Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

limerick to be the '2015 Waterford of 2016'. If limerick do go on to win the league than the league structure will be changed for 2017 id say

Calm down... they won a league quarter final is all

Xenophile

If there are three Munster teams in the Semi Finals, the only sensible place to play a double header is Thurles.

By the way, the league structure is fine as it is.

Dick phelan

I know this get's asked all the time but is this being shown live on tv?

mickmackmcgoo

Dick phelan wrote:

I know this get's asked all the time but is this being shown live on tv?

No its not on TV but you can listen to local radio and hear Kieran o Connor with the standard commentary which could be from any Match he ever commentates on " he takes the shot , looks like a good one , oh it's tailed right and wide , from here it looked over "

Dick phelan

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

No its not on TV but you can listen to local radio and hear Kieran o Connor with the standard commentary which could be from any Match he ever commentates on " he takes the shot , looks like a good one , oh it's tailed right and wide , from here it looked over "

Ha to be fair i like O'Connor

PTH2009

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

No its not on TV but you can listen to local radio and hear Kieran o Connor with the standard commentary which could be from any Match he ever commentates on " he takes the shot , looks like a good one , oh it's tailed right and wide , from here it looked over "

He also starts going on about players grandmother's, 3rd cousins etc. He also says the wrong score sometimes

He will have a stroke if we ever win the Liam McCarthy

HillFarmer

PTH2009 wrote: »

He also starts going on about players grandmother's, 3rd cousins etc. He also says the wrong score sometimes

He will have a stroke if we ever win the Liam McCarthy

I enjoy listening to him, cant wait now for Wexford.

JesusRef

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

No its not on TV but you can listen to local radio and hear Kieran o Connor with the standard commentary which could be from any Match he ever commentates on " he takes the shot , looks like a good one , oh it's tailed right and wide , from here it looked over "

I hate when he does that, terrible radio commentary, he is at it long enough surely he could have ironed out this flaw, it's very annoying when listening it has totally turned me off listening to him do matches

wats the craic

JesusRef wrote: »

I hate when he does that, terrible radio commentary, he is at it long enough surely he could have ironed out this flaw, it's very annoying when listening it has totally turned me off listening to him do matches

sure switch over to southeast radio to the legend that is liam spratt ............

mountgomery burns

Tipp and Kilkenny have a home and away agreement. The GAA decide who is home and whos away during the round robin so might work off previous league final meetings.

I think 2014 was in Thurles so that would suggest Nowlan Park. Limerick though may not want to play there as they have a good bit further to travel than Waterford. Also they travel in numbers where Dublin don't so that might mean 20,000 can't hold the crowd. Waterford are travelling in numbers and Id say Kilkenny and Tipp fans will travel for that semi final, especially when they get an extra game.

It'll be an interesting decision, probably Thurles at this stage.

PTH2009

5 to 0 down playing bad

Maurie wide just there

PTH2009

Cronic performance from us. Looking like no semis for us if we keep playing like this

7-1 down now

O Riain

PTH2009 wrote: »

Cronic performance from us. Looking like no semis for us if we keep playing like this

7-1 down now

Relax, coming back into now.

courtylad

cul beag wrote: »

2 points scored? Ah come on now that has to be a joke! 3 months training to kick 2 points? That's inexcusable,sorry now but I'm not taking any rubbish reasons why this happened its a complete waste of time and money. We have secured 2 points in division 4 of the football league and we still persist with the charade aswell? What happened to Paddy Joe's think tank that was going to sort all the issues with football in Waterford?
I wonder how did Kilkenny get on in their Leinster u21 football championship game?!!!!!!!

Long time reader, never post... find the board to be good but bad at times...Scrolling back through and found this about the terrible football played at U21, which was a disgrace. I dont think Ger Power should of got the job for a 2nd term after the whopping we got in Malbay off Clare... He should definitely not be returning. Id like to see Oran Curran of Dungarvan in it or Tim Lenihan of shamrocks. Think they are involved with the Co. Minors again this year. Oran was manager when we ran Cork close in the semis and was with the lads all the way through, should go for the job or a club senior manager. I do and I dont blame Ger Power, knew since November we'd get whopped wasnt quality involved... People say we should have more duals but at this age u21 + your not going to have many of them with seniors that aint natural hurlers. Only Duals be Conor Gleeson, Conor Prunty, Darragh Lyons, Cormac Curran that should be involved with the senior hurlers and the u21 footballers next year. Dont think they made enough effort to attract all the best players in the county.

