Dunnes workers to strike

Eric Cartman

thierry14 wrote: »

Your posts are always showing an attitude of patronizing superiority.

We get you had a privileged life!

" No automatic cars in your house " :pac:

Have some respect for people!

I have 2 automatic cars, I'm not getting the reference / joke here. Ive had a comfortable life Ive worked very hard for.

efb wrote: »

I think most of it is a front a lot like his protégé

I have a protege ? who is it ? id like to make it official .

efb wrote: »

Many?

a lot of the time its one or two, I've had 10 on the go for larger projects.

Eric Cartman

thierry14 wrote: »

It's easy with daddy's money!

Im not paul murphy or rich boy barrat , my christ my life would be so much easier.

efb

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im not paul murphy or rich boy barrat , my christ my life would be so much easier.

Do you boast about your achievements much?

Eric Cartman

efb wrote: »

Do you boast about your achievements much?

Not really, but you asked what I do, thats how it came up, Im not one to shout about it but I'm not going to downplay the answer when asked.

kub

So a relative of mine works in Dunnes and is going out on the picket line. That person was in work today and was called into a meeting or more of a threatening speech by the shop management aka The Pawns.

They have said:

1. They would reduce the hours of anyone who strikes.
2. They will not acknowledge Mandate.
3. They will not change working hour arrangements.
4. They won't give pay rises.
5. That the staff protesting are risking their own jobs.
6. There would be bad blood the following day......interesting remark that actually as the following day is Good Friday.

So my relative has used that wonderful term......the stuff that comes out the back of a bull.......

But Dunnes are being traditional anyway, still an absolute shower to work for.

Eric Cartman

kub wrote: »

So a relative of mine works in Dunnes and is going out on the picket line. That person was in work today and was called into a meeting or more of a threatening speech by the shop management aka The Pawns.

They have said:

1. They would reduce the hours of anyone who strikes.
2. They will not acknowledge Mandate.
3. They will not change working hour arrangements.
4. They won't give pay rises.
5. That the staff protesting are risking their own jobs.
6. There would be bad blood the following day......interesting remark that actually as the following day is Good Friday.

So my relative has used that wonderful term......the stuff that comes out the back of a bull.......

But Dunnes are being traditional anyway, still an absolute shower to work for.

no.1 and 6 are a bit threatening but the rest are just 'the sky is blue' type obvious stuff that makes business sense.

efb

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Not really, but you asked what I do, thats how it came up, Im not one to shout about it but I'm not going to downplay the answer when asked.

Before I asked you were throwing around your largesse

Eric Cartman

efb wrote: »

Before I asked you were throwing around your largesse

no , after you asked what if they replace me with a machine is when I chimed in, I hardly came into this thread saying "Im doing a bit better than average, debate me" I made some points about dunnes workers and how I think striking is fruitless and wrong, then you made it about me.

thierry14

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have 2 automatic cars, I'm not getting the reference / joke here. Ive had a comfortable life Ive worked very hard for.

There was a clue in there.

Do Dunnes staff not work hard?

Look not all people can upskill, stop talking like they can.You do it all the time.

Some people have kids and mouths to feed and don't have the luxury of taking career risks.

Do you have kids?

You should be glad not everyone can upskill, you probably wouldn't be in the comfortable position you are in now.

efb

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no , after you asked what if they replace me with a machine is when I chimed in, I hardly came into this thread saying "Im doing a bit better than average, debate me" I made some points about dunnes workers and how I think striking is fruitless and wrong, then you made it about me.

I don't mean exclusively on this thread

Eric Cartman

thierry14 wrote: »

There was a clue in there.

Do Dunnes staff not work hard?

Look not all people can upskill, stop talking like they can.You do it all the time.

Some people have kids and mouths to feed and don't have the luxury of taking career risks.

Do you have kids?

