Jeremy Clarkson suspended

syklops

BMMachine wrote: »

Chris Evans is too nice to appeal to the spiteful negativity that is most 25 years old + top gear fans

:rolleyes:

Brendan Bendar

jimgoose wrote: »

I think The Stig, as a professional racing driver, is essential in shows like this. Other formats like Performance Bikes magazine use the likes of Michael Rutter and Bruce Dunn for tyre and sportsbike comparisons to ensure both objectivity and consistency.

Ok I wasn't sure what his role was, I'll buy that explanation James.

Kev W

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Why the hate, Goosy?

Just reporting like.

No need surely.

The two fat lads and the little fella are history

Like I predicted:D

Ah now, be fair.

They're all fat.

Littlehorny

Did i hear it right that after all the loyalty that May and Hammond showed Clarkson, he is going to make a new car show and the other two aren't invited?

anncoates

Re: Chris Evans, if true. You have to applaud them for unerringly unearthing another identikit middle-aged Peter Pan fcukwit to replace JC.

jimgoose

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Ok I wasn't sure what his role was, I'll buy that explanation James.

You'd be surprised how difficult it is to be totally consistent from vehicle to vehicle even on the same track. Racing drivers have the skills and experience to do this.

I apologise for calling you names yesterday, that was bang out-of-order. I've deleted the (most!) offending post.

Agricola

Eutow wrote: »

Old Top Gear was stuck in the 1980's. Before the 2002 revamp, Top Gear was a 30 minute program and used to be like a visual Auto Trader, with them reviewing trackers and buses. It can't go back to that because it will fail. The success of the revamped Top Gear was because of the joking around between the three presenters who are friends in real life, the stunts and the challenges. You can't act or pretend that sort of friendship. Old Top Gear was boring in comparison.

Yes, old Top Gear was just a review show for petrol heads, very much only suited to an early evening weekday slot. Its transformed into a primetime entertainment show so that's where it has to stay. I think it can appeal to enthusiasts and casual viewers too. The revamped Top Gear managed this fairly well in the earlier years before it descended into wall to wall, forced nonsense. There is surely room for serious motor journalism in between all the clowning around and challenges. I don't know how much 'serious' Chris Evans will be interested in though. My only experience of him is TFI Friday and if that's where Top Gear is going, god help us all!

Eutow

A program that mixes the best bits of Wheeler Dealers and the challenges / sports cars in Top Gear?

Agricola

Maybe. Again what sells Wheeler Dealers is largely the real life friendship between to the two lads. So many successful programmes are based on that. (Billo, Giles and Dunphy ) So if they don't get suitable people to join Evans it may be doomed anyway.

Format wise, I think all Top Gear essentially needs to be is car porn. Apart from the presenters, it's big selling point is it allows us mere mortals to see the most desirable cars in the world, usually in some of the most beautiful locations in the world. So have the odd trip / race around Italy in a couple of Ferrari's etc etc. Have the odd challenge incorporating some exotic/harsh/weird locations around the world. Do some actual reviews of some normal cars which people might actually buy, but put a slant on it to make it appealing to the casual viewer. The Stig. Star in a reasonably priced car. If Evans can add to that he's a good bit of the way home already. But his co-hosts are crucial if its not going to be a turd.

fergiesfolly

Chris Evans
Guy Martin
Edd China/ Ant Anstead ( For The Love Of Cars)

That would be my ideal line-up now.
Loads of petrol head knowledge and a fair bit of banter between Evans and Martin too I'd say.

Sleepy

Agricola wrote: »

Maybe. Again what sells Wheeler Dealers is largely the real life friendship between to the two lads.

I agree with everything else you said but what sells Wheeler Dealers is Ed China. If they got rid of Mike Brewer, I suspect it would be a far more successful show.

ScumLord

I don't know about Ed China, he's great in WD because he's sharing his knowledge and you're getting to see an expert work. It's very interesting. I don't know how he'd fare out on Top Gear. I've never seen him outside WD.