From the team that togged against Cork id name 6 of them at a push to be the best 15 at u21 football. Realistically your quality footballers are coming from 6-8 clubs and Id rather of named a team that didnt train that are the best in the county than 15 that are not up to it. Fair play to them, they tried but there are beter quality. My club courty for next year you have, you have Kevin Dwane, Conor Prunty, John Elsted, Conor McCarthy, David Looby, Neil Montgomery... The Nire have Conor Gleeson, Jack Guiry, Dylan Guiry, Jake Mulcahy, Ciaran Looney... Brickeys have Cormac Curran, Cathal Curran, Carthach Barry, Paul Whelan, Darragh O' Grady, Ciaran O' Neill... St Oliver have Liam O' Connell, Michael Culoo, Mikey Phelan... Strabally have Michael Sweeney, Darren McGuickan, Jack Mullaney, Ciaran Cusack... Gaultier have Sean White, Dean Kearns... St Saviours have Keelan Cassidy... Rathgormack have Conor Murray... Ardmore have Eoin Conway... Killrossanty have Donal Fitzgerald...Dungarvan have Darragh Lyons... Roughly 30 players there maybe two more that come on form... have a panel of 33 roughly. Out of them players 8 were invovled this year on the u21 and 3 started. Of my list maybe 5 are minor atm. No training and naming a team youd see better results than this. Think Nire had a lad starting freshers UCC, Brickeys a lad UCD, St Oliver a lad UL... and not sure if Prunty player football for CIT, pretty sure there the colleges and not invovled u21. Says alot. Fresher teams are of a higher standard than co u21 football probably bar your kerrys and what have you. Even if the u21 co champions represented waterford youd see better scoring than two points. I dont know how they can complain about not been able to get the players together. McGuiness with Donegal trained Fridays nights and Sunday morning for u21... Hard running friday and skills sunday and they got to an u21 all ireland final with an average team. Lads be in college and working but every county is in the same boat, and cork, although bigger, they have lads away at college not all of them go to CIT/UCC... Every team is in the same boat.


Id name the following for next year based on what ive seen over the past 2 years at minor - senior:
1) Kevin Dwane (Balinacourty),
2) Conor McCarthy (Balinacourty), 3) Jake Mulcahy (The Nire), 4) Jack Guriy (The Nire),
5) Kieran O' Neill (Brickey Rangers), 6) John Elsted (Balinacourty), 7) Jack Mullaney (Stradbally),
8) Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers), 9) Conor Prunty (Balinacourty),
10) Dylan Guiry (The Nire), 11) Conor Murray (Rathgormack), 12) Darragh Lyons (Dungarvan),
13) Michael Sweeney (Stradbally), 14) Liam O' Connell (Gerdlines, St. Olives), 15) Conor Gleeson (The Nire).

Id drop Darragh Lyons back to man mark the centre forward, Leave John Elstead free to boss that space and run forward. Play the strengths, long kick outs to too 6ft 5 giants in the middle of the field, who like to let the ball in quick. Push either Sweeney out to wing forward. Leave two quick lads O' Connell and Gleeson inside. O' Connell is minor this year and wont tog for them even tho he was the highest gers scorer from full forward last year.
Only concerns be full back, If Jake mulcahy be up too it great, if not Brickeys have a fresher who was full back at UCD either Whelan or Barry, probably play them at full or switch them with Jack Guiry. Other concern be Darragh Lyons and Cormac Curran not togging, think if Oran Curran was manager they'd tog Darragh being Orans club and Curran his midfielder during the minor championship for two years. Curran aint in with the seniors or if he is hes extended on the hurlers so he could be available even if he trained once a week.

Solid team, Decent bench too pull from aswell have a good 4- 6 players that could potentially start if needed. Curran tends to dominate 65-65 Prunty 21-21 they troubled Kerry and Cork cause they couldnt win the kickouts which is why we were competitive. Two of the best runners in the county of the wing, O' Neill and Mullaney, serious man markers who should be Co. Senior corner or wing backs. That team should be good enough to contest a Munster Final, long way out but it should. If that team is got together and 3 - 4 months training and we sore 2 points then ill conceed we are not a footballing county. However until I see that team played together there is still hope.

We will be decent enough in the years to come under the right manager, was no development structure that Lenihan, Curran and Kiely excuted perfectly...If they got half of what the hurlers got at underage we'd go farer. Probably in 10 years struggling div 2, maybe do a Limerick and get in a munster final or two... Get a serious manager be looking further but be hard to attract.

