Dunnes workers to strike

PopePalpatine

PopePalpatine wrote: »

If those 65% of Dunnes workers didn't want to go on strike (and there's no guarantee that all of that 65% opposed the strike), then they should have voted against it! Elections and referenda aren't declared null and void just because less than 50% of the electorate supported a referendum or the party/parties that comprise a government.

Er, they DID vote against it! Either by NOT joining the Union or by actually voting NO. They also voiced their feelings by working on the day of the strike. I agree that Mandate are acting for the majority of their members, but they only represent 2/3 of the workforce.

jank

PopePalpatine wrote: »

If those 65% of Dunnes workers didn't want to go on strike (and there's no guarantee that all of that 65% opposed the strike), then they should have voted against it! Elections and referenda aren't declared null and void just because less than 50% of the electorate supported a referendum or the party/parties that comprise a government.

You cannot vote if you are not a member of a union and afaik the majority of Dunnes staff are not members of a union. Why join a unions to vote against a motion? Let the others do what they want and you continue to work and get more hours. Win win.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

But, DO they show disdain for its employees? The facts remain that (a) the staff signied up for these contracts and (b) approx 65% of Dunnes workers don't want to strike!

65% my backside. probably 40/45%.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

65% my backside. probably 40/45%.

40/45% of Mandate Union members PLUS the other 4,500 staff that are NOT members of the Union.
I remember when there was a strike at Dunnes 20 odd years ago. The majority of the workers were members of Mandate back then, but only 2/3 are members now. Strange that, if they are so dis satisfied with their working conditions. Or are they???

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

40/45% of Mandate Union members PLUS the other 4,500 staff that are NOT members of the Union.
I remember when there was a strike at Dunnes 20 odd years ago. The majority of the workers were members of Mandate back then, but only 2/3 are members now. Strange that, if they are so dis satisfied with their working conditions. Or are they???

2 thirds being a member of a union is a majority.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

2 thirds being a member of a union is a majority.

True, but back then, if memory serves me correctly, it was 90%+ membership. This was in the pre Celtic Tiger days. Why do people stay in a job where they don't get enough hours to make it worth while? Dunnes aren't the only ones who use these contracts.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

65% my backside. probably 40/45%.

I think there's about 200 people working in the store that I work in. Only 40 in the union, and only 8 of them voted in favour of striking. Only 3 people on the picket when I went in. The vast majority of us (in our store) do not want strikes.
And if you think that dunnes were bullying people into working I can say that in my own experience they did not. No one's been let go or moved around etc. The union however were threatening members who did not agree with the strike that they would be black listed and ignored by other members etc. Ridiculous carry on in this day and age in my opinion.

nice_guy80

A union makes its decision on a country wide vote.
Not just one shop.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, they DID vote against it! Either by NOT joining the Union or by actually voting NO. They also voiced their feelings by working on the day of the strike. I agree that Mandate are acting for the majority of their members, but they only represent 2/3 of the workforce.

+1 67% of mandate members voted for the strike action (Source : http://www.irishtimes.com/business/staff-at-dunnes-stores-vote-for-industrial-action-1.2129165 )

Mandate represents 4000 dunnes workers (Source : http://dunnesworkers.com/author/mandatetradeunion/ )

so 67% of 4000 is 2680 people wanted to strike.

Dunnes has 18,000 Employees (Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnes_Stores )

so 2680 as a percentage of 18,000 = 14.8%

14.8% of Dunnes Workers voted to strike
not even 15% were unhappy enough to vote to strike , they must represent everyones concerns :rolleyes:

Uncle Ben

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 67% of mandate members voted for the strike action (Source : http://www.irishtimes.com/business/staff-at-dunnes-stores-vote-for-industrial-action-1.2129165 )

Mandate represents 4000 dunnes workers (Source : http://dunnesworkers.com/author/mandatetradeunion/ )

so 67% of 4000 is 2680 people wanted to strike.

Dunnes has 18,000 Employees (Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnes_Stores )

so 2680 as a percentage of 18,000 = 14.8%

14.8% of Dunnes Workers voted to strike
not even 15% were unhappy enough to vote to strike , they must represent everyones concerns :rolleyes:

Dunnes have a workforce of 18000 people from stores in Ireland north and south England Scotland Wales and on the continent. Your link provided those Wikipedia facts. However as you and I both know the strke is taking place in Irish rep only.

Eric Cartman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Dunnes have a workforce of 18000 people from stores in Ireland north and south England Scotland Wales and on the continent. Your link provided those Wikipedia facts. However as you and I both know the strke is taking place in Irish rep only.

so dunnes have different management practices in different regions even though they're supposedly ruthless

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews 215 reviews from employees of dunnes on indeed, it scores 4/5 stars

they have 155 stores (source : http://www.dunnesstores.com/about-us/content/fcp-content )

so if we divide 18,000 by 155 were averaging 116 Employees per store, Rep Of Ireland has 116 stores , so theres approx 13,470 staff employed in Ireland.

so 2680 as a percentage of 13,470 = 19% , so even with you trying to put that roadblock in the way , were still talking less than 20% of dunnes republic of Ireland staff even voted to strike.