Guy Martin would be great but he has a bit of crossover with Ed in that he's also an excellent engineer.

I think they're going to have a girl in there, it's BBC company policy at this stage. Vicki Butler-Henderson is very good on fifth gear. Her Evans and Guy would make a good team, Evans the Clarkson, Guy the new crazy version of May, and viki is an actual race driver and crazy enough in her own right to boot.

I got turned off that "for the love of cars", they don't even try to hide (or are very bad at hiding) how contrived the show is. They keep going on about how pushed for time they are, when in fact they made all the cars at the same time, sold them at the same show, and even sold two cars to the same guy!

uch

anncoates wrote: »

Re: Chris Evans, if true. You have to applaud them for unerringly unearthing another identikit middle-aged Peter Pan fcukwit to replace JC.

He's about as funny as Brucellosis too

Brendan Bendar

jimgoose wrote: »

You'd be surprised how difficult it is to be totally consistent from vehicle to vehicle even on the same track. Racing drivers have the skills and experience to do this.

I apologise for calling you names yesterday, that was bang out-of-order. I've deleted the (most!) offending post.

No worries there James, no offence taken, all forgotten.

syklops

Littlehorny wrote: »

Did i hear it right that after all the loyalty that May and Hammond showed Clarkson, he is going to make a new car show and the other two aren't invited?

Have you a source for this or is it a case of "One of the lads in work was saying..."

Littlehorny

syklops wrote: »

Have you a source for this or is it a case of "One of the lads in work was saying..."

I heard it on a news show a couple of nights ago, just heard a snippet that he is planning to host something, trying to confirm it here.

pablo128

Bad news, for me anyhow. I said in a previous post about how the missus liked Top Gear. Well she has found out Chris Evans is the new host, and she has declared she can't stand him. Oh well.

Discodog

ScumLord wrote: »

I got turned off that "for the love of cars", they don't even try to hide (or are very bad at hiding) how contrived the show is. They keep going on about how pushed for time they are, when in fact they made all the cars at the same time, sold them at the same show, and even sold two cars to the same guy!

Same here. I also felt that it became an advert for his restoration business. They focussed on the auction price but didn't mention how much the restoration cost.

Rhys Essien

Chris Evans just announced on BBC1 that there will be open auditions for his co-hosts.Anyone who knows a lot about cars can apply.

He will have to get this lady back as a guest host.;)

AMKC

Chris Evens I really don,t car what he nows about car,s because can,t stand him either. Tried to watch an episode of TFI last weekend. What a load of rubbish.

Dempsey

AMKC wrote: »

Chris Evens I really don,t car what he nows about car,s because can,t stand him either. Tried to watch an episode of TFI last weekend. What a load of rubbish.

He's probably forgotten more about cars that you'll ever know. If you cant stand him, why did you watch TFI Friday??

Agricola

Sleepy wrote: »

I agree with everything else you said but what sells Wheeler Dealers is Ed China. If they got rid of Mike Brewer, I suspect it would be a far more successful show.

Ed is certainly the brains of the operation, but i think you need a 'showbiz' character as well. I don't think Wheeler Dealers would have become so big without Mike Brewer. He overdoes the aul cockney geezer thing abit but he seems ok.

tipptom

Agricola wrote: »

Ed is certainly the brains of the operation, but i think you need a 'showbiz' character as well. I don't think Wheeler Dealers would have become so big without Mike Brewer. He overdoes the aul cockney geezer thing abit but he seems ok.

Ah no,i think its what Ed shows what he is doing that is the star of the show,Mike could be replaced no problem.


There is a great opening for a show like that where they could show people in detail about replacing easy stuff like shocks brakes etc in an entertaining way.
Even my wife watches it sometimes and say so that's what was done on ours and he charged me so much for that!!


