Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

cloud493

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I didn't buy it because the VB was rare, I got it because it is cool, which it is!
I've got mine some 17 years now, still going strong!
I have a real boy as well but he's costing me a fortune!

Is he the kind of cool in that he makes the rest of you look good?

CiDeRmAn

cloud493 wrote: »

Is he the kind of cool in that he makes the rest of you look good?

No, but soon, we'll be cool by association...
"Ciderman is his Dad? He must be a little bit cool so..."

Mr E

"Ciderman is his Dad? He must be a little bit cool so..."
"No, I said Ciderman, not Spiderman."

:pac:

Allyall

Just browsing different sites and reading more about it.
Wouldn't it be more crazy to assume that nintendo weren't working on a new console?
I'd imagine Sony/Microsoft have already started to develop their next console too (Although, their formula doesn't really stray much farther than the basics.), or at least ideas for it.

Someone here said already that they may have only mentioned it because they didn't want people to get the wrong impression when they announced they were entering the mobile market.

Iwata also said “It is too early to elaborate on the details of this project, but we hope to share more information with you next year.”

Which could mean, they may be able to show some sort of proof of concept next year, with much more to add.

Although, This is from over a year ago, 2017 sounds more believable to me.

CiDeRmAn

This is the madness of it all.
Every tech company is building the next big thing.
While trumpeting the new Apple Watch, Pebble, Samsung Galaxy, Nexus, Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo and so on will have a bunch of men and women beavering away on something better.
The idea that any of them will sit on their success and worry about the follow up another day is bad business.

But for those who look for a cheap, click bait headline the news of a new Nintendo product is mana from heaven, as their fevered sweaty finger tippy tap on theor keyboard, hammering out a conspiracy of betrayal, failure and incompetence on behalf of Nintendo.
Of course, they're full of sh1te, but they post it as they need to generate traffic to make money from the ads on their sites.
And we all know that.
But the vibe they generate can hurt and fatally damage a console, and these parasites seek to gain fame and fortune by being on the winning side of history.

Notice how quiet they have become about the Xbox One, now that the sales have really picked up in the US, once upon a time they predicted doom gloom and failure with barely disguised glee, and now with sales picking up they have fallen silent. Now they move back to the WiiU after the successes of the WiiU release schedule in 2013 and 14 become yesterday's news.

Whatever the future brings for Nintendo you can be sure these parasites will follow, like jackals looking for an easy meal.
Let's ignore them, and focus on the great games instead.

Machismo Fan

Allyall wrote: »

Wouldn't it be more crazy to assume that nintendo weren't working on a new console?
I'd imagine Sony/Microsoft have already started to develop their next console too (Although, their formula doesn't really stray much farther than the basics.), or at least ideas for it.

As CiDeRmAn said every company is doing this. The NX development cycle started in 2012, the next Playstation and X-Box development started last year. The second one is out they move on to the next.

The only reason Nintendo unveiled the NX was to alleviate shareholder concerns that Nintendo might be out of the console hardware market. They haven't mentioned it in any consumer directed stuff, just when talking to shareholders. As I said earlier in the thread I'd be shocked if the NX was released any earlier than Christmas 2017, and if I was a betting man I'd say it'll actually be released a year later.

cloud493

I'd be bolder than that, and say the Wii U will be replaced sooner than the PS4 or XB1. Possibly by the end of 2016/early 2017.

Star Lord

Yeah, I'd put a guess on late 2016 / early 2017 myself also!

Machismo Fan

When it does launch it'll more than likely be Q4 of that particular year (like the vast majority of consoles launched in the last twenty years to get it in the Christmas and now Black Friday market) which is why I really don't think it'll be ready by 2016. And hopefully when they do launch it they learn from the Wii U's mistakes in terms of clarity of branding and available launch titles. And some half decent storage.

CiDeRmAn

cloud493 wrote: »

I'd be bolder than that, and say the Wii U will be replaced sooner than the PS4 or XB1. Possibly by the end of 2016/early 2017.

