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Ecstasy and Ketamine are currently legal

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    <snip> this is not the place to advertise </snip>

    EDIT: forgot to say I was joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    So you have no problem with some one who imports tons of heroin or meth and makes millions of the suffering for fellow humans ? As long as he is an alright guy that is

    Lots of the misery caused by drugs illegality. Costs the state in terms of enforcement, incarceration, treatment and drug related crimes. Not sure about making all drugs legal, for one thing most of the new virtual untested chems would not be of interest to most people if they had access to some of the safer drugs. Governments are starting to do a u-turn with regards to LSD and MDMA and recognizing their potential for treatment for things like depression. Funny thing is they were used for just that before they were made illegal.
    United State, a country known for it's staunch position on the war on drugs, was historically strongly opposed even to the potential medical benefits of medicinal marijuana, now several state have legalised, for just that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭Redmen Rafalution


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    This is great stuff altogether. All the imbeciles will kill themselves.

    I'm all for this period actually. Let darwin work with free hands for a few days.

    If you genuinely think a few hours of these drugs being legal will lead to all the 'imbeciles killing themselves', then you are closer to a Darwin award than they are.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭househero


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    So you have no problem with some one who imports tons of heroin or meth and makes millions of the suffering for fellow humans ? As long as he is an alright guy that is

    It wouldn't be worth millions if it was legal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭househero


    benefits of medicinal marijuana, now several state have legalised, for just that.

    Washington and Colorado have legalized weed, for fun too. Legal for everybody above legal age. You don't have to pretend to be depressed or ill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    househero wrote: »
    It wouldn't be worth millions if it was legal
    The illicit trade in cigarettes is worth hundreds of millions of euro in Ireland, even though cigarettes are legally available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    househero wrote: »
    It wouldn't be worth millions if it was legal
    The illicit trade in cigarettes is worth hundreds of millions of euro in Ireland, even though cigarettes are legal.

    You can walk down by Busáras and purchase methadone or heroin, even though methadone is supplied legally by the health services, funded by taxpayers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭IrishSkyBoxer


    Only losers take drugs anyway


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    conorh91 wrote: »
    The illicit trade in cigarettes is worth hundreds of millions of euro in Ireland, even though cigarettes are legally available.

    A 500% tax will do that to anything. Look at garlic man.
    conorh91 wrote: »
    You can walk down by Busáras and purchase methadone or heroin, even though methadone is supplied legally by the health services, funded by taxpayers.

    :confused:
    Methadone is supplied for addiction treatment. Methadone ≠ heroin.

    I wonder how the illegal marijuana trade is getting on in Colorado? And how are the bootleggers getting on these days with moonshine whiskey?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Dont call me Shirley


    Our leeching lawyers are gonna make a fortune outta this. :eek:

    Funny how the Trioka demanded we bring in water charges and reform our legal system.

    Yet we're only hearing about water charges


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe




    sorry... I apparently just can't help myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    nm wrote: »
    A 500% tax will do that
    Ah so not only do you want drugs legalized, you want drugs to be kept cheap too?

    Tobacco consumption is estimated to cost Ireland €3.5 billion per annum, €500 million of which is direct costs to the HSE. Taxation from tobacco doesn't pay for the economic costs of smoking, even at the present high rate of taxation.
    Methadone is supplied for addiction treatment. Methadone ≠ heroin.
    Methadone is sold in areas of Dublin city centre by individuals on takeaway treatment programs. Its effects mirror those of street-heroin, being lower in magnitude but longer lasting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    Eezer good, Eezer good, he's Ebeneezer good ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    the netherlands gives addicts heroin instead of methadone. it has been a roaring success.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Hooked


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭househero


    conorh91 wrote: »
    The illicit trade in cigarettes is worth hundreds of millions of euro in Ireland, even though cigarettes are legal.

    If they were illegal, they would be worth billions. What's your point?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,938 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Lad who works for Fm 104 is taking ecstasy live tonight.

    Idiot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Lad who works for Fm 104 is taking ecstasy live tonight.

    Godspeed young man, godspeed!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    And the poor ole humble-weed is Illegal, I may as well try crystal meth tomorrow so seeing that its legal for 48 hours :) get that into ye Cincinnati.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Ah so not only do you want drugs legalized, you want drugs to be kept cheap too?

    This is all fairly off-topic, but they're currently priced according to risk, so they're not cheap (relative to what it would cost to legally manufacture them).

    The prices could be left at "street prices" and still be an absolutely enormous take for the exchequer, at the expense of criminal gangs the money currently goes to.
    conorh91 wrote: »
    Tobacco consumption is estimated to cost Ireland €3.5 billion per annum, €500 million of which is direct costs to the HSE. Taxation from tobacco doesn't pay for the economic costs of smoking, even at the present high rate of taxation.

    I'm not supportive of tobacco, I just pointed out using the garlic man as an example that a huge% tax on anything at all will cause some scale of black market.

