Is sterilisation ever acceptable?

Akrasia

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Hmm, you may not realise it, but the system you're advocating is actually very familiar sounding to the system the State had in place in the not too distant past where they outsourced the welfare of vulnerable people in society to the various religious orders, and well, we all know better now, in hindsight.

Your system would be no different, and indeed nowadays the State through the HSE and the likes of Tusla (only in existence about two years I think, if even that), outsources the welfare of vulnerable people to... you guessed it - various charity organizations.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The RC church were taking children away from women because of the circumstances of their birth without ever giving them any opportunity to raise their own kids.

That is monsterous. My suggestion was only to apply to parents who have already had children and were incapable of raising them and were already being dealt with by the social services for abuse or neglect of children.

There is no comparison between what I am suggesting, and what was done in the past.

One eyed Jack

Akrasia wrote: »

The RC church were taking children away from women because of the circumstances of their birth without ever giving them any opportunity to raise their own kids.

That is monsterous. My suggestion was only to apply to parents who have already had children and were incapable of raising them and were already being dealt with by the social services for abuse or neglect of children.

There is no comparison between what I am suggesting, and what was done in the past.

There is? I just gave you the comparison. You've just chosen to ignore the role the State played in the above.

When it happens again, it would be another few decades before people realise how wrong it was.

The State luckily enough in some ways nowadays, has neither the will, the resources, nor the power, to implement your suggestion.

Korat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

There is? I just gave you the comparison. You've just chosen to ignore the role the State played in the above.

When it happens again, it would be another few decades before people realise how wrong it was.

The State luckily enough in some ways nowadays, has neither the will, the resources, nor the power, to implement your suggestion.

I think the distinction between what the poster suggested and the way the things were done by religious orders is very clear.

FunLover18

eviltwin wrote: »

How do you decide who is suitable to raise a child? That's the thing about being a parent, you can't predict who will be good at it and who won't. And coming from a crap home doesn't mean you're destined to be a waste of space.

How do adoption agencies decide? Surely it would be a similar process.

I agree with your point about never knowing how a child will turn out regardless of their background, so in no way is it a perfect idea but if it was brought in somehow tbh I really wouldn't care.

Lollipops23

Surely incentivized longterm contraception might work better? (coil/implant/injection etc.) Anyone can turn their life around at any point; a junkie on the street today might end up getting clean, a job and a life together for themselves and want children in the future. I don't want to take the possibility away from them, it feels like you're condemning them to that life.

But I also don't want to see innocent kids brought into the former's life.