I even low balled it , 14,000 staff in Ireland (source : http://www.top1000.ie/dunnes-stores-ireland)

Uncle Ben

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so dunnes have different management practices in different regions even though they're supposedly ruthless

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews 215 reviews from employees of dunnes on indeed, it scores 4/5 stars

they have 155 stores (source : http://www.dunnesstores.com/about-us/content/fcp-content )

so if we divide 18,000 by 155 were averaging 116 Employees per store, Rep Of Ireland has 116 stores , so theres approx 13,470 staff employed in Ireland.

so 2680 as a percentage of 13,470 = 19% , so even with you trying to put that roadblock in the way , were still talking less than 20% of dunnes republic of Ireland staff even voted to strike.

No road block just remarking on the links you provided.

Eric Cartman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

No road block just remarking on the links you provided.

well now we've corrected it , so can everyone agree that only 19% of dunnes workers in the Republic of Ireland even voted for this strike, nowhere near a majority, not even in sight of one.

Uncle Ben

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well now we've corrected it , so can everyone agree that only 19% of dunnes workers in the Republic of Ireland even voted for this strike, nowhere near a majority, not even in sight of one.

The majority of Mandate TU members voted for strike. Under the current IR legislation that's all that counts.

Eric Cartman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The majority of Mandate TU members voted for strike. Under the current IR legislation that's all that counts.

while that may be true there are people in this thread under the illusion that a majority of dunnes employees are unhappy, that is not the case , between the indeed.com result and the mandate voting result which both tally , over 80% of dunnes stores workers are happy with their working conditions , and that is an indisputable fact from 2 completely independent sources with 2 different metrics of measuring employee satisfaction.

Uncle Ben

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while that may be true there are people in this thread under the illusion that a majority of dunnes employees are unhappy, that is not the case , between the indeed.com result and the mandate voting result which both tally , over 80% of dunnes stores workers are happy with their working conditions , and that is an indisputable fact from 2 completely independent sources with 2 different metrics of measuring employee satisfaction.

I won't argue with any of that however there is another fact that is also frequently over looked and that is the fact that the Labour Court, which is impartial made a recommendation that Dunnes should engage with Mandate.
Now I understand that IR in Ireland is based on voluntarism by both employees and employers and that both sides have the choice to engage or not with each other, however what this dispute has done is pushed collective bargaining and union recognition up the agenda with both govt parties stating that legislation will be enacted in early summer to tackle this type of dispute.
I'm sure that there will be plenty of employers not so pleased with Dunnes Stores when this is introduced.

SimonLynch

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while that may be true there are people in this thread under the illusion that a majority of dunnes employees are unhappy, that is not the case , between the indeed.com result and the mandate voting result which both tally , over 80% of dunnes stores workers are happy with their working conditions , and that is an indisputable fact from 2 completely independent sources with 2 different metrics of measuring employee satisfaction.

You can be unhappy in your job without being in a union, a fiver a week or so is a fair amount if you're on rubbish hours on a slightly above minimum wage.

Eric Cartman

SimonLynch wrote: »

You can be unhappy in your job without being in a union, a fiver a week or so is a fair amount if you're on rubbish hours on a slightly above minimum wage.

and the indeed.com survey thats free to fill out tallying with the findings ?

and dunnes exceeding the average which is 70% (source : http://www.thejournal.ie/seven-out-of-ten-irish-employees-satisfied-at-work-survey-270339-Nov2011/ )

and this UCD survey which puts average satisfaction at 72% which dunnes exceeds (http://www.ucd.ie/issda/static/documentation/esri/ncpp_p1.pdf )

and this job satisfaction rating from pay scale.com that also puts it at 80% http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dunnes_Stores/Salary

my figures are repeatable over and over again from many sources.

SimonLynch

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and the indeed.com survey thats free to fill out tallying with the findings ?

and dunnes exceeding the average which is 70% (source : http://www.thejournal.ie/seven-out-of-ten-irish-employees-satisfied-at-work-survey-270339-Nov2011/ )

and this UCD survey which puts average satisfaction at 72% which dunnes exceeds (http://www.ucd.ie/issda/static/documentation/esri/ncpp_p1.pdf )

and this job satisfaction rating from pay scale.com that also puts it at 80% http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dunnes_Stores/Salary

my figures are repeatable over and over again from many sources.

No mention of Dunnes Stores in the first two links. Third link shows three manager jobs and a retail sales assistant job starting at 17k. Did I miss something?