I remember Jocks "The Garage" used to do something similar explain about gears and diffs and how they worked and how they replaced or fixed them.

BMMachine

syklops wrote: »

:rolleyes:

yeah great counter argument there. just prove me more right with a spiteful blasse response

Sever Tomorrow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHz_npzWIAAP0Zx.jpg

Clarkson saying he was asked back before Evans was offered the gig.

BMMachine

Sever Tomorrow wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHz_npzWIAAP0Zx.jpg

Clarkson saying he was asked back before Evans was offered the gig.

when I see The Sun I think of the word "reliable"

SeantheMan

AMKC wrote: »

Chris Evens I really don,t car what he nows about car,s because can,t stand him either. Tried to watch an episode of TFI last weekend. What a load of rubbish.

, ' , ' , ' , ' , '

You have your apostrophes and commas mixed somehow.

BBDBB

DeadHand wrote: »

Those are deeply unfair comparisons to make.

yes, they would be, IF they were actually comparisons, which they aren't


the events happened, in the wake of them, attitudes have had to change and dealing with more minor issues such as Clarkson "fracas" would inevitably be more stringent

Son Of A Vidic

I like Evans but regardless, Top Gear will never be the same without the three amigos. Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to the three lads getting their own new show on the road.

kylith

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Chris Evans
Guy Martin
Edd China/ Ant Anstead ( For The Love Of Cars)

That would be my ideal line-up now.
Loads of petrol head knowledge and a fair bit of banter between Evans and Martin too I'd say.

I don't think Edd China or Guy Martin, much as I love them, would be a good fit on Top Gear, as the show has been in recent years. They're serious mechanics but I've never seen them as speed freaks.

I'd give my left arm to see the pair of them on Scrapheap Challenge though.

pablo128

kylith wrote: »

I don't think Edd China or Guy Martin, much as I love them, would be a good fit on Top Gear, as the show has been in recent years. They're serious mechanics but I've never seen them as speed freaks.

I'd give my left arm to see the pair of them on Scrapheap Challenge though.

You are aware Guy Martin races litre bikes in the Isle of Man TT?

kylith

pablo128 wrote: »

You are aware Guy Martin races litre bikes in the Isle of Man TT?

I am, but there's a difference between racing and what the lads on TG did.

I could be wrong and he'd be great at it, but I get the impression from what I've seen that he takes cars and bikes a more seriously than would be usual on TG.

pablo128

kylith wrote: »

I am, but there's a difference between racing and what the lads on TG did.

I could be wrong and he'd be great at it, but I get the impression from what I've seen that he takes cars and bikes a more seriously than would be usual on TG.

I'd say he'd possibly be good on Top Gear. The problem is you would need subtitles to understand him! :pac:

P. Breathnach

kylith wrote: »

I am, but there's a difference between racing and what the lads on TG did.

I could be wrong and he'd be great at it, but I get the impression from what I've seen that he takes cars and bikes a more seriously than would be usual on TG.

Perhaps Top Gear should evolve - get beyond the overaged adolescent phase. Although engaging Chris Evans suggests to me that the Beeb don't see things the way I do.

I think Guy Martin would do a great motoring programme.

jimgoose

pablo128 wrote: »

I'd say he'd possibly be good on Top Gear. The problem is you would need subtitles to understand him! :pac:

Eee, ah laaahk naace cuppa tea, laaahk!! Thus spake t'Booger-Gripped Wonder. He's one fast fcukan boyo.

fergiesfolly

Guy Martin would be brilliant on Top Gear imo.
Did a great road trip show through India recently and is great in his record breaking attempts show.
Has a good rapport with the camera when presenting and isn't short of a bit of banter.
I'm thinking himself and China would be great for the specialist builds part of the show... electric car, rocket powered mini, cross country mobility scooter would have taken on a different dimension under them.
Much as I enjoyed the old show, I'm really looking forward to the new look Top Gear.

