as if you put "hetrosexual" into it,you'll get barely 1000.

I've a pain in the hole (pardon the pun) with it and with a bit of luck they'll all ride off into the sunset in a few months when they get hitched.

By "pro-homo propoganda," do you mean campaigning for and commenting a major referendum to allow gay people the right to marriage for the first time?

I can understand them wanting to achieve this historic landmark, but couldn't they do it in private, behind closed doors where we don't all have to be aware of their campaigning and reporting of continued discrimination?

Pedro Gonzalez

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Spelling heterosexual correctly might bump up the number of results for you.

Sorry,should have typed in "breeders" instead.
Isn't that what certain members of your community refer to us as?

PopePalpatine

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

Sorry,should have typed in "breeders" instead.
Isn't that what certain members of your community refer to us as?

I'm straight, actually. The only time I've ever heard the term "breeders" being used by LGBT people as an insult as a retaliation against a homophobe.

reprise

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'm straight, actually. The only time I've ever heard the term "breeders" being used by LGBT people as an insult as a retaliation against a homophobe.

Seeing as you are an expert, please explain what the insult means.

Pedro Gonzalez

The King of Moo wrote: »

By "pro-homo propoganda," do you mean campaigning for and commenting a major referendum to allow gay people the right to marriage for the first time?

I can understand them wanting to achieve this historic landmark, but couldn't they do it in private, behind closed doors where we don't all have to be aware of their campaigning and reporting of continued discrimination?

Moo-you're only dripping with sarky vibes.
What's your angle?
Do I have to have a root through your posts to get a handle on ya or will you nail your colours to the mast?

The King of Moo

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

Moo-you're only dripping with sarky vibes.
What's your angle?
Do I have to have a root through your posts to get a handle on ya or will you nail your colours to the mast?

Ooh, you've figured me out! All right, I'll come clean...


... I'm not homophobic!!

Phew!! there, I said it!

Cody montana

Don't know why gay prides bother people.
Just avoid town on that day.

Pedro Gonzalez

The King of Moo wrote: »

Ooh, you've figured me out! All right, I'll come clean...


... I'm not homophobic!!

Phew!! there, I said it!

Well good for you,Mr.Moo!

bb1234567

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

Ive become a homophobe.







Not because of what they do in the bedroom,but because of the fact that you cant turn on the TV,browse the net or even open a fuc*ing paper now without one of them bitching about how society doesn't love them.
I hope this vote gets passed because the hoors will go into meltdown if it doesn't.

Sorry if us trying to gain the same rights as you puts in on your day

bb1234567

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

Sorry,should have typed in "breeders" instead.
Isn't that what certain members of your community refer to us as?

wtf..nobody calls straight people that. That would be like the worst insult.

Rory28

Nothing like a gay thread yo get the blood boiling. It was asked a few pages back by a few posters. Why should we be proud of being gay? Its quite simple really. How many lgbt teens commit suicide because they are ashamed to come out? How many lgbt people were told to "man up" (really hate the phrase BTW) before killing themselves?

We show pride so others can see there is nothing wrong with being gay. We show pride so teens can see it will get better. But most importantly, to me, I show pride because l like our community. I'm proud of it.

I won't be quiet until we are equal.

karaokeman

Its less noticeable because gays are the minority in society.

Personally I've seen a few same sex couples holding hands, shifting on nights out, last summer I even saw two girls lying on Trinity Green eating the face of one another and to me they're all the same as heterosexual couples, just two people who love one another and that's all that matters.

Pedro Gonzalez

bb1234567 wrote: »

Sorry if us trying to gain the same rights as you puts in on your day

I accept your apology and best of luck with the referendum.

Pedro Gonzalez

Rory28 wrote: »

Nothing like a gay thread yo get the blood boiling. It was asked a few pages back by a few posters. Why should we be proud of being gay? Its quite simple really. How many lgbt teens commit suicide because they are ashamed to come out? How many lgbt people were told to "man up" (really hate the phrase BTW) before killing themselves?

