Jeremy Clarkson suspended

smurfjed

Just remember that most of the people who watched TG didnt have access to BBC, so they watched it on their local channels in the Middle East, Asia and Africa, thats where most of the money was coming from. There is nothing to stop Amazon showing the program on their streaming service and selling it to other broadcasters for terrestrial tv in their areas.

Adamocovic

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Correct Wibbs,eh,.... well spotted...point of course is that they won't be there for the Autumn Schedule on the BBC.

I highly doubt waiting until next year warrants "gone too long". People underestimate Amazon tv. It might not be as big as Netflix but something that is big is the number of Amazon Prime accounts.

I know a lot of people who are Prime users just for deals and delivery and have never used the tv side of things, they all said they will when the new show comes out. I imagine this will happen a lot with many of the millions of Prime users.

Given the large amount of people on the subscription I imagine the new show will do swimingly viewer wise. Will it be as good? Who knows. It will have a larger budget and audience though, and already a three year contract.

Amazon is also throwing lots of funding into the tv side of Prime. With Woody Allen and Ridley Scott both recently announced as being involved in Amazon exclusive programs/movies.

Anyone thinking that the new show will bomb I don't understand at all. Many old viewers of Clarkson, Hammond and May will watch their new show just to see what its about, not counting old fans.

The new format Top Gear could turn out well too and make some good competition for the new show witht he exiles :pac:

Fleawuss

My name is URL wrote: »

People say that as if it's some sort of shocking revelation, when in fact it's the precise reason the show is so popular. It's not a new observation.

The truth is there's no real need for a indepthly informative motoring show these days. Anyone wanting precise technical details of cars has easier access to it now more than ever through the internet.

Top Gear is/was an entertainment show first and foremost. I never watched it because I was overly interested in cars anyway.

You can either love or hate Clarkson, but there's no denying that he and the other two have a great chemistry on screen, and produce something that many people find entertaining.

Nor did I present it as such. My next sentence should have made that clear.

I disagree that there isn't a need for an informative show: there is certainly a need for a segment in any motoring show looking at comparable models and particularly the whole electric and hybrid thing now.

Clarksons buffoonery and the ridiculous road trips generate lots of money. But put it in that order.

ohnonotgmail

Fleawuss wrote: »

Nor did I present it as such. My next sentence should have made that clear.

I disagree that there isn't a need for an informative show: there is certainly a need for a segment in any motoring show looking at comparable models and particularly the whole electric and hybrid thing now.

Clarksons buffoonery and the ridiculous road trips generate lots of money. But put it in that order.

there is already an informative show. its called Fifth Gear. and its as dull as dishwater.

Fleawuss

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is already an informative show. its called Fifth Gear. and its as dull as dishwater.

I'll get my coat.

kneemos

Adamocovic wrote: »

I highly doubt waiting until next year warrants "gone too long". People underestimate Amazon tv. It might not be as big as Netflix but something that is big is the number of Amazon Prime accounts.

I know a lot of people who are Prime users just for deals and delivery and have never used the tv side of things, they all said they will when the new show comes out. I imagine this will happen a lot with many of the millions of Prime users.

Given the large amount of people on the subscription I imagine the new show will do swimingly viewer wise. Will it be as good? Who knows. It will have a larger budget and audience though, and already a three year contract.

Amazon is also throwing lots of funding into the tv side of Prime. With Woody Allen and Ridley Scott both recently announced as being involved in Amazon exclusive programs/movies.

Anyone thinking that the new show will bomb I don't understand at all. Many old viewers of Clarkson, Hammond and May will watch their new show just to see what its about, not counting old fans.

The new format Top Gear could turn out well too and make some good competition for the new show witht he exiles :pac:

Amazon doesn't strike me as being anything other than conservative.
Doubt they'll let out any content that reflects badly on their reputation,so a sanitised version is quite possible.

Adamocovic

kneemos wrote: »

Amazon doesn't strike me as being anything other than conservative.
Doubt they'll let out any content that reflects badly on their reputation,so a sanitised version is quite possible.

