IVCA race canceled this Sunday

AmberGold

Do the Garda Cycling Club have an opinion relating to these matters? A fair few are IVCA members.

wav1

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Man, you are olde! I added the 'e' to emphasize the level of old!

Will you still need will you still feed me when im ...?

Beasty

AmberGold wrote: »

Do the Garda Cycling Club have an opinion relating to these matters? A fair few are IVCA members.

The Garda Cycling club were joint promoters of the Ballbriggan weekend but those races still did not go ahead. I am sure they are fully supportive of open (and indeed club) racing. However they are simply that - a club - that should allow them no more influence than any other club.

bcmf

Eamonnator wrote: »

Those Tuesday evening races were great fun. I really enjoyed them.

That 'old' circuit in the park was great. Started at the Ashtown gate up to the main road - left the main road and a big gallop down to the Eagle (Phoenix) monument fast sharp left and all the way back to the Ashtown gate. Safe and very fast.

Borderfox

This was 1991 I think, coming down towards the Ashtown gate. I'm on the right, white jersey and Giro Air Attack helmet

Inquitus

Borderfox wrote: »

This was 1991 I think, coming down towards the Ashtown gate. I'm on the right, white jersey and Giro Air Attack helmet

Only 6 of you in the bunch and you are all over the road

RobFowl

Borderfox wrote: »

This was 1991 I think, coming down towards the Ashtown gate. I'm on the right, white jersey and Giro Air Attack helmet

Great pic, brings back memories

lennymc

Inquitus wrote: »

Only 6 of you in the bunch and you are all over the road

count fail.

Inquitus

lennymc wrote: »

count fail.

2 of them are off the back!

lennymc

Inquitus wrote: »

2 of them are off the back!

even excluding the 2 off the back, count fail. There are 8 (unless I'm going mad)

RobFowl

lennymc wrote: »

even excluding the 2 off the back, count fail. There are 8 (unless I'm going mad)

I can count 9 in the group and 1 off the back...

wanderer 22

8 in the front group, 2 just off the back and one way back...

lennymc

yeah - i count 10. it's a great picture. I love seeing pictures like this, from before the time when everyone had cameras on phones and stuff.

Raam

I got 11 including the lad off the back.

lennymc

Raam wrote: »

I got 11 including the lad off the back.

oooh. look at me. I can count past 10.

I suspect we have kind of gone ot here.....

Beasty

Depends how far off the back you want to go. Looks like there may be 3 completely detached making 13 in total.....

lenny - can't really be off topic if all we are doing is showing you cannot count:pac:

ROK ON

Raam wrote: »

I got 11 including the lad off the back.

I get 13 depending on how many are off the back.
10 in front bunch and I make out three off the back.

CramCycle

Red square around the individuals I can make out:



So 11 in the front and 1 out the back

Borderfox

We were all off the back!!!! :-)

Raam

How many people are not in the picture?

Beasty

Raam wrote: »

How many people are not in the picture?

Well I'm not. I reckon there were another 5.4 billion or so who were also not in it....

Lusk_Doyle

Jesus lads. Slow Sunday, is it?

CramCycle

What are the options available to the ICVA that they will cover on Tuesday?

bcmf

CramCycle wrote: »

What are the options available to the ICVA that they will cover on Tuesday?

According to the email that arrived yesterday they seem a bit stumped as to what to do.
If the situation doesnt spread ie just Fingal and Meath (North Meath only???) how many races are affected.
Lets say next weekend is in a place called The Mullagh.Where the fook is Mullagh?

Beasty

CramCycle wrote: »

What are the options available to the ICVA that they will cover on Tuesday?

Think the meeting is as much to try and work out what options there may be. To start with though they will need to explain a little more of the background to their decision to pull today's races. I understand their problem at present is they have become aware that the local Gardai may be applying an approach that in the absence of closed roads all racing must be 100% within the RoTR, leaving any officers of the company as well as anyone directly involved in organising specific events (including marshals) in a potentially very difficult position.

