Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

XPS_Zero

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

“Won’t someone think of the poor penguins”

I think it's some kind of endangered snail they are usually worried about


This is too good an idea, I'm sure the first time election candidates and every single council candidate will be out any minute now to object that the track does not run a spur out to Swords to collect pensioners from their front door



Most of the current crop don't seem to be able to open their mouth without pandering.

thomasj

Interesting to see if the journey planner is correct , last PPT service to serve drumcondra will be around 9pm friday night (spice girls will be on that night.) They will run from Connolly straight through the tunnel

Maynooth line services will serve drumcondra as normal on the night.

Jamie2k9

thomasj wrote: »

Interesting to see if the journey planner is correct , last PPT service to serve drumcondra will be around 9pm friday night (spice girls will be on that night.) They will run from Connolly straight through the tunnel

Maynooth line services will serve drumcondra as normal on the night.

It is correct. I assume its for crowd control with extra Maynooth operating.

Paddico

Are their any plans the increase the no of trains per hour.

I also see the mention of a station in the Phoenix Park. Pie in the sky really but any update on a station at Heuston, Heuston West I believe?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467583#Comment_118467583

Well the medium-term project is DART+ South West.

Details here: https://www.dartplus.ie/en-ie/projects/dart-south-west

It should move to the railway order application being made to ABP later this year.

sheff the ref

Can anyone explain why the Commuter Trains from the Dublin Cork line only go to Heuston at Weekends and do not use the Phoenix Park Tunnel?

Surely with matches in Croke Park it would make sense to have a Park and Ride commuter service to Drumcondra from places like Sallins & Naas etc.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250973#Comment_119250973

Insufficient drivers to run the additional services at weekends.

That should be addressed as more drivers pass out.

sheff the ref

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250981#Comment_119250981

Thanks. It would be a welcome addition to the range of weekend commuter services

petronius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250973#Comment_119250973

In the past there were special trains to Drumcondra for Hurling and Football matches at Croke Park from the south using the phoenix park tunnel - they should be in place for big match days and garth brooks concerts;) they seemed to be able to do it 100 year ago but not now.

Maybe even the Kerry team could use it avoid the high hotel charges;)

AngryLips

Gotta laugh at this thread ...still waiting for those "4 trains per hour". The promise versus the reality of PPT is what gives me pause for concern on future rail projects like Dart Plus.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254656#Comment_119254656

If you read the original article it said four trains per hour at peak times.

That was delivered.

Ronald Binge Redux

ah - a “get out of jail free” card that. Peak times. Are new drivers employed at peak times only? The GDA is clearly a long way from having proper turn up and go suburban rail services *on its existing lines* - never mind any new rail and metro services that will continue to be kicked thirty years down the track for whatever excuse is deemed worth making at any time.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266688#Comment_119266688

But that was what was in the article - the paper made the headline not Irish Rail.

At the time there were insufficient drivers for anything more than the peak services.

As more new drivers pass out, the services are increasing. They are completely constrained by the number of drivers, and not all of the new recruits have stayed either.

TheWonderLlama

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/110017158#Comment_110017158

but what if the lions dig into the tunnel, Joe?

Paddico

Any mention of when work on Heuston West Station is going to commence?

p_haugh

It's part of the Dart+ South West Railway Order, so whenever that gets approved and a contractor is appointed, construction can start. And even then it may not be one of the initial phases to be worked on.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574823#Comment_120574823

Preparatory works started a couple months ago. Slow process though, I'd imagine.

NewbridgeIR

Is there any issue if I buy a return ticket from Newbridge to Dublin City Centre (alighting at Heuston & then getting the Luas) but come back via Pearse on a Phoenix Park Tunnel service?

Return ticket is same price for Newbridge to Dublin City Centre and Newbridge to Dublin Pearse

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120729225#Comment_120729225

No - both are valid routes.

kc56

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120729288#Comment_120729288

the City Centre ticket also includes the 145 bus as far as the canal at Leeson St. Rail to Grand Canal Dock, Luas to Mayor St.

yer man!

Is the speed restriction on the tunnel section going to be revised as part of DART south west?

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120797299#Comment_120797299

Is the tunnel section that long that a speed restriction would make much difference?

yer man!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120866957#Comment_120866957

It's painful going through it at the moment and the train seems to maintain very low speed almost to Drumcondra before entering at Heuston. If they can limit it to the tunnel only then I guess it won't make too much of a difference.

LXFlyer

Line speed is 30mph from Islandbridge Junction to North Strand Junction, but with a restriction of 20mph through the tunnel.

densification

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120797299#Comment_120797299

From what I could see, no. Despite the track being perfectly straight for a mile just north of the tunnel.

Don't want to be cynical, but I think there is a reason IÉ want the PPT to be slow...

Jamie2k9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877856#Comment_120877856

While outside the tunnel could be a bit faster it's pointless as you will just run into congestion to get into Connolly. EMU will have better acceleration but that will be wiped out with all the proposed new stations.

Isn't the issue inside the tunnel the tracks are to close together.

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877981#Comment_120877981

Surely congestion would be a result of poor timetabling and not as a result of faster speeds.

trellheim

With a station due to be located on that straight, 20 mph into a tunnel at one end and a tight enough bend at the other, not that much time can be gained over a mile or so.

Jamie2k9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120878356#Comment_120878356

I am first to criticise IE schedulers however I have some leeway here. With a 10 minute DART and having to cross both North and South bound lines at Connolly its very difficult and limited though platfroms at Connolly.

The NTA and IE should never have started the DART schedule without capacity enhancements. The City Centre Re-Signilling project has delivered nothing. ATO might help in the city centre in future.

lucernarian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120890263#Comment_120890263

It seems to be a cosmetic speed restriction given the track is new CWR and straight with no visibility issues. Having the eastern tunnel to Glasnevin junction at 50mph would take a minute or two off journey times even with a cabra west stop thanks to the benefits of electric acceleration. And is every service going to stop there? I don't see why train movements, freight etc has to run at 30mph if the line can do more.