Eric Cartman

SimonLynch wrote: »

No mention of Dunnes Stores in the first two links. Third link shows three manager jobs and a retail sales assistant job starting at 17k. Did I miss something?

first 2 links are sources for average employee satisfaction in ireland which is at 70%

these links :

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dunnes_Stores/Salary

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews

aswell as the fact that only 19% voted for strike action show an 80%+ job satisfaction rating among dunnes staff.

This is the answer to all their worries!!! http://www.thejournal.ie/socialist-nationalise-dunnes-stores-2044530-Apr2015/

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

This is the answer to all their worries!!! http://www.thejournal.ie/socialist-nationalise-dunnes-stores-2044530-Apr2015/

hah , never going to happen luckily.

PopePalpatine

Deleted User wrote: »

This is the answer to all their worries!!! http://www.thejournal.ie/socialist-nationalise-dunnes-stores-2044530-Apr2015/

Oh, I bet all of the girls in Avoca Handweavers will appreciate this joke tomorrow morning.

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The majority of Mandate TU members voted for strike. Under the current IR legislation that's all that counts.

The majority (2/3) of 4,000 imposing their wishes on a staff of 10,000. 25% of all staff voted for strike action. VERY democratic!

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

The majority (2/3) of 4,000 imposing their wishes on a staff of 10,000. 25% of all staff voted for strike action. VERY democratic!

as my earlier post points out its 19% , not even close to 25 let alone 50.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

as my earlier post points out its 19% , not even close to 25 let alone 50.

I'm being generous and working on a staff number of 10,000. No matter how you look at it, it's galling that such a small percentage are trying to impose their will on the majority, most of whom are quiet happy in their work!

Uncle Ben

Deleted User wrote: »

The majority (2/3) of 4,000 imposing their wishes on a staff of 10,000. 25% of all staff voted for strike action. VERY democratic!

Bertie Ahearn and the Govt of the early 90s introduced this legislation. I believe that doyen of the far right Mary Harney supported same, as did the FGaelers if I recall correctly.
So yes , VERY democratic.

Eric Cartman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Bertie Ahearn and the Govt of the early 90s introduced this legislation. I believe that doyen of the far right Mary Harney supported same, as did the FGaelers if I recall correctly.
So yes , VERY democratic.

Far Right Mary Harney , there is literally no end to your warped view of the world.

Uncle Ben

She was far right than all of the others.

Eric Cartman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

She was far right than all of the others.

compared to joe costello perhaps, but a centrist by international standards

BoJack Horseman

Uncle Ben wrote: »

She was far right than all of the others.

If Mata Harney was far-right, frankly you've never seen someone really far-right.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm being generous and working on a staff number of 10,000. No matter how you look at it, it's galling that such a small percentage are trying to impose their will on the majority, most of whom are quiet happy in their work!

how do you know the majority are happy with their jobs? maybe they were afraid to vote yes to a strike, a fear which seems to have been justified considering the eledged round about firing of staff who dared to strike

Arbiter of Good Taste

Deleted User wrote: »

This is the answer to all their worries!!! http://www.thejournal.ie/socialist-nationalise-dunnes-stores-2044530-Apr2015/

First Dell, now Dunnes. What the Fvck is Ruth Coppinger's obsession with nationalising private businesses?

jank

Deleted User wrote: »

This is the answer to all their worries!!! http://www.thejournal.ie/socialist-nationalise-dunnes-stores-2044530-Apr2015/

Jesus Christ! Seriously, does anyone really take these lunatics seriously? Way to go to make 14,000 employees iminently unemployed. They are the creationists of Ireland!

Brendan Bendar

jank wrote: »

Jesus Christ! Seriously, does anyone really take these lunatics seriously? Way to go to make 14,000 employees iminently unemployed. They are the creationists of Ireland!

I wonder is she still on a career break from the teaching job.

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

how do you know the majority are happy with their jobs? maybe they were afraid to vote yes to a strike, a fear which seems to have been justified considering the eledged round about firing of staff who dared to strike

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/..._Stores/Salary

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews

two independent employee satisfaction ratings of over 80% aswell as the fact that only 19% voted for strike action show an 80%+ job satisfaction rating among dunnes staff.

Uncle Ben

Eric Cartman wrote: »

compared to joe costello perhaps, but a centrist by international standards

We are still talking about dunnes stores strikes in Ireland not Europe or the US.

Farmer Pudsey

Uncle Ben wrote: »

We are still talking about dunnes stores strikes in Ireland not Europe or the US.

We have no ringh wing not to mind far right politicians in Ireland at best the majority are centreists at present. Mary Harney was soft right her acceptance of increasing government spending during the coalition with FF to keep power would suggest that she be to the left of the Democratic party in the US

BoJack Horseman

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

What the Fvck is Ruth Coppinger's obsession with nationalising private businesses?

