Dublin City very run down

Wurzelbert

Simon2015 wrote: »

If we had "zero tolerance" it would go along way to solving the drugs problem in Dublin.

sure would, but where would you put them all…i think europe has lost its ability to deal with any such issues properly…

Simon2015

Wurzelbert wrote: »

sure would, but where would you put them all…i think europe has lost its ability to deal with any such issues properly…

We need to build more prisons.

Faith+1

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Even Talbot Street is great gas, loads of little shops and,........Guineys! Rummage city there.

I'm sorry but Talbot Street should be nuked from orbit.....it's the only way to be sure.

Lux23

Tristram wrote: »

Might be in the minority but I much prefer shopping on Henry St than Grafton.

Me too, theres more variety, although I tend to shop on both.

Lux23

Simon2015 wrote: »

If we had "zero tolerance" it would go along way to solving the drugs problem in Dublin.

I don't agree with that, I think we should decriminalise the use of illegal drugs and set up legal shooting 'galleries'. That way they are doing it in a safe environment but we don't have to see it. It's always easier for case workers to implement harm reduction strategies if they are talking to addicts a couple of times a day.

Saipanne

I think Smithfield looks alright, especially around the cinema.

Wurzelbert

Simon2015 wrote: »

We need to build more prisons.

for a junkie living on the quays and the boardwalk and sleeping rough most nights, today's prisons would appear to be like a holiday, yet it seems that’s all we have…and the problem runs much deeper in society anyway…hopeless…

Lux23

Wurzelbert wrote: »

for a junkie living on the quays and the boardwalk and sleeping rough most nights, today's prisons would appear to be like a holiday, yet it seems that’s all we have…and the problem runs much deeper in society anyway…hopeless…

Exactly, they aren't scared of prison. There's lots of drugs in there too!

malibu4u

Simon2015 wrote: »

We need to build more prisons.

and put people in them. 3 strikes and you are out, like in parts of the States.

jimmii

malibu4u wrote: »

and put people in them. 3 strikes and you are out, like in parts of the States.

+1 its crazy when you hear of people with 100+ convictions being in court charged yet again. What is the point in prison if it isn't a deterrent.

mikemac1

What's with the vacant building on Ormand Quay. Been empty for years. I believe it used to be a hotel.

Hotels in the city are doing well and that is a prime location. If a developer doesn't want a hotel then the Luas out the back makes it even more attractive for apartments.

Somebody owns this and doesn't seem bothered to do anything with it. Could be profitable in the right hands

Cool Mo D

malibu4u wrote: »

and put people in them. 3 strikes and you are out, like in parts of the States.

Yes because the USA has so effectively solved inner city crime and drugs problems :rolleyes:.

KingBrian2

Faith+1 wrote: »

I'm sorry but Talbot Street should be nuked from orbit.....it's the only way to be sure.

Tad bit extreme don't you think.

miamee

mikemac1 wrote: »

What's with the vacant building on Ormand Quay. Been empty for years. I believe it used to be a hotel.

Hotels in the city are doing well and that is a prime location. If a developer doesn't want a hotel then the Luas out the back makes it even more attractive for apartments.

Somebody owns this and doesn't seem bothered to do anything with it. Could be profitable in the right hands

The people who own it have tried and failed to get permission to knock it and build a brand new hotel there. I can only presume they are working on revising the plans or selling it on again.

Wurzelbert

jimmii wrote: »

+1 its crazy when you hear of people with 100+ convictions being in court charged yet again. What is the point in prison if it isn't a deterrent.

western democracies are beyond help when it comes to tackling the drug epidemic, let’s just face it…we would need the death penalty for dealers as well work camps and other such institutions if we were to make a difference, and all that is out of the question in today’s western world, especially in europe…so i reckon all that’s left is trying to handle the symptoms, i.e. the masses of junkies in our streets and the general decay…
and i sometimes wonder whether there might after all be some secret agenda with the aim of undermining the western world through complete tolerance and indirect support for drug abuse and all sorts of crime…among other things…yet i am straying off topic here…

Lux23

mikemac1 wrote: »

What's with the vacant building on Ormand Quay. Been empty for years. I believe it used to be a hotel.

Hotels in the city are doing well and that is a prime location. If a developer doesn't want a hotel then the Luas out the back makes it even more attractive for apartments.