You should be glad not everyone can upskill, you probably wouldn't be in the comfortable position you are in now.

working hard is not just about doing 15 hours a week in dunnes to the best of your ability, its about every facet of life. working hard means taking the time to up skill, it means sacrificing sleep to gain skills , it means taking risks and making sure they pay off. I don't have kids, but if somebody was relying on dunnes to fund their children's lives I would call that an irresponsible decision to have kids and the incentive to up skill and provide should be bigger than ever.

if people up skilled their incomes would be higher and they'd have more to spend on services and goods I supply. I am not concerned about anyone else's skill level in relation to my own.

efb wrote: »

I don't mean exclusively on this thread

fair enough, probably should get back on topic, but ill indulge, please provide me with more examples.

not yet

Eric Cartman wrote: »

my job is repairing the machines

Id upskill , Im self employed (the ultimate 0 hours contract) and over the last almost 11 years now my business model has had to change so many times to stay profitable.

And the people who ain't as clever as you..?

Eric Cartman

not yet wrote: »

And the people who ain't as clever as you..?

Im not particularly clever, if i was id have gotten a lot further nothing that ive done is particularly amazing , i learned how to do something well from other people whove written books about doing the same thing , and turned that into a revenue source, skills in high demand = high renumeration for those skills.

Not G.R

Jesus some of the posts in this thread. Low paid workers looking for the hours they actually work in writing and guaranteed week to week & to be treated a little fairer. Anyone passing this picket should be really proud of themselves.

efb

Not G.R wrote: »

Jesus some of the posts in this thread. Low paid workers looking for the hours they actually work in writing and guaranteed week to week & to be treated a little fairer. Anyone passing this picket should be really proud of themselves.

apparently they should work harder or something, I've switched off the DM news feed

not yet

efb wrote: »

apparently they should work harder or something, I've switched off the DM news feed

Sell everything off to big business and we'll all work for a bowl of rice..

The rich get richer and the greedy get greedier..

Eric Cartman

efb wrote: »

apparently they should work harder or something, I've switched off the DM news feed

they should just leave if they're unhappy.

not yet wrote: »

Sell everything off to big business and we'll all work for a bowl of rice..

The rich get richer and the greedy get greedier..

thats exactly what this is :rolleyes: , why not open your own supermarket and take all the dunnes staff with you and pay them a lot of money if its so easy to just generate money out of thin air.

Not G.R

Not G.R wrote: »

Jesus some of the posts in this thread. Low paid workers looking for the hours they actually work in writing and guaranteed week to week & to be treated a little fairer. Anyone passing this picket should be really proud of themselves.

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. I'll take all the hours I can get.

gowley

Dunnes employ 14,000 odd staff in ireland. That's a fair chunk and many seem to be there for years. A huge irish business success with big competition from foreign chains.. Don't know the facts about the strike but there seems to be a lot more workers not going on strike. Pity the unions won't adress public sector waste instead of the private business populist targets

Not G.R

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. <b>I'll take all the hours I can get.</b>

Isn't that the whole point of the strike? But you're braver then I, gotta' do what you gotta' do.

P_1

kub wrote: »

So a relative of mine works in Dunnes and is going out on the picket line. That person was in work today and was called into a meeting or more of a threatening speech by the shop management aka The Pawns.

They have said:

1. They would reduce the hours of anyone who strikes.
2. They will not acknowledge Mandate.
3. They will not change working hour arrangements.
4. They won't give pay rises.
5. That the staff protesting are risking their own jobs.
6. There would be bad blood the following day......interesting remark that actually as the following day is Good Friday.

So my relative has used that wonderful term......the stuff that comes out the back of a bull.......

But Dunnes are being traditional anyway, still an absolute shower to work for.

Someone should kindly let the high mucky mucks in Dunnes know that it's now the 2010's and not the 1910's. Belligerent isn't the word.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. I'll take all the hours I can get.

you will go far with an attitude like that. Best of luck mate and if you get any evil eyes or negative comments I'm sure management will be very helpful in removing those responsible.

gowley wrote: »

Dunnes employ 14,000 odd staff in ireland. That's a fair chunk and many seem to be there for years. A huge irish business success with big competition from foreign chains.. Don't know the facts about the strike but there seems to be a lot more workers not going on strike. Pity the unions won't adress public sector waste instead of the private business populist targets

if dunnes went ahead with all these demands they'd only be able to afford about 10,000 staff. The people protesting don't realise that 15 hours for them can't be afforded unless somebody else gets 0.

not yet

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. I'll take all the hours I can get.

That my friend makes you a scab in old money..

efb

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. I'll take all the hours I can get.

they may drop yours when they get cheaper staff, but if short termism self interest is your thing....