    I'd be in favour of using something like David Nutt's researched scale of harm for legislation/regulation. You know, one that is backed up by research and science into actual harm and affects.. but I won't hold my breath.
    conorh91 wrote: »
    Methadone is sold in areas of Dublin city centre by individuals on takeaway treatment programs. Its effects mirror those of street-heroin, being lower in magnitude but longer lasting.

    I know exactly what it is, which is why your reference doesn't make sense. They're addicted to heroin, that's why there is a black market in the weaker methadone. They can't go back to their chemist and demand more methadone (or heroin, obviously) can they?
    Neither are sold recreationally at all. It's an invalid comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    horse tranquillisers are now legal to imbibe in this state , whilst mild forms of weed are illegal - shows how out of touch the judiciary (the people who rule this ****ing state) are . The devastation of addiction is only encountered across the safe halls of a courthouse , but certainly not in there Ballsbridge neighbourhood.
    Sometimes the law really is an ass


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭thunderdog


    One of my personal favourites



    Look at the happiness on that face


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    Ketamine is primarily used to sedate humans in a medical setting for the relief of pain. It's a sedative. The labeling of it as solely a "horse tranquiliser" is very misleading.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Lad who works for Fm 104 is taking ecstasy live tonight.

    Idiot.
    yep, definitely an idiot, everyone knows Tuesday is a rubbish night for clubbing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Macavity. wrote: »
    Ketamine is primarily used to sedate humans in a medical setting for the relief of pain. It's a sedative. The labeling of it as solely a "horse tranquiliser" is very misleading.

    It's primarily used to make humans think the table in the room is far too bendy than it should be, and that they should probably not stand on the table as it's too bendy, and they'll probably end up bendy, if they stand on the table that is bendy, but they still want to stand on the table because they're feeling bendy, and standing on it might make both them and the table less bendy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Probably best to avoid town tonight. I'd say every scummer out there is off their face taunting the gards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Gotta love how the foreign media are reporting on this.
    'Ireland accidentally legalizes Ketamine and Crystal Meth'

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/ireland-accidentally-legalised-ecstasy-ketamine-and-crystal-meth-2015-3?r=US
    Ecstasy, ketamine, and crystal meth are legal in Ireland for one day only

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/10/8183809/ireland-ecstasy-mushrooms-meth

    lmao. Vox make it sound like some sort of druggy equivalent of The Purge

    I'm not even mad. This shit is hilarious...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Crystal Meth wasn't/isn't affected in the slightest.

    Where do they get this stuff from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Wide Load


    If anyone has a spare wall they could lend it would be appreciated. I'm after chewing though mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭IrishSkyBoxer


    Cost to the health sector over the next 48 hours will be insane. Can't imagine what emergency departments are going to look like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Cost to the health sector over the next 48 hours will be insane. Can't imagine what emergency departments are going to look like.

    I don't think it's going to be huge tbh. Maybe if it were the weekend...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Gotta love how the foreign media are reporting on this.

    in fairness, most sane countries start by legalising softer drugs , but not us - we are legislated by bafoons up in the High courts , who have no idea about getting high, addiction , drug culture good or bad - just a knowledge of good brandy legal loopholes whilst legislating over our banana Republic, with a tidy stipend


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    So what was unconstitutional about the law anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc


    iDave wrote: »
    Probably best to avoid town tonight. I'd say every scummer out there is off their face taunting the gards.
    Cost to the health sector over the next 48 hours will be insane. Can't imagine what emergency departments are going to look like.

    I highly doubt that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,971 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    bjork wrote: »

    Song name? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    Cost to the health sector over the next 48 hours will be insane. Can't imagine what emergency departments are going to look like.

    Don't see anyone going out and doing drugs that wasn't so inclined anyway just because it's legal to be fair. Worst case scenario some punter does mushrooms and has a row with his goldfish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    So what was unconstitutional about the law anyway?

    I think the "illegality" is the fact that new drugs were just added to the list by ministers rather than voted on. Seems like a spurious argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    If there is some massive spike in drug related injuries, this will be harped on about for ages by the anti-legalisation cronies.

    "Don't legalise marijuana, sure look at what happened to the poor kids when they made ecstacy legal and they all got in that bus and then drove it to Cavan for a rave! And young Mary's lad went and ate a handful of radox or bath salts or something and he was found four days later, knee deep in Bovril in Birr!!!"


  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Going by some posters naivete, you would swear the drug culture only came into existence this morning. No the A+E won't be clogged up, natural selection won't take place, but you can be damn sure this inadvertent move of competency will be reversed to continue wasting money fighting the war on stoners and recreational drug users :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    brianblaze wrote: »
    ............ And young Mary's lad went and ate a handful of radox or bath salts or something and he was found four days later, knee deep in Bovril in Birr!!!"

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Bovril_poster_c1900.jpg/396px-Bovril_poster_c1900.jpg


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