We show pride so others can see there is nothing wrong with being gay. We show pride so teens can see it will get better. But most importantly, to me, I show pride because l like our community. I'm proud of it.

I won't be quiet until we are equal.

you're playing low balls there,horse!
Don't be such a drama queen.

Rory28

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

you're playing low balls there,horse!
Don't be such a drama queen.

I don't take suicide lightly.

bb1234567

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

you're playing low balls there,horse!
Don't be such a drama queen.

The ooze of hetero privilege coming from this thread makes me want to be sick

One eyed Jack

Rory28 wrote: »

Nothing like a gay thread yo get the blood boiling. It was asked a few pages back by a few posters. Why should we be proud of being gay? Its quite simple really. How many lgbt teens commit suicide because they are ashamed to come out? How many lgbt people were told to "man up" (really hate the phrase BTW) before killing themselves?

We show pride so others can see there is nothing wrong with being gay. We show pride so teens can see it will get better. But most importantly, to me, I show pride because l like our community. I'm proud of it.

I won't be quiet until we are equal.

Well if you're not going to be quiet, at least be armed with the facts.

Suicide hasn't been a criminal offence since 1993, so the term to 'commit suicide' no longer applies.

Was the question rhetorical, or do you actually have any figures to hand. I assume you at least are armed with that information if as you say yourself, take suicide seriously.

Call me cynical, but it pisses me off when people bandy around suicide, soapboxing and pushing their own agenda, or did you think you're the only person who gives a damn?

Renegade Mechanic

Rory28 wrote: »

I don't take suicide lightly.

Neither does everyone else.

Pedro Gonzalez

bb1234567 wrote: »

The ooze of hetero privilege coming from this thread makes me want to be sick

The whiff of homosexual persecution complex makes me want to shout out "ah for fu*k sake,not again"

Lux23

I live in Dublin so quite a bit. I know of a few gay couples that live in small villages who are involved in their local community.

Rory28

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well if you're not going to be quiet, at least be armed with the facts.

Suicide hasn't been a criminal offence since 1993, so the term to 'commit suicide' no longer applies.

Was the question rhetorical, or do you actually have any figures to hand. I assume you at least are armed with that information if as you say yourself, take suicide seriously.

Call me cynical, but it pisses me off when people bandy around suicide, soapboxing and pushing their own agenda, or did you think you're the only person who gives a damn?

You're cynical. Would you like links to the depressing reality of irish lgbt suicide rates? A simple Google search and you will have all you need.

bb1234567

Pedro Gonzalez wrote: »

The whiff of homo persecution complex makes me want to shout out "ah for fu*k sake,not again"

Unfortunately its not a complex but what many gay people suffer everyday. Though you wouldn't care about that.

One eyed Jack

Rory28 wrote: »

You're cynical. Would you like links to the depressing reality of irish lgbt suicide rates? A simple Google search and you will have all you need.

I'm aware of the statistics already thanks. I don't need google when I have access to a breakdown of the Irish figures first hand, not just for LGBT youth demographics, but across all sections of Irish society.

Rory28

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm aware of the statistics already thanks. I don't need google when I have access to a breakdown of the Irish figures first hand, not just for LGBT youth demographics, but across all sections of Irish society.

What? Good for you?

Pedro Gonzalez

Lux23 wrote: »

I live in Dublin so quite a bit. I know of a few gay couples that live in small villages who are involved in their local community.

As they are perfectly entitled and right to do.
There's a few of them on here that could do with a few days shovelling some flower beds,mixing with the straights and sprucing up their villages.
They might change their attitudes then when they realise not everyone wants to chuck them into a mincer.

One eyed Jack

Rory28 wrote: »

What? Good for you?

Yes, it is, because it allows me to remain objective when someone comes out with ridiculous comments about suicide just to add some measure of validity to their opinion.