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you will go far with an attitude like that. Best of luck mate and if you get any evil eyes or negative comments I'm sure management will be very helpful in removing those responsible.

In the store I work in I would confidently say that most of the staff have no interest in striking. Low union presence, mostly made up of old biddies etc. who are not affected by anything the union is complaining about. I think only 10% or so voted in favour of striking.

not yet

not yet wrote: »

That my friend makes you a scab in old money..

Couldn't give a toss, there's bills to be paid.

Mongfinder General

Dunnes and Tesco's number is up. Lidl and Aldi are slowly building their base in Ireland and will continue to take market share.

A Wal Mart type structure entering the market will finish the fcukers off H Williams style. And good riddance too. Bunch of robbing dirt birds.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Couldn't give a toss, there's bills to be paid.

here is a man who really gets it. you will do well in life mate.

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Dunnes and Tesco's number is up. Lidl and Aldi are slowly building their base in Ireland and will continue to take market share.

A Wal Mart type structure entering the market will finish the fcukers off H Williams style. And good riddance too. Bunch of robbing dirt birds.

Hah , Lidl and Aldi work staff to the bone and expect them to come in at a moments notice and are never overstaffed, but if you want to go far and work hard they have a brilliant management program. Its the free market personified in german efficiency.

gowley

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Dunnes and Tesco's number is up. Lidl and Aldi are slowly building their base in Ireland and will continue to take market share.

A Wal Mart type structure entering the market will finish the fcukers off H Williams style. And good riddance too. Bunch of robbing dirt birds.

Lol. Ignorance is bliss. Do you honestly think Wal Mart pay big wages to staff. Ask the Asda staff in the UK when they were taken over H Williams were ultimately taken over by Tesco. Wal Mart staff went on strike in June last year because of low wages.

Eric Cartman

gowley wrote: »

Lol. Ignorance is bliss. Do you honestly think Wal Mart pay big wages to staff. Ask the Asda staff in the UK when they were taken over H Williams were ultimately taken over by Tesco. Wal Mart staff went on strike in June last year because of low wages.

by robbing B*stards i think he means the price you pay for things. I wonder does he realise where the savings for low prices are made.

gowley

Eric Cartman wrote: »

by robbing B*stards i think he means the price you pay for things. I wonder does he realise where the savings for low prices are made.

By reading his posts I can see he's not the most intelligent . Once his argument just consists of name calling and abuse you can forget about any constructive conversation

A_Sober_Paddy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

by robbing B*stards i think he means the price you pay for things. I wonder does he realise where the savings for low prices are made.

Lidl and Aldi charge low prices, yet pay their staff a better basic wage...

efb

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Lidl and Aldi charge low prices, yet pay their staff a better basic wage...

fewer staff, less overheads

BoJack Horseman

efb wrote: »

fewer staff, less overheads

And much lower margins.

Lidl have said their profit margin here is 2%

Manach

Private sector strikes always seem to be more risky (in terms of overall job security) than other sectors, but if the workers do not come to an agreement, I'd wish them well on the day.

gowley

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

And much lower margins.

Lidl have said their profit margin here is 2%

I can guarantee you that's not true. No supermarket works off anything like that.

thierry14

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

And much lower margins.

Lidl have said their profit margin here is 2%

They don't sell products at 2% margin, more like 20-30% margin.

They had revenue of over 1 billion last year with profits north of 150 million.

That's decent margin.

BoJack Horseman

gowley wrote: »

I can guarantee you that's not true. No supermarket works off anything like that.

Correction.... Aldi's profit for 2013 in the UK & Ireland market was 3.7%.

A bit better alright.

(Revenue: €6,750m vs profit: €253m)

thierry14

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Correction.... Aldi's profit for 2013 in the UK & Ireland market was 3.7%.

A bit better alright.

(Revenue: €6,750m vs profit: €253m)

They have a bit of competition in the UK.

They are racking it in here.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aldi-profits-more-than-double-to-185m-29663592.html

Like other retailers they are cleaning up here compared the UK.

gowley

thierry14 wrote: »

They have a bit of competition in the UK.

They are racking it in here.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aldi-profits-more-than-double-to-185m-29663592.html

Like other retailers they are cleaning up here compared the UK.