Looking at the protracted lifespan of the PS3 and 360 we'll be still using their replacements into the next decade.
The WiiU is getting a lifespan akin to the original Xbox, 4 years and done, it'll leave a wake of great videogames though, so far superior to any concurrent system.

cloud493

It will. Zelda will be a nice swan song for it.

CiDeRmAn

Possibly with an enhanced release on the NX?
Make a nice launch game and the system will still be in time to catch the wave of games on the other two current home systems, especially if Nintendo can get SDKs out to developers by the end of 2015.
I'll have to start saving up!

I still reckon the NX will be in two parts, a knock out current gen equivalent home console and a next gen 3DS which will provide DS/3DS backward compatibility as well as Gamepad functionality to allow for WiiU backward compatibility as well as a platform for NX titles that choose to use it.
Could make Ninty a fortune.

cloud493

Pre order the pre order :cool:

Myrddin

cloud493 wrote: »

It will. Zelda will be a nice swan song for it.

Bizarre to think the Wii U Zelda will be the first and likely the last on the system isn't it

PedroBear

Lu Yang, an ex-Microsoft mobile specialist, has been developing "Codename NX" for Nintendo and setting up a "platform infrastructure" if you're to believe todays news.

So with this in mind here are my predictions:

I think the NX will be a kind of handheld of some description, whether it's an out and out smartphone is anybodies guess but regardless it won't have spectacular local hardware. In other words, I think Nintendo will go down the Nvidia route and operate a streaming service. You buy games like from Steam within the new infrastructure DeNa are developing and the game streams right to your handheld which you can then transfer to your living room TV at the swipe of the handheld screen. Everything will be digital. No backwards compatibility I'm sure. But the games you buy will forever be linked to your Nintendo account.

As crazy as it might sound now, I can't see the PS5 or the Xbox Two having actual physical pieces of hardware remotely similar to what we have today sitting in your living room. Five years from now everything will be digital and everything will be streamed right to your phone/living room TV via a service. With this being said, should Nintendo be going down this route, it will give them a good 2 years head start on the competition.

ectoraige

Sources indicate they will be dropping the "Wii" moniker, but maintaining the "U", launch title for the new Platform will be "Nintendo pU"

Star Lord

Outside of large built up areas, there simply isn't the internet infrastructure to support game streaming.

PedroBear

Star Lord wrote: »

Outside of large built up areas, there simply isn't the internet infrastructure to support game streaming.

Good point.

Banjo

What's the comparative size of the gaming market outside of built up areas? How much of their share are they prospectively giving up if they move to Streaming, vs the level of control they get over the retail sector, 2nd hand market and piracy?

Don't see how you'd be able to accurately gauge it without, say, having the WiiU and 3DS occasionally ping home some stats measuring latency to specific servers, usage patterns that might correspond with projected server load, burst and sustained transfer rates, that kind of thing. But there's no reason they couldn't already be doing that, giving them a very accurate picture of how viable a streaming service might be and for how much of their customer base.

Myrddin

I'd hate to see things going digital only via streaming. Look at the chaos caused by up & coming hacker groups making their names by taking down XBL/PSN every Christmas...and all that does is remove multiplayer. Imagine that, but with no access to even your single player games? No thanks, I'll stick with physical as long as I can. Collecting digitally is also very unrewarding.

PedroBear

Myrddin wrote: »

I'd hate to see things going digital only via streaming. Look at the chaos caused by up & coming hacker groups making their names by taking down XBL/PSN every Christmas...and all that does is remove multiplayer. Imagine that, but with no access to even your single player games? No thanks, I'll stick with physical as long as I can. Collecting digitally is also very unrewarding.

I think Nintendo going fully digital and streaming is a good thing. I can see your side of it but the ability to experience games that only 10,000 Euro worth of Titan X GPU's can deliver on your Mickey Mouse dirt cheap handheld is far too much a pull for your average consumer. The days of compulsory meaty hardware components based locally are becoming less of an necessity with technological advancements. You look at digitally distributed sites like Steam and G2A that provide literally nothing impacting financially on the publishers with regards to physical distribution costs, packaging and other expenses - the result is that games are cheaper and can be delivered almost instantly to the consumer.

