Billions [Showtime] [** Spoilers **]

seligehgit

Bullocks wrote: »

I thought it wasnt the best episode but good nonetheless .
Is Wags heading for a beakdown or something ?

It seemed to be insinuated that he was losing his touch,slightly on the outs with Bobby.In need of a therapy session with the new crazy psychologist.Too much drugs...there seemed to be a lightbulb moment in the restaurant when he lost the rag with the young pups and the realisation hit him that stressors of a relatively minor nature were now affecting him.

So to answer your question I'd imagine so,yes!:D

Fred Swanson

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seligehgit

Bullocks wrote: »

Is it not on again next tuesday night ?

Yes episode 3...episode 2 last night.

Mushy

5starpool wrote: »

Just to clarify, ye are talking about episode 2?

Is there a delay for episode 3 or were the first 2 just released early?

Yeah episode 2, I'm just going sky Atlantic pace

5starpool

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes episode 3...episode 2 last night.

Episode 2 was available online over a week ago, which is why I'm asking about whether they were just leaked, which it appears they were.

JP Liz V1

Renewed

http://tvline.com/2017/03/08/billions-renewed-season-3-showtime/

Boom_Bap

Latest episode was great, really like the new 'they' character that has been introduced.
I'm still not so sure about the convenience of the Axe getting involved in the new case.
The new motivator is brilliant as well.

Fred Swanson

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Bullocks

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Latest episode was great, really like the new 'they' character that has been introduced.
I'm still not so sure about the convenience of the Axe getting involved in the new case.
The new motivator is brilliant as well.

I don't think this series is as good as the last but hopefully there are a few twists on the way . I really want to see a bit of Wags off his head :D
Is the new "they " a man or a woman ? Could be Ax's saviour or hang him out to dry

alchemist33

Fred Swanson wrote: »

What was in the drips?

Just plain old IV fluids, probaly saline or maybe glucose.


The Axe/Taylor dynamic is very well done; two really smart people sussing each other out.

Boom_Bap

Saline, nurses tend to use them for hangovers before starting a shift

Mushy

Really enjoyed the episode last night, find it well balanced coming into second half of the season, anything could happen!

alchemist33

Same here, I thought it was really good. It was funny to see Brian working the jury.

Mushy

alchemist33 wrote: »

Same here, I thought it was really good. It was funny to see Brian working the jury.

I got flashbacks to American Crime Story with that scene, it was great.

Also, the scene of the investigator talking to Chuck about how he loves ruining people who do wrong, I hope he's still in it in some manner!

duffysfarm

i think that this has to be one of the best tv series at the moment. no mad budgets on special effects, just real acting. it looks as if axe is setting himself up for a further argument when he told his wife that he wouldnt see wendy the councillor at work when she said she wouldnt see him. i would be very dissapointed if this happened as it would be very lazy tv.

Bullocks

Mushy wrote: »

I got flashbacks to American Crime Story with that scene, it was great.

Also, the scene of the investigator talking to Chuck about how he loves ruining people who do wrong, I hope he's still in it in some manner!

Best show this season I think , that investigator is good value alright . He will still be a thorn in Chucks side going forward I'd say .
I almost felt sorry for Axel at the end ,he will never get to enjoy that motorbike now that his deal is so shagged . The future at work or home doesnt look great for him

Mushy

Another good episode, I can see how the Rhodes v Axe battle will continue beyond their current roles!

Boom_Bap

I loved the ending of that last episode, getting into his fancy car for a spin while on the phone telling whoever was on it to start bleeding the town until he recoups his money. Ruthless.

Mushy

Thats where I think the clash will come. Rhodes can get easy support from people who won't like what Axe has done to the town, allowing him go into politics with huge support and a shot at annoying Axe.

Love when the vintage rock songs come on, you know Axe is being a prick!

Boom_Bap

But it all leads back to Rhodes dad getting involved, that's going to be another tricky obstacle for him.

Quintis

Sandicot is in Upstate NY, Chuck wasn't polling well upstate. Scene set for Chuck to step in as the hero for the people of Sandicot helping his election chances and getting one over on Axelrod at the same time...

alchemist33

I don't quite understand that. He bought the land in anticipation of the casino, but how did he end up buying the town's debt too?

Boom_Bap

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't quite understand that. He bought the land in anticipation of the casino, but how did he end up buying the town's debt too?

I understand it that he wont get return on sale of the land as the developers will not be buying the land to build the infrastructure for the casino.

alchemist33

But how does that give him the power over the town, to sell buildings, close public services etc?

Boom_Bap

I thought it was through the stock market is how he would bleed the town.

Mitch Connor

He bought the bonds the towns debt/finance is based on. He bought the land (and bike) because it was a key piece of land for the casino and the casino couldn't have been built without it. Had the guy sold he land like his neighbors did then Axe wouldn't have been involved in that part of it. The land was incidental in terms of the direct money Axe Capital would look to make overall.

Once the casino was built the town would have started making loads of money through construction, taxes, tourism etc - and therefor the bonds that they use to fund the town would have increased in value - so the bonds Axe now owns would have been worth way more than he bought them for.

Now the casino isn't being built the bonds are worthless as the town can't afford to pay the interest on them (never mind pay them back) - so Axe will force the default and take control of all their assets - he will force budget cuts/asset sales to cover the money owed. Similar to IMF/EU centric budgets Ireland had after the crash. Think of Sandicot as Ireland, and Axe Capital as the IMF/EU

FreudianSlippers

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't quite understand that. He bought the land in anticipation of the casino, but how did he end up buying the town's debt too?

Buying all the town's debt was the first thing they did (probably by way of promissory note although I don't think they say this immediately) - that cost Axe Capital $500m, but no big deal because they knew the casino was going there.

Then there is the holdout who owns the land that the casino is supposed to be going on (or realistically the last holdout as it's implied the others have already sold to the proposed casino's owner) - if this guy doesn't sell, the casino can't go ahead and AC loses the $500m; however the casino owner won't go over a certain amount (can't remember the amount but I think it was like $500k) Bobby goes up to offer his own $500k on top of the $500k that's on offer, but the guy holds out for $5m.

All of this presumes that they have the insider info on the licence for the casino, but it goes a different direction, so now Axe Capital is stuck with $500m worth of debt in a bankrupt town, Bobby personally owns $5m land worth less than $500k (and an Indian-Four).

FreudianSlippers

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He bought the bonds the towns debt/finance is based on. He bought the land (and bike) because it was a key piece of land for the casino and the casino couldn't have been built without it. Had the guy sold he land like his neighbors did then Axe wouldn't have been involved in that part of it. The land was incidental in terms of the direct money Axe Capital would look to make overall.

Once the casino was built the town would have started making loads of money through construction, taxes, tourism etc - and therefor the bonds that they use to fund the town would have increased in value - so the bonds Axe now owns would have been worth way more than he bought them for.

Now the casino isn't being built the bonds are worthless as the town can't afford to pay the interest on them (never mind pay them back) - so Axe will force the default and take control of all their assets - he will force budget cuts/asset sales to cover the money owed. Similar to IMF/EU centric budgets Ireland had after the crash. Think of Sandicot as Ireland, and Axe Capital as the IMF/EU

Beat me to it by less than 2 mins!

Mushy

Boom_Bap wrote: »

But it all leads back to Rhodes dad getting involved, that's going to be another tricky obstacle for him.

And that's what makes it fun!

Overall it'll keep the Axe v Rhodes feud going, but in a different direction which will be interesting. Lots of obstacles to come, but that'll be the intriguing part!

mikeoneilly

this show is a step above anything else I'm watching atm

its been high quality all season