PTH2009

Ref might as well put a Wexford Jersey on .

9-8 to Wexford ht.

courtylad

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ref might as well put a Wexford Jersey on .

9-8 to Wexford ht.

McGuiness said something similar to this, the league doesnt matter, but the league never lies. Trouble with cork is they always are too competitive in the league, they play how they want too play in Munster... Thats how they always lose in Munster. They reveal there hand too early on. Its better lose the league, try young lads, come in under the radar and not reveal the way you want to play the game until the all ireland qf semi if your lucky. Playing different versions of how you want to play. Its all psychological, Mickey Harte are the best at it.

Morale of the story, this is how Wexford will play in championship, this is not how Waterford will, if i was a manager going up against Wexford this be the game to analysis cause this will be the type of hurling, movement, space creating game they'll try to replicate all year.

No manager is going to look at this game and see how waterford played well, yet to put of the proper 15, they'll have to go back to last year to watch our play... And our play this year will be different than last year. Losing this game will be more benefical in the long run. We'll be a step ahead of the rest of the teams who performed in the league. Thats why you always throw the league but dont get relegated from the league, its the breeding ground for trying tactics and younger players... read nothing into this game, it happens.

conditioned games

courtylad wrote: »

McGuiness said something similar to this, the league doesnt matter, but the league never lies. Trouble with cork is they always are too competitive in the league, they play how they want too play in Munster... Thats how they always lose in Munster. They reveal there hand too early on. Its better lose the league, try young lads, come in under the radar and not reveal the way you want to play the game until the all ireland qf semi if your lucky. Playing different versions of how you want to play. Its all psychological, Mickey Harte are the best at it.

Morale of the story, this is how Wexford will play in championship, this is not how Waterford will, if i was a manager going up against Wexford this be the game to analysis cause this will be the type of hurling, movement, space creating game they'll try to replicate all year.

No manager is going to look at this game and see how waterford played well, yet to put of the proper 15, they'll have to go back to last year to watch our play... And our play this year will be different than last year. Losing this game will be more benefical in the long run. We'll be a step ahead of the rest of the teams who performed in the league. Thats why you always throw the league but dont get relegated from the league, its the breeding ground for trying tactics and younger players... read nothing into this game, it happens.

Kilkenny National League Champions;
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Yea I see your point about throwing league games is better in the long run!!!!! We certainly don't want to be breeding a winning mentality in the whole county set up. Much better to come in under the radar and hope to trick the opposition come championship and then trick everyone on the way to winning the all Ireland.

courtylad

conditioned games wrote: »

Kilkenny National League Champions;
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Yea I see your point about throwing league games is better in the long run!!!!! We certainly don't want to be breeding a winning mentality in the whole county set up. Much better to come in under the radar and hope to trick the opposition come championship and then trick everyone on the way to winning the all Ireland.

You breed players have a team like Kilkenny you just are naturally going to win, he has won the league with half a team half the time... You show your hand in the league youll get caught. Happened to us against Limerick in 2007, the three games in a row didnt help but they were the same, they had us caught cause we tried to replicate the NHL league final. You can perform in a friendly, you can perform in the league but unless you perform in the championshp your nothing - Brian Cody

deise_boi

courtylad wrote: »

... You show your hand in the league youll get caught. Happened to us against Limerick in 2007, the three games in a row didnt help but they were the same, they had us caught cause we tried to replicate the NHL league final

You can't blame the league for losing that game. Sure by that logic we showed our hand by beating them in the munster final that year. Success breeds success. There are very few games in the inter county calendar so a winning culture can only be a good thing

taytobreath

that was close

tomwaterford

taytobreath wrote: »

that was close

If Wexford had any forwards they'd have won handy...about 7 easy wides at one stage

redlead

That's a very poor result. We should be beating Wexford pulling up but always seem to concede a goal whenever we have any sort of comfort room. Yet another game without scoring a goal too; this just won't be good enough in the championship. Would appreciate it if someone who was at the game could throw up a synopsis of how it went. RTEs coverage was crap as usual.

thesultan

Question now, If Waterford beat Limerick is the club championship going to be changed?

DiscoStew

thesultan wrote: »

Question now, If Waterford beat Limerick is the club championship going to be changed?

Last year the first round of fixtures was put off, the games originally fixed for the second round became the first fixtures and the games originally fixed for first weekend were played the weekend after then. Probably be something similar again if were to reach league final again.