Of course we're only on the cusp of this and these DDOS attacks must be minimised but that's the responsibility of the companies offering these services and not ours as consumers. I fully expect any clause or brief within these services to allow customer compensation - in fact, I believe when we get to that point, it will be a prerequisite demanded by the market.

The thought of having some centralised unit capable of launching the Orion spacecraft streaming Bloodborne or Star Wars Battlefront in all their glory to your 1970's toaster is a tantalising one.

Star Lord

It is a promising concept, but one that's entirely failed to be delivered yet. Service providers aren't up to this kind of usage, even those that claim to offer 'unlimited' usage. Play any online game and tell me how you feel about lag. Imagine that lag then applied to your single player experience too. Streaming movies is one thing, that doesn't depend on two way communication, you watch it and that's it. Even at that it's not always perfect, and I don't want that kind of experience with my games. Gaming input and the response times associated with that has to be as close to immediate as possible, otherwise the whole thing falls apart.

Now imagine the same, but done over mobile broadband, and how well that'd work.

Myrddin

PedroBear wrote: »

You look at digitally distributed sites like Steam and G2A that provide literally nothing impacting financially on the publishers with regards to physical distribution costs, packaging and other expenses - the result is that games are cheaper and can be delivered almost instantly to the consumer.

Then you look at the PS Store or XB Marketplace & see digital games costing twice, if not three times as much as their phsycial counterparts in a lot of cases. The Steam model I'm down with, cheap affordable gaming that's played locally with some unobtrusive DRM in the background. The console model though, of just stupid pricing models coupled with always-on streaming requirements? No thanks, at that point I'll prob bow out of buying games on consoles. The pricing stranglehold if streaming became the norm alone would put me off using the service. Look at PS Now for another example of just silly pricing using a streaming service.

CiDeRmAn

Nintendo NX

Super Mario Galaxy 3
F Zero NX
Metroid

Take my money, take it all!


Physical media please.
None of your digital only distribution nonsense!

quad_red

Star Lord wrote: »

Outside of large built up areas, there simply isn't the internet infrastructure to support game streaming.

It's not even about download speed. It's about latency. A controller input has to go into the device then back to datacentre, be processed, the image stream updated and then pushed back down the pipe to the device again.

super_furry

I have the Nvidia Shield Tablet and their game streaming service works like a charm. Played through Arkham Asylum and Alan Wake and I might as well have been on a console. Having said that, I do have some pretty fast UPC cable.

Banjo

I thought the nVidia tabs were fairly heavy duty on their own - how much of the game is running on the tablet and how much is running in "the cloud"? Is the tablet just an input and display system with all the computation and rendering offloaded to cloud servers, or does the cloud just look after data storage, computations for the environment outside of a certain area around the player and the paging of data in and out of the tablet, while the tab itself does the rendering and any immediate data quangling? I mean, if you just pull the plug on your router, does the game freeze, does it stutter, does it allow you free reign as long as you don't leave your current cube of reference?

Star Lord

I thought that with the Shield it just streamed the games from your PC?

Andrew76

Star Lord wrote: »

I thought that with the Shield it just streamed the games from your PC?

That's my understanding of them also - it's just an Android tablet that can also stream games from a beefy PC (not from the cloud). And you can buy a controller to use with it also. A bit like playing PS4 games on the Vita, but with added tablet functionality.

No hope the NX is going to be a device that can only stream games from the cloud. Actually, is there any cloud gaming service in use today that actually works? Maybe the NX will do away with physical media (not sure I can see that happening either) but it would still have to download and run games locally I would imagine.

OwaynOTT

Andrew76 wrote: »

That's my understanding of them also - it's just an Android tablet that can also stream games from a beefy PC (not from the cloud). And you can buy a controller to use with it also. A bit like playing PS4 games on the Vita, but with added tablet functionality.

No hope the NX is going to be a device that can only stream games from the cloud. Actually, is there any cloud gaming service in use today that actually works? Maybe the NX will do away with physical media (not sure I can see that happening either) but it would still have to download and run games locally I would imagine.