It's really hard to know and we'll only find out after it is released. Honestly they are determined to make Prime TV popular so who knows, they might allow it to be the same as before.

Honestly I can't wait to see how both shows do, no doubt the first episode for each will bring in loads of viewers and contain sly jokes at their counterparts.

ThisRegard

I see Oisín Tymon is now suing the BBC and Clarkson for racial discrimination. Hard to see how he'll win this one.

Liam O

kneemos wrote: »

Amazon doesn't strike me as being anything other than conservative.
Doubt they'll let out any content that reflects badly on their reputation,so a sanitised version is quite possible.

Amazon's competition is Netflix, a very liberal company and programming. They'll be left behind with sanitised material.

mathie

ThisRegard wrote: »

I see Oisín Tymon is now suing the BBC and Clarkson for racial discrimination. Hard to see how he'll win this one.

Black boot polish?

Harry Palmr

When did the Irish become a race rather than a nationality?

Nodin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When did the Irish become a race rather than a nationality?

We're an ethnicity apparently.

suicide_circus

Ka-ching!

Thargor

Should have sued for straight up assault and lifetime loss of earnings seeing as his careers probably wrecked. I seriously doubt they'll swallow that he was attacked because he was Irish.

Nodin

Thargor wrote: »

Should have sued for straight up assault and lifetime loss of earnings seeing as his careers probably wrecked. I seriously doubt they'll swallow that he was attacked because he was Irish.

He thumped him and then came out with a load of "verbal abuse" and I think its the latter hes taking a case about.

Tarzana2

ThisRegard wrote: »

I see Oisín Tymon is now suing the BBC and Clarkson for racial discrimination. Hard to see how he'll win this one.

It'll be a toughie alright. Surely even if Clarkson said something related to his nationality, it'd be bigotry rather than racial discrimination? I ain't no solicitor though!

But even if it does qualify as racial discrimination, he'd have to prove that a racial slur was uttered.

Magico Gonzalez

ThisRegard wrote: »

I see Oisín Tymon is now suing the BBC and Clarkson for racial discrimination. Hard to see how he'll win this one.

Is that the premise of his case? I thought he would suing because, you know, his boss smacked him about in work!

ThisRegard

The headline and small piece about it specifically said it was over racial discrimination, and the assault was mentioned too.

ScumLord

ThisRegard wrote: »

I see Oisín Tymon is now suing the BBC and Clarkson for racial discrimination. Hard to see how he'll win this one.

I don't see how he couldn't.

Thargor wrote: »

Should have sued for straight up assault and lifetime loss of earnings seeing as his careers probably wrecked. I seriously doubt they'll swallow that he was attacked because he was Irish.

He did the right thing as far as I can see. He took the matter to the BBC first and they fired him, he brought the matter to a labour commission and now he's suing.

The bottom line is he was assaulted at work and then got fired. He seems to have brought the matter through every offical channel and is now left with the court.

I'd say he will win the case.

Brendan Bendar

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see how he couldn't.

He did the right thing as far as I can see. He took the matter to the BBC first and they fired him, he brought the matter to a labour commission and now he's suing.

The bottom line is he was assaulted at work and then got fired. He seems to have brought the matter through every offical channel and is now left with the court.

I'd say he will win the case.

Me too, hope he garners a right good wedge from Clarkeson.

I hear they are lined up on some obscure platform with more money than sense.

Yesterday's men, they had their day, flew too close to the sun.

Superhorse

He should clean up imo. Assaulted in work and then fired when complains. Like winning the lotto that.

ScumLord

I'm sure he'll get a nice chunk of change off Clarkson, but as much as what Clarkson did was wrong, it seems worse for the employer to fire the guy the guy that was assaulted.

Still, can't wait for the new top gear on Amazon.

cdeb

ScumLord wrote: »

The bottom line is he was assaulted at work and then got fired.

superhorse wrote:

Assaulted in work and then fired when complains.

Tymon didn't get sacked?

Brendan Bendar

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm sure he'll get a nice chunk of change off Clarkson, but as much as what Clarkson did was wrong, it seems worse for the employer to fire the guy the guy that was assaulted.

Still, can't wait for the new top gear on Amazon.