Somebody owns this and doesn't seem bothered to do anything with it. Could be profitable in the right hands

Some idiots have blocked the owner from doing anything with it because it's in Ulssyes (sic).

hatrickpatrick

Some areas are run down but are being redeveloped. Dublin 8 seems to be undergoing extensive refurbishment at the moment for instance, old '50s apartment blocks are being demolished and rebuilt all around Dolphin's Barn and Rialto where a lot of my friends live.


Why is it that these areas adjacent to the city centre are receiving much needed attention, but the actual city centre itself seems to be largely being ignored?

HeadPig

Lux23 wrote: »

Some idiots have blocked the owner from doing anything with it because it's in Ulssyes (sic).

Spelling not correct I'm afraid.

Actually you can thank Ulysses for greatly enhancing Dublin's reputation as a literary city and desirable tourist attraction for many. Without it there would be an awful lot less money coming into the city.

I don't think we'll be closing down any Joycean Heritage sites in a hurry just to appease philistines like yourself.

mikemac1

It's opening sites that we want to achieve, not leaving a large building idle for a decade

Aard

HeadPig wrote: »

I don't think we'll be closing down any Joycean Heritage sites in a hurry just to appease philistines like yourself.

Other than the James Joyce Bridge amirite? Not that that's what you meant by heritage.

Einhard

I don't think it's inconceivable that we might be able to keep heritage sites open while also developing run down areas of the city...

Kermit.de.frog

Ah sure it will be grand.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/tourist-attacked-with-bottle-just-after-arriving-in-country-31391460.html

This is highly unusual in a city with no justice system worthy of the name and no police. Highly unusual.

You can imagine what does not reach papers. People who are in the city center every day see this drugged up, boozed up, feral behaviour every day. But nobody seems to care.

Valetta

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ah sure it will be grand.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/tourist-attacked-with-bottle-just-after-arriving-in-country-31391460.html

This is highly unusual in a city with no justice system worthy of the name and no police. Highly unusual.

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At the end of the article, who did he say were very helpful?

Kermit.de.frog

And where does it say the scumbag was arrested?

It's not the damage done to an individual tourist that is bad enough but

"When I got on the bus, all the Americans and Canadian tourists, who were shocked, gave me a big cheer," he said.


It's that sort of collateral damage too that leads to reputational damage. But the standards amongst Dubliners themselves and the authorities are too low in terms of tolerance and excuses for this sort of behaviour. And the self inflicted wounds like all the meth clinics within a 1 km radius of each other on the northside let's not forget.

Valetta

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And where does it say the scumbag was arrested?

You said the city has "no police'. That's a lie.

Go down to the courts any day of the week and see all the scumbags that have been arrested.

bucketybuck

HeadPig wrote: »

I don't think we'll be closing down any Joycean Heritage sites in a hurry just to appease philistines like yourself.

Much better to just let them rot instead?

Kermit.de.frog

Valetta wrote: »

You said the city has "no police'. That's a lie.

Where are they? I'm in town every day and have not seen a Garda in, it must be 2 weeks. I see junkies and drunks everywhere during the day so what's going on?

Are they afraid? Are they not equipped? Is there a work to rule? Or do they think there is no point due to the nature of the justice system?

Valetta

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Where are they? I'm in town every day and have not seen a Garda in, it must be 2 weeks. I see junkies and drunks everywhere during the day so what's going on?

Are they afraid? Are they not equipped? Is there a work to rule? Or do they think there is no point due to the nature of the justice system?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-appears-in-court-after-bottle-attack-on-tourist-in-dublin-687428.html

cgcsb

It's also a planning issue, there's a Focus Ireland centre in temple bar, one in christchurch. Merchant's quay Ireland is right opposite the four courts.

Basically they put all these places and meth clinics right adjacent to the most visited tourist spots in the state.

In contrast go to Amsterdam where drug addiction is rife. All the treatment centres are banished to some old industrial estate by the ring road. Barely a junky in sight

Wurzelbert

cgcsb wrote: »

It's also a planning issue, there's a Focus Ireland centre in temple bar, one in christchurch. Merchant's quay Ireland is right opposite the four courts.

Basically they put all these places and meth clinics right adjacent to the most visited tourist spots in the state.
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i too wonder why that is…is it some misguided attempt at resocialisation or just weird urban management? same with the old (60s?) council estates scattered all over the inner city that make even the nice areas feel slightly dodgy as the nearest such estate is always just around the corner…