They have communicated that they have spoken to a CI Board member and that CI are now seeing similar difficulties with racing both in Co Meath and Fingal. I think there may be a bit more of a steer when we see how the forthcoming Stamullen and Drogheda weekends proceed. In the meantime I am not seeing any reason to pull any TTs, but they may have to be run 100% within the RoTR unless there is further guidance from the Gardai

Personally I think (if they have not already done so) they should seek a direct meeting with the local Gardai to establish if there is any leeway at all, and specifically whether they can adopt a "business as usual" approach.

Beasty

bcmf wrote: »

Where the fook is Mullagh?

Co Meath unfortunately. Like a lot of their circuits it's another in the Batterstown area

EDIT: Should just add it's officially my favourite circuit, being the only one I've ever won a RR on!

bcmf

A quick count of the counter leaves 3 or 4 road races still able to go ahead. The Curragh and Tullamore!

Inquitus

Beasty wrote: »

In the meantime I am not seeing any reason to pull any TTs, but they may have to be run 100% within the RoTR unless there is further guidance from the Gardai

TT's are much like Corkagh Park, a nice occasional diversion from the real business of road racing, a Vets or Swords league full of those and not much else holds very limited appeal.

pprendeville

Stamullen is part of the National Road Series, hopefully the powers that be can rescue this one.

wav1

pprendeville wrote: »

Stamullen is part of the National Road Series, hopefully the powers that be can rescue this one.

Stamullen and Drogheda both go ahead.Garda help would be nice but neither event perceives that it needs any powers that be to rescue them.

Eamonnator

An Garda Siochana help cycle racing in a number of ways: by actively helping with Patrol cars, motorcycles, traffic control at races, supervising marshals,controlling parking, etc. etc.
But, they also help passively: by ignoring breaches of the Road Traffic Acts, and indeed by staying away from cycle races. If a garda wanted traffic offences, he would get them aplenty at any cycle race in the country. I cannot think of any race(held on public roads), in which riders do not break the law, by not stopping at stop signs.
In addition, any bike race, held on a public road, without a road closure order and without Garda assistance, is completely dependant on the good will of other road users.Marshals routinely stop traffic at junctions, without any force of law. Lead cars encourage oncoming traffic to slow down or stop to facilitate races. Traffic is stopped to allow bunch sprints, etc.

wav1

Eamonnator wrote: »

An Garda Siochana help cycle racing in a number of ways: by actively helping with Patrol cars, motorcycles, traffic control at races, supervising marshals,controlling parking, etc. etc.
But, they also help passively: by ignoring breaches of the Road Traffic Acts, and indeed by staying away from cycle races. If a garda wanted traffic offences, he would get them aplenty at any cycle race in the country. I cannot think of any race(held on public roads), in which riders do not break the law, by not stopping at stop signs.

Problem going forward is that they wont be doing what they were and they will be doing what they weren't.

Inquitus

wav1 wrote: »

Problem going forward is that they wont be doing what they were and they will be doing what they weren't.

How does decades of the status quo working successfully get ruined by one gobshíte from Balbriggan?

Eamonnator

Inquitus wrote: »

How does decades of the status quo working successfully get ruined by one gobshíte from Balbriggan?

one gob****e?

Inquitus

Eamonnator wrote: »

one gob****e?

Well it seems this Super in Balbriggan has pro-actively, singlehandedly taken things to where they are now on account of one incident in a race in Ballyboughal 3 years ago.

Eamonnator

Inquitus wrote: »

Well it seems this Super in Balbriggan has pro-actively, singlehandedly taken things to where they are now on account of one incident in a race in Ballyboughal 3 years ago.

I don't know the full facts, but I'm pretty sure that the Super. you refer to, was not stationed in Balbriggan

Eamonnator

And, strictly speaking, would he not have been condoning breaches of the Road Traffic Acts, by doing nothing.