They don't separate UK and ire land profits. Looking at those revenues Horseman is about 2 billion out in revenue and doesn't take into account interest right downs and restructuring of property values that they have removed. But what's the point in letting facts get in the way.

BoatMad

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Correction.... Aldi's profit for 2013 in the UK & Ireland market was 3.7%.

A bit better alright.

(Revenue: €6,750m vs profit: €253m)

thats net profit after taxes etc, a very contrived figure as any good accountant can tell you

most multiples work of around 40-50% gross margin , i.e. what you see is the input price doubled. I know this for a fact, chemists are on about 200% margin on ethical drugs for example

BoatMad

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Dunnes and Tesco's number is up. Lidl and Aldi are slowly building their base in Ireland and will continue to take market share.

A Wal Mart type structure entering the market will finish the fcukers off H Williams style. And good riddance too. Bunch of robbing dirt birds.

tesco are big enough to have options, Dunnes are in a difficult position squeezed out of the low end, Aldi and Lidl will never take these segments however, they do not stock sufficient range of produce.

im not sure what a one-day strike will achieve , seems rather pointless

gowley

BoatMad wrote: »

thats net profit after taxes etc, a very contrived figure as any good accountant can tell you

most multiples work of around 40-50% gross margin , i.e. what you see is the input price doubled. I know this for a fact, chemists are on about 200% margin on ethical drugs for example

Anyone who deals with the multiples knows this. that's the problem on this site. You have people claiming ridiculous figures with no fact to back up.

holyhead

The unpredictable nature of hours offered from week to week does seem very unfair. Yes Dunnes are giving employment and at its basic level that constitutes an exchange of labour for wages. Yes workers are not at gunpoint forced to sign up for such terms and conditions but everybody has to start somewhere. Can't see a strike achieving a whole lot. Dunnes dont wilt easily and there will always be the "ah sure you have a job" brigade.
The bigger issue is that because of the high cost of living here the value of wages is low. Higher wages can often only end up increasing the cost of living etc.

BoatMad

holyhead wrote: »

The unpredictable nature of hours offered from week to week does seem very unfair. Yes Dunnes are giving employment and at its basic level that constitutes an exchange of labour for wages. Yes workers are not at gunpoint forced to sign up for such terms and conditions but everybody has to start somewhere. Can't see a strike achieving a whole lot. Dunnes dont wilt easily and there will always be the "ah sure you have a job" brigade.
The bigger issue is that because of the high cost of living here the value of wages is low. Higher wages can often only end up increasing the cost of living etc.

The demands on the modern retail business, to succeed in a very competitive environment, long opening hours, increased responsiveness tends to drive in work practices like we see , such as low hours contracts and low paid ( in certain areas). we cant have it both ways, you cant have sunday opening, long or 24 hour opening etc and then have a aggressively competitive environment , without having the work practices we have, This is no different in any part of the developed world.

there is no evidence of a particular set of high costs of living and low wages in Ireland, Ireland remains around the median and lower then mist when taxes are taken into account
Theres no easy answer.

road_high

BoatMad wrote: »

tesco are big enough to have options, Dunnes are in a difficult position squeezed out of the low end, Aldi and Lidl will never take these segments however, they do not stock sufficient range of produce.

im not sure what a one-day strike will achieve , seems rather pointless

Very worst thing about Dunnes. Dire range of products, especially fresh owned branded stuff. Tesco and Super Valu lick them hollow. Also very sporadic I find with things either gone or out of stock a lot. Reckon they just couldn't bother or else all suppliers have just ditched them as not worth the hassle. Notoriously hard to deal with and bad payers.

Mongfinder General

gowley wrote: »

Lol. Ignorance is bliss. Do you honestly think Wal Mart pay big wages to staff. Ask the Asda staff in the UK when they were taken over H Williams were ultimately taken over by Tesco. Wal Mart staff went on strike in June last year because of low wages.

Where did I say that Wal Mart paid big wages?

As for making assumptions regarding my intelligence quotient based on a pseudonym's posts on boards.ie, well that shows the very limited bounds of your intellect. Looking at your posts, (I could only stomach a few, they're that turgid in stating the fcuking obvious) they add little value to an argument. However, I do think you'd do well in a suit in Dunnes Stores.