Not calling it 'new top gear' surely!!

Only one Top Gear.. On the BBC

Rest are yesterday's men, RIP.

ScumLord

Top gear is Clarkson, Hammond and May. I hope the BBC one flourishes as well, need more car shows, but up until BBC prove Top Gear won't flop without the traditional trio it's still Clarkson's show.

cdeb wrote: »

Tymon didn't get sacked?

You're right, I misread the article on Newstalk. They were referring to Clarkson's dismissal.

I'm not sure why he's suing the BBC then, unless he's going to say they allowed an environment where Clarkson thought he could get away with assaulting other staff.

Brendan Bendar

ScumLord wrote: »

Top gear is Clarkson, Hammond and May. I hope the BBC one flourishes as well, need more car shows, but up until BBC prove Top Gear won't flop without the traditional trio it's still Clarkson's show.

You're right, I misread the article on Newstalk. They were referring to Clarkson's dismissal.

I'm not sure why he's suing the BBC then, unless he's going to say they allowed an environment where Clarkson thought he could get away with assaulting other staff.

Cannot argue with that.

dissed doc

ScumLord wrote: »

Top gear is Clarkson, Hammond and May. I hope the BBC one flourishes as well, need more car shows, but up until BBC prove Top Gear won't flop without the traditional trio it's still Clarkson's show.

You're right, I misread the article on Newstalk. They were referring to Clarkson's dismissal.

I'm not sure why he's suing the BBC then, unless he's going to say they allowed an environment where Clarkson thought he could get away with assaulting other staff.

He is suing because he probably cannot get another decent job. The program got cancelled because of his complaint, rightly or wrongly.

I do not see is so racist about being called a lazy Irish **** however. If they guy is lazy, is Irish, and is indeed a **** which is completely possible, we do not know, then maybe he deserved the insult.

But an insult is just an insult. Racism is e.g., what the KKK do, or the Black Panthers, or ISIS, etc., . I refer to case of Sticks vs Stones in the trial of Break my Bones.

Jayop

He's dead right. I probably don't agree that putting the word 'Irish' before a normal insult makes it racist, but given Clarkson's history with insulting nationalities etc, it's probably a good tactic from the lads legal team.

He'll win and he'll win big. It also won't cost Clarkson a penny.

Brendan Bendar

Jayop wrote: »

He's dead right. I probably don't agree that putting the word 'Irish' before a normal insult makes it racist, but given Clarkson's history with insulting nationalities etc, it's probably a good tactic from the lads legal team.

He'll win and he'll win big. It also won't cost Clarkson a penny.[/b


Can you explain that in more detail?

Jayop

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Can you explain that in more detail?

He'll be suing clarksons company which will be insured, and in all likelihood the BBC will cover most of the costs to avoid a court case.

bucketybuck

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not sure why he's suing the BBC then, unless he's going to say they allowed an environment where Clarkson thought he could get away with assaulting other staff.

My guess is that after the incident he sat tight and said nothing, didn't rock the boat, tried to be a good sport about it in the hope that it didn't wreck his career. But all this time later I bet he is getting feck all work and the stigma of getting punched by a fat bully has wrecked his career regardless.

At this point I suspect the damage is done and he is just taking the only action left to him, and yet still at no point in any of this has he done a single thing wrong. Clarkson should be ashamed of himself but I doubt he is, he doesn't have the morals for that.

Brendan Bendar

Jayop wrote: »

He'll be suing clarksons company which will be insured, and in all likelihood the BBC will cover most of the costs to avoid a court case.

Indeed, that is quite a possibility, ,ta.

Magico Gonzalez

I imagine he is angling for an out of court settlement. Make a claim that makes a lot of media noise, instruct your lawyers to approach his and suggest a settlement with a non-disclosure clause. Done.

The truth is that Tymon is probably unemployable now. Labelled "troublemaker" or worse "couldn't look after the talent" I imagine producers are there to look after the star's needs and wants even if they are total asshats.

Brendan Bendar

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I imagine he is angling for an out of court settlement. Make a claim that makes a lot of media noise, instruct your lawyers to approach his and suggest a settlement with a non-disclosure clause. Done.