I think if the NX does away with physical media, it will be a major disappointment in sales.
Just looking at the Nintendo buyers on here and a lot of them are physical game buyers.
A lot of them are almost collectors too and Nintendo stuff by and large is collectable.
Look at the amiibo situation, the majora mask xl and games like Wonderful 101, Zelda Windwaker and Luigi U all hard to get in physical form but still sought after.

super_furry

Star Lord wrote: »

I thought that with the Shield it just streamed the games from your PC?

Nope the Shield does both. It has a streaming service called Nvidia Grid which allows you to stream from a library of games onto your tablet from the cloud. From there you can hook up to your TV via HDMI and you have a pretty powerful streaming hub.

In fact there's just been an update to allow you to stream in 1080p at 60FPS from Grid - http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/05/12/full-hd-60-fps/

readyletsgo

So I know we have absolutely no idea what the 'NX' will be, home console or handheld or a hybrid or something completely different altogether. Everything here is speculation. But for sake of argument I'm gonna say it's a home console.

I think it will try to be a good bit stronger than the ps4/xbone as I think Sony and MS will try get as many years outta those systems like last gen, so another 8 years left in them both.

But I don't think the 'NX' will be backwards compatible with the WiiU. Now what I mean by that is it won't support the gamepad at all. Most of Nintendo's games support the pro controller and they update the ones that don't. I know Splatoon uses the gamepad an stuff but I'm pretty sure they will update it to support the pro controller in the future too. So the 'NX' (if it is a home console) could play WiiU games but not with the gamepad, but will support the pro controller fully. And I think that's gonna be the same for Wii games which support the standard controller, which leave Wii games open for new/HD remakes with a standard controller on the 'NX'.

I know people love the gamepad and yeah I think it's petty cool too but the reality of the thing is, people don't like it or find it too heavy (which it isn't) Or really just don't care about it. Personally I much prefer a standard controller, and right now I find myself playing with the DS4 on the ps4 much more as its just so much more comfortable than the gamepad.

And it will be released by March 2017, with Zelda U as a launch title

Nollog

Iwata answered a question at the last Investor's meet about the NX.

I have confirmed that it will be "a dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept," it should mean that we do not intend it to become a simple "replacement" for Nintendo 3DS or Wii U.

Your question also included the "current notion of thinking about home consoles and handheld devices." When it comes to how dedicated game systems are being played, the situations have become rather different, especially between Japan and overseas. Since we are always thinking about how to create a new platform that will be accepted by as many people around the world as possible, we would like to offer to them "a dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country. This is all that I can confirm today.

As you know, home consoles tank in Japan, but handhelds do very well.
In the West, we like both, with certain apple-fans saying the handheld market here is shrinking.

I imagined this meant it's a hybrid home/handheld.

I think a dockable gamepad would make sense.
If that's right, they'd have a huge hurdle deciding how to handle the power difference between handheld and home consoles.

Ace Attorney

/\/ollog wrote: »

Iwata answered a question at the last Investor's meet about the NX.


As you know, home consoles tank in Japan, but handhelds do very well.
In the West, we like both, with certain apple-fans saying the handheld market here is shrinking.

I imagined this meant it's a hybrid home/handheld.

I think a dockable gamepad would make sense.
If that's right, they'd have a huge hurdle deciding how to handle the power difference between handheld and home consoles.

Indeed im thinking along these lines aswell, with nintendo making consumer accounts now instead of locking games to consoles and them doing games for the mobile market in the future, im guessing nintendo are thinking of a portable home console that you can play on the move to compete with the mobile markets share.

Banjo

Codename NX, when it launches, will be retailed as the "Call Mii" - it's a mobile phone running NintendOS but when you get home you can slot it into the hand of a 3 1/2 foot high Mii figure that will randomly jabber into the phone and perform one of it's 23 set animations (3 custom slots available). This is part of their wellbeing platform - a virtual boy or girl that enriches your life by delighting you and occasionally commenting that you've put on weight or should think about going for a swim. And it has a SNES cart slot in it's mouth. It's eyes are always on cameras that react to the sight of credit cards and upload the data to DeNA.
It will be released Christmas 2016, with a copy of Zelda U clutched in it's non-phone hand, which will be the only way to buy it.