I think that the choices our stores bring are limited in the extreme and the variety offered to the public could be greatly increased and provided at a price that reflects value. This requires a value chain and supply chain that utilizes the buyers power, ie a major corporation, hopefully with some ethics.

I'm probably looking at a ban for attacking the poster as well as the post but fcuk it anyway

end of the road

Head The Wall wrote: »

The union are complaining that people on low hour contracts cannot get mortgages, there is a reason why that is the case and I don't think it's a justifiable reason to be going on strike.

well, the staff think it is, so therefore it is

Head The Wall wrote: »

Yes if they are on low hour contracts but to try and connect it to not getting a mortgage is real bleeding heart lies from the union

is it? well, the union has to do what it can. fair play to the lot of them

Head The Wall wrote: »

It's a job in a supermarket we are discussing here, they have always been associated with part time and temporary work.

not in this manner.

Head The Wall wrote: »

It's irrelevant if people always need to buy stuff in a supermarket or not.

its not irrelevant at all.

Head The Wall wrote: »

Dunnes are free to decide how to run their business.

actually, they aren't. nobody is "free" to decide how they run things, there are limits to everything

Head The Wall wrote: »

These people decided to sign 15 hour contracts and now want to change that by bullying via the union.

re-read what was said. its not bullying at all, the members and the union see an issue that is unjust and tried everything to solve it with no result, therefore they have taken the final option of striking which they are right to do. the days of the little peasant worker knowing their place and being greatful cowering at the feat of the boss is long gone

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

treating retail work as a permanent mortgage paying job or a job for life is just lunacy. Dunnes, like all supermarkets should be treated as a stepping stone in your career, not the end of it (unless you progress to management) the second somebody with 1 day less retail experience than you gets promoted to management, then its time to call it quits and find something else.

these people are striking like dunnes is their only avenue. I will be breaking the picket when they do strike as a show of solidarity with struggling business owners who get shafted by unions and insane demands every day of the week.

and hopefully you are blocked and prevented from doing so if you even try it, which you won't. you won't be crossing any picket i can tell you that for sure, because people like you never do. its just all nonsense. no struggling or no business owners get shafted by unions and insane demands at all. you won't be showing solidarity with anyone as you don't even know the meaning of the word, you will be showing contempt for those who keep such businesses running, the staff.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I respect everyone working , but if your in a crap job move, lifes too short, there are jobs out there if you have skills. Dunnes provides employment with set terms, if you don't like them don't work there. It perfectly suits a lot of students and people getting on the career ladder.

Expecting dunnes to bail you out because you can't get another job is just a fruitless exercise.

not at all, if they don't suit, force a change. nobody is being "bailed out" its calling for better terms and conditions, something those of you living in the old days of the peasant worker being greatful and cowering at the employers feat wouldn't understand anything about

end of the road

Valetta wrote: »

Healthy competition.

not at all. eroding workers rights and conditions until they can get to as near slave labour as legally possible

kub wrote: »

So a relative of mine works in Dunnes and is going out on the picket line. That person was in work today and was called into a meeting or more of a threatening speech by the shop management aka The Pawns.

They have said:

1. They would reduce the hours of anyone who strikes.
2. They will not acknowledge Mandate.
3. They will not change working hour arrangements.
4. They won't give pay rises.
5. That the staff protesting are risking their own jobs.
6. There would be bad blood the following day......interesting remark that actually as the following day is Good Friday.

So my relative has used that wonderful term......the stuff that comes out the back of a bull.......

But Dunnes are being traditional anyway, still an absolute shower to work for.

well, the staff need to make sure that if any bully boy tactics are caried out by management, that the management are put back in their place very quick and hard

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in dunnes. I'll have no problem whatsoever passing the picket. I'll take all the hours I can get.

again, hopefully the picket will be in such a way one can't pass it

gowley wrote: »

Dunnes employ 14,000 odd staff in ireland. That's a fair chunk and many seem to be there for years. A huge irish business success with big competition from foreign chains.. Don't know the facts about the strike but there seems to be a lot more workers not going on strike. Pity the unions won't adress public sector waste instead of the private business populist targets

the unions call out public sector waste all the time