The truth is that Tymon is probably unemployable now. Labelled "troublemaker" or worse "couldn't look after the talent" I imagine producers are there to look after the star's needs and wants even if they are total asshats.

What a load of tosh, maybe that long jawed ligger saw it like that, but not what producers are there for.

Tarzana2

bucketybuck wrote: »

My guess is that after the incident he sat tight and said nothing, didn't rock the boat, tried to be a good sport about it in the hope that it didn't wreck his career. But all this time later I bet he is getting feck all work and the stigma of getting punched by a fat bully has wrecked his career regardless.

Yes, this incident might have badly affected his career and it's not his fault. Suing to cover future loss of earnings?

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I imagine producers are there to look after the star's needs and wants even if they are total asshats.

Sadly, yes. Gotta look after the "talent".

Jayop

If Clarkson was any sort of a decent person he should have at least offered him a job on the new show.

Tarzana2

Jayop wrote: »

If Clarkson was any sort of a decent person he should have at least offered him a job on the new show.

I dunno. It might have crossed his mind but it'd just be so awkward, even making the offer.

Jayop

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I dunno. It might have crossed his mind but it'd just be so awkward, even making the offer.

Well if Clarkson was genuine about how none of it was Oisin's fault like he said in that video then he should have tried to make it work.

Maybe he did and was turned down, but I doubt it.

Ursus Horribilis

bucketybuck wrote: »

My guess is that after the incident he sat tight and said nothing, didn't rock the boat, tried to be a good sport about it in the hope that it didn't wreck his career. But all this time later I bet he is getting feck all work and the stigma of getting punched by a fat bully has wrecked his career regardless.

I'm pretty sure I heard the London radio presenter who comes onto Matt Cooper's radio show saying that since the incident, Oisin Tymon hasn't been doing the sort of work he had been doing before. I can't be bothered listening back to the audio this hour of night but I think he said the guy had been kept on by the BBC but was doing some sort of desk job.

ScumLord

bucketybuck wrote: »

Clarkson should be ashamed of himself but I doubt he is, he doesn't have the morals for that.

I agree with everything you said but there's no need to start resorting to the Clarkson bad guy caricature. Clarkson has said he is ashamed of what he did and has taken full responsibility for it, saying Oisin wasn't in any way responsible.

Unfortunately for Oisin he's attached to what may be the downfall of one of the most popular TV shows in the world.

Fratton Fred

Turned out ok for Oisin in the end. Full apology and a nice pay out.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35648682

Mint Aero

Well done Clarkson me old mucker. What a champ he is. Go on Clarkson! Get in ma son!

bucketybuck

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Turned out ok for Oisin in the end. Full apology and a nice pay out.

Apart from his whole career at the BBC and most likely other media outlets being destroyed of course.

Kirby

How exactly has his career been destroyed?

Fratton Fred

bucketybuck wrote: »

Apart from his whole career at the BBC and most likely other media outlets being destroyed of course.

He turned down an offer to continue working on the show, so he must have something in the pipeline.

Howard the Duck

Fratton Fred wrote: »

He turned down an offer to continue working on the show, so he must have something in the pipeline.

Reads as if he is still employed by the BBC

Fratton Fred

Howard the Duck wrote: »

Reads as if he is still employed by the BBC

He is, but turned down an offer to continue working on top gear.

Cienciano

bucketybuck wrote: »

Apart from his whole career at the BBC and most likely other media outlets being destroyed of course.

Did you read the article?

"Oisin has made an important contribution to the BBC in his 12 years with us, and we hope to see him continue to realise his potential in his role as a development executive.
"We believe Oisin has a very exciting future at the BBC."

"destroyed"?

BMMachine

Mint Aero wrote: »

Well done Clarkson me old mucker. What a champ he is. Go on Clarkson! Get in ma son!

Yeah, he should be congratulated on this. He acted like a rational decent person which is extremely hard for him

AvyStreet

Clarkson was nothing special. Any of the not particularly good comedy came from the shows writers. Evans will easily outshine him if he has the same team.