Communists are as communists do.

PopePalpatine

Hold your horses BoJack, the only direct quote from her in that article mentions strengthening trade unions and the right to be in a trade union, although the article said the AAA would "consider" nationalisation.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

how do you know the majority are happy with their jobs? maybe they were afraid to vote yes to a strike, a fear which seems to have been justified considering the eledged round about firing of staff who dared to strike

If they are so unhappy in their jobs and so afraid to vote for a strike, then WTF are they still doing working there????
I worked for Dunnes back in the 90's. The hours didn't suit me, so I left and got a more suitable job. I'm still friendly with a number of girls I worked with. I asked them their feelings on the strike and their reply was "Why are they messing with things? Leave well enough alone"

BoJack Horseman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Hold your horses BoJack, the only direct quote from her in that article mentions strengthening trade unions and the right to be in a trade union, although the article said the AAA would "consider" nationalisation.

If you 'consider' the forced appropriation of all businesses, its reasonable to ask the motivations for same.

I looks at coppinger & all I can see are hammers & sickles.

jank

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Hold your horses BoJack, the only direct quote from her in that article mentions strengthening trade unions and the right to be in a trade union, although the article said the AAA would "consider" nationalisation.

You do know what AAA would consider and support is against the constitution of Ireland?

Ruth has form in this already as she stated that she would have nationalised a multinational company. Now how the hell can one nationalise such a company like Dell is anyones guess but lets just say that the comparison of AAA and their like to the whacky creationists in they U.S is very apt. Such divine devotion to their whacky and lunatic beliefs is very much religious in inspiration.

PopePalpatine

Look, I would never vote for the likes of Coppinger in a million years. Even if she was pitted against a fascist, a fanatical "objectivist", David Quinn and Kim Jong-un, I'd spoil my ballot.

jank

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Look, I would never vote for the likes of Coppinger in a million years. Even if she was pitted against a fascist, a fanatical "objectivist", David Quinn and Kim Jong-un, I'd spoil my ballot.

Yet the scary thing is that she is an elected representative and the others would never ever see the light of day of the Dail chamber.

Brendan Bendar

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

If you 'consider' the forced appropriation of all businesses, its reasonable to ask the motivations for same.

I looks at coppinger & all I can see are hammers & sickles.

Incorrect Bo, what you see is someone with a State job to go back to when Middle Ireland sees off this stupidity, not elected, pop back to the teaching job pId for by the State she is trying to wreck.

The hammer and sickle lads were way above that kind of hypocracy,way above.

I could have a bit of respect for them.

Eric Cartman

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Incorrect Bo, what you see is someone with a State job to go back to when Middle Ireland sees off this stupidity, not elected, pop back to the teaching job pId for by the State she is trying to wreck.

The hammer and sickle lads were way above that kind of hypocracy,way above.

I could have a bit of respect for them.

i can just see her as a teacher, "well done in the class test everyone, you all did really well, except billy , who got 0 , so he's off to the gulags and in the spirit of collectivism you all failed, "

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/..._Stores/Salary

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews

two independent employee satisfaction ratings of over 80% aswell as the fact that only 19% voted for strike action show an 80%+ job satisfaction rating among dunnes staff.

they don't show anything. its safe to say while some might be happy, others could be afraid to either vote yes to strike or say anything bad about their employer

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

they don't show anything. its safe to say while some might be happy, others could be afraid to either vote yes to strike or say anything bad about their employer

You must have not put on your glasses

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews this one shows 216 independent reviews from different people ranking their experiences of working in dunnes stores out of 5, with descriptions below and it broken down into multiple categories.

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dunnes_Stores/Salary this one shows average salaries , and if you scroll down enough you get to where it rates 4 out of 5 stars based on 10 reviews.

Now just incase there is something wrong with your computer , I have also embedded screengrabs of these below :





This should clarify it, any further denial is just ignoring facts.

I think its safe to say, 19% of staff have some sort of grievance but overall, over 80% of staff are happy and dont need a union doing anything

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

You must have not put on your glasses

http://ie.indeed.com/cmp/Dunnes-Stores/reviews this one shows 216 independent reviews from different people ranking their experiences of working in dunnes stores out of 5, with descriptions below and it broken down into multiple categories.

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dunnes_Stores/Salary this one shows average salaries , and if you scroll down enough you get to where it rates 4 out of 5 stars based on 10 reviews.

Now just incase there is something wrong with your computer , I have also embedded screengrabs of these below :





This should clarify it, any further denial is just ignoring facts.

I think its safe to say, 19% of staff have some sort of grievance but overall, over 80% of staff are happy and dont need a union doing anything

10 reviews? yeah, safe to say my point still stands