Discodog

Dempsey wrote: »

He's probably forgotten more about cars that you'll ever know. If you cant stand him, why did you watch TFI Friday??

He collects valuable cars. He doesn't have a fraction of Clarkson's knowledge.

AstraOwner

Another Guy Martin fan. I'd love to see him on it but I don't think he's 'professional' enough for the BBC somehow. However you look at Clarkson, Hammond and May, they're very professional about what they do. Guy is Guy. He started a new night job muck spreading last week. That's not even made up.

P. Breathnach

AstraOwner wrote: »

Another Guy Martin fan....

You do understand, I suppose, that there are Top Gear fans who would take the position that your username means that your opinion has no value.

AstraOwner

P. Breathnach wrote: »

You do understand, I suppose, that there are Top Gear fans who would take the position that your username means that your opinion has no value.

There are an awful lot of Top Gear fans P. Breathnach. I've no doubt that some are so stupid.

jimgoose

P. Breathnach wrote: »

You do understand, I suppose, that there are Top Gear fans who would take the position that your username means that your opinion has no value.

Ah don't worry - it might be a VXR, innit?!?

carzony

tiff needell would be great.... if not mentioned already.

Discodog

Apparently Clarkson, May & Hammond had a meeting with ITV.

Brendan Bendar

Discodog wrote: »

Apparently Clarkson, May & Hammond had a meeting with ITV.

Source?

Discodog

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Source?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/19/jeremy-clarkson-set-to-unveil-new-motoring-show-within-weeks

Sleepy

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know about Ed China, he's great in WD because he's sharing his knowledge and you're getting to see an expert work. It's very interesting. I don't know how he'd fare out on Top Gear. I've never seen him outside WD.

Nah, he wouldn't be the right guy for Top Gear at all but I would love to see him doing a "how to" series like tipptom suggested.

Agricola wrote: »

Ed is certainly the brains of the operation, but i think you need a 'showbiz' character as well. I don't think Wheeler Dealers would have become so big without Mike Brewer. He overdoes the aul cockney geezer thing abit but he seems ok.

Yeah, you need a second presenter to do the buying and selling, it's just that it really, really shouldn't be anyone that most of us would rather run over than buy a car from. His whole "cheeky chappy" schtick is painful in the extreme.

tipptom wrote: »

Ah no,i think its what Ed shows what he is doing that is the star of the show,Mike could be replaced no problem.

There is a great opening for a show like that where they could show people in detail about replacing easy stuff like shocks brakes etc in an entertaining way.

Definitely, it's Ed pieces that I watch the show for. It's fascinating to have someone so expert in what he'd doing be able to explain it all in laymans language. Loved the earlier series where he very much focused on how you could approach many of the jobs in your own garage/driveway e.g. using rattle cans to give parts a quick touch-up rather than sending the entire car for a repsray etc.

Brendan Bendar

Discodog wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/19/jeremy-clarkson-set-to-unveil-new-motoring-show-within-weeks

Sorry Disco, pure speculation.

Discodog

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sorry Disco, pure speculation.

But very likely speculation. Clarkson with May & Hammond are a huge draw. It would be inconceivable that ITV wouldn't look at signing them up.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/top-gear-stars-top-secret-5654848

Grandpa Hassan

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sorry Disco, pure speculation.

It's bound to happen though, surely. TV companies dont ust walk away from that kind of enormous fan base unless they are forced to. The trio will be back on the air somewhere. What was their viewership again? I can't recall, but it was huge

Brendan Bendar

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

It's bound to happen though, surely. TV companies dont ust walk away from that kind of enormous fan base unless they are forced to. The trio will be back on the air somewhere. What was their viewership again? I can't recall, but it was huge

Dave maybe.

Nothing personal but the image of three middle aged flubbys in Grandad jeans trying to look cool tells me it's time for change.

Look at Clerys, that's what happened them, didn't move on.

Faded away , just like Clarkson, past sell- by