CiDeRmAn

Banjo wrote: »

Codename NX, when it launches, will be retailed as the "Call Mii" - it's a mobile phone running NintendOS but when you get home you can slot it into the hand of a 3 1/2 foot high Mii figure that will randomly jabber into the phone and perform one of it's 23 set animations (3 custom slots available). This is part of their wellbeing platform - a virtual boy or girl that enriches your life by delighting you and occasionally commenting that you've put on weight or should think about going for a swim. And it has a SNES cart slot in it's mouth. It's eyes are always on cameras that react to the sight of credit cards and upload the data to DeNA.
It will be released Christmas 2016, with a copy of Zelda U clutched in it's non-phone hand, which will be the only way to buy it.

I'd probably buy that...

Mr E

Japanese business outlet Nikkei is reporting that the NX will be Android based.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/06/01/report-nintendos-codename-nx-platform-will-be-android-based

Can't help but feel that they'll be chasing their tails to keep it secure and uncracked...

CiDeRmAn

Mr E wrote: »

Japanese business outlet Nikkei is reporting that the NX will be Android based.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/06/01/report-nintendos-codename-nx-platform-will-be-android-based

Can't help but feel that they'll be chasing their tails to keep it secure and uncracked...

You might be right.
But at the moment its just a rumour, though it would be a way to get the software side of things complete a lot sooner.
Will it mean that all the WiiU software will be incompatible though?

Myrddin

Myrddin wrote: »

Hopefully it's not something Android based that they can tie into their new mobile games venture.

Mr E wrote: »

Japanese business outlet Nikkei is reporting that the NX will be Android based.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/06/01/report-nintendos-codename-nx-platform-will-be-android-based

Can't help but feel that they'll be chasing their tails to keep it secure and uncracked...

Ugh...:( Not liking the sounds of that, at. all.

Corholio

“There is no truth to the report saying that we are planning to adopt Android for NX,” a Nintendo spokesman said.

From the past rumours that have been denied but later confirmed, it certainly doesn't mean they won't, but definitely denying it as of now.

Star Lord

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/06/nintendo-nx-wont-using-android-according-exec.html

Link to an article on that denial

The_B_Man

Ye that Android rumout is thick. Lets be honest.

They'd be completely saying good bye to any and all previous software on older systems.
So unless they have a completely seperate device which would work along side the Wii U, like the DS.

Allyall

I read somwhere earlier when it was still a rumour, that the newspaper in Japan that first reported it is notorious for never having any correct stories/news about nintendo.

Irelandcool

Perhaps nintendo could just create their own version of steam where you can buy games through that way and play it on PC. It be very easy to get third party support and stuff. Then make it compatible with all the old nintendo controllers with all the old nintendo and new nintendo games it could work.

Star Lord

The chances of that are non existent. Would never happen.

readyletsgo

Bump

First game confirmed for the 'NX', it's Dragon Quest XI, coming to the NX, PS4 and 3DS. No dates as of yet, but it could very well be next year like the rumours have said about the new system.

Story here http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/07/dragon_quest_xi_is_coming_to_the_nintendo_3ds_and_nintendo_nx

EXCITING!

Myrddin

readyletsgo wrote: »

Dragon Quest XI, coming to the NX, PS4 and 3DS.

Is that an indication that the NX will be in PS4 territory, specs/performance wise?

readyletsgo

Myrddin wrote: »

Is that an indication that the NX will be in PS4 territory, specs/performance wise?

A lot of people seem to think it just might be. And it also kinda confirms the NX will be a home console and the 3ds might have a couple more years left in it. I think they will support the WiiU for 2 or 3 years more also.

Andrew76

Myrddin wrote: »

Is that an indication that the NX will be in PS4 territory, specs/performance wise?

That would be nice if it turns out to be the case. And hopefully the NX architecture is also friendly enough to entice more 3rd party devs to jump on-board.

Allyall

Bit depressing when stories like this become more frequent. It brings home the reality that the Wii U is finished.
Not that it wasn't known anyway.

Two Dragon Quests confirmed apparently. X and XI.
http://kotaku.com/these-are-the-first-nintendo-nx-games-1720545061

But isn't it pretty much a given that Zelda is going to be on it too?