Eamonnator

I was a garda for 30 years, I retired 11 years ago. Shortly after I retired, I was spectating, with my wife at a local race.We drove to a good viewing point on the course. I was parking my car, safely, having judged, when the race would be passing, when "an official car" passed. He had flashing lights on the roof. The driver leaned out the window and shouted "get your f***ing car off the road now".
I'm here to tell you now, that if I had been a serving member at that time, that official would have ceased his duties there and then.
I have a feeling, that something similar, may have happened in Ballyboughal.
A thick, annoyed garda is a very dangerous animal.

Inquitus

Eamonnator wrote: »

A thick, annoyed garda is a very dangerous animal.

Maybe so, but petty vindictiveness is not an attribute that should be associated with a senior Garda, or indeed any Garda.

not sane

That is awful. In fairness the IVCA has brought a lot of its troubles by the actions of a few.

Eamonnator

Inquitus wrote: »

Maybe so, but petty vindictiveness is not an attribute that should be associated with a senior Garda, or indeed any Garda.

Of course not, but if presented with aggressiveness, such as I outlined, the matter should not be ignored.

Raam

Eamonnator wrote: »

Of course not, but if presented with aggressiveness, such as I outlined, surely understandable.

He could have had the individual scolded rather than the entire racing cycling population of Fingal.

lennymc

Inquitus wrote: »

Maybe so, but petty vindictiveness is not an attribute that should be associated with a senior Garda, or indeed any Garda.

I dont think obeying and enforcing the law is petty vindictivness. I do think that if i (as a normal civillian) was ordered to do anything on the road by anyone other than a garda, i would tell them to GFO. IMHO it was only a matter of time, given the popularity of cycling, that something had to happen. It just so happened that (as far as I understand it) a marshall ordered a garda to remain stationary and the garda took offence. in fairness, I think we have no one to blame but ourselves, and the garda in balbriggan just happens to be an easy target.

just my thoughts.

lennymc

Raam wrote: »

He could have had the individual scolded rather than the entire cycling population of Fingal.

The entire cycling population of Fingal does not race, and, as I understand it, the objections only apply to the running of road races.

Raam

lennymc wrote: »

The entire cycling population of Fingal does not race, and, as I understand it, the objections only apply to the running of road races.

I mean the racing population.

Beasty

Eamonnator wrote: »

I don't know the full facts, but I'm pretty sure that the Super. you refer to, was not stationed in Balbriggan

The trigger for the current situation was a suspension of racing by Swords CC following instructions from the person Inquitus is referring to.

On the back of that the same individual has effectively stopped all road racing in Fingal unless on fully closed roads. Balbriggan Gardai have recently contacted at least one station within Co Meath essentially asking them to toe the (well actually his) line. That station has now sought to escalate the issue within and across Co Meath.

AFAIK the situation with the IVCA is largely pre-emptive having been given information concerning info currently circulating within the various Co Meath Garda stations

Inquitus

Nevermind

Hmmzis

Inquitus wrote: »

Maybe so, but petty vindictiveness is not an attribute that should be associated with a senior Garda, or indeed any Garda.

Would this petty vindictiveness be reason enough for a more senior officer to launch or request an investigation of said guard's previous cases and interactions with the public? If he is in the force for the power trips then it sure isn't the first time he has done something like this.

ROK ON

Hmmzis wrote: »

Would this petty vindictiveness be reason enough for a more senior officer to launch or request an investigation of said guard's previous cases and interactions with the public? If he is in the force for the power trips then it sure isn't the first time he has done something like this.

Given that AGS has an abysmal record of investigating pretty serious alleged wrongdoing by the Gardai then best of luck with this.

Either ignore the direction or build bridges to get an accommodation on what is a subjectively grey area in terms of the law.

Beasty

It's very difficult to challenge a member of the Gardai on the basis he is seeking to apply the letter of the law