PTH2009

redlead wrote: »

That's a very poor result. We should be beating Wexford pulling up but always seem to concede a goal whenever we have any sort of comfort room. Yet another game without scoring a goal too; this just won't be good enough in the championship. Would appreciate it if someone who was at the game could throw up a synopsis of how it went. RTEs coverage was crap as usual.

Very disappointing performance, especially tactics. We have the players to beat a fairly poor Wexford team, but not allow to show it. Not scoring goals is going to be difficult when u play extra defenders and forces either long range scores or pin point passes to a very strong forward. There is some argument for this system against better opposition, but I think our young team have developed enough to go straight 15 (or close). This is going to be rich coming from me, but we need to be more positive and believe in players and lessen defensive system. Otherwise we can only ever have limited success.

thesultan

DiscoStew wrote: »

Last year the first round of fixtures was put off, the games originally fixed for the second round became the first fixtures and the games originally fixed for first weekend were played the weekend after then. Probably be something similar again if were to reach league final again.

Could the county board let the teams know

mountgomery burns

The hurling is planned around Waterford being in the league final, first two rounds are scheduled for the two weeks after the league so they will go ahead as planned.

The senior football championship begins next weekend and will go ahead. He second round will be put back, not sure if just until the following week after the semi finals or if it will be pushed back longer.

thesultan

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The hurling is planned around Waterford being in the league final, first two rounds are scheduled for the two weeks after the league so they will go ahead as planned.

The senior football championship begins next weekend and will go ahead. He second round will be put back, not sure if just until the following week after the semi finals or if it will be pushed back longer.

The hurling will remain on the dates so?

mountgomery burns

thesultan wrote: »

The hurling will remain on the dates so?

Yeah almost 100% sure that will be the case. Think they were pushed back one week last year as the first round clashed with the league final.

KevIRL

Great coverage of the game on tonights 'league Sunday'. A 15 second review by Ken McGrath, only plus was we didn't have to look at him in his suit while he was talking bout it

mountgomery burns

KevIRL wrote: »

Great coverage of the game on tonights 'league Sunday'. A 15 second review by Ken McGrath, only plus was we didn't have to look at him in his suit while he was talking bout it

To be honest, was there much to see? Practically all our scores from frees.

KevIRL

mountgomery burns wrote: »

To be honest, was there much to see? Practically all our scores from frees.

Haha, fair point and well made

Professey Chin

And it was just a terrible game in general. Wateford were sh!te, Wexford were sh!te, ref was sh!te. Pretty sh!te

PTH2009

Professey Chin wrote: »

And it was just a terrible game in general. Wateford were sh!te, Wexford were sh!te, ref was sh!te. Pretty sh!te

We can't be as bad again. What did the ref have against us ?

Semis will prob be double header in thurles on the 17th April. Our match 2pm and kil vs clare 4pm I'm guessing

mickmackmcgoo

Professey Chin wrote:

And it was just a terrible game in general. Wateford were sh!te, Wexford were sh!te, ref was sh!te. Pretty sh!te

Sums it up well. The game passed a lot of players by. Lethargic looking and you can only hope for improvement come the championship. Interesting to see if they will step up the performance against limerick

tomwaterford

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Sums it up well. The game passed a lot of players by. Lethargic looking and you can only hope for improvement come the championship. Interesting to see if they will step up the performance against limerick

+1
They seemed to not be up for it/expected Wexford to roll over

Maurice shanhan was a powerhouse of a display...,

If they don't improve massively Limerick will beat them somewhat easily...

Professey Chin

PTH2009 wrote: »

We can't be as bad again. What did the ref have against us ?

Nothing. Ryans just an absolutely shocking referee. I don't think he's ever had a game without bananas decisions being made. Useless is a compliment to him

Deisegodeo

I suppose its just as well that RTE decided to send cameras to div 2 football matches rather than hurling quarter finals. Really was a terrible game today, Waterford were very poor and just about did enough to get over the line at the finish.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that management arent too pushed about winning the league again this year. The fist 3 games, especially against Kilkenny and Tipp, they showed far more hunger and focus. Just seems that after winning the first 3 games and confirming Division 1 status was the aim being achieved. There was a noticeable drop in performance for the Dublin game, against Galway we had an experimental side out and then today another very below par performance. I'd say management wouldn't be too upset if we were beaten the next day and move on to the Clare in championship.

robopaddy2

No point talking about club fixtures being moved. We will NOT beat limerick if we play like that. Thats for certain. People here talking about semi final venues before the game today and Wexford nearly done us. Im increasingly worried about this system we are using. For it to be effective the players have to be fully on board with it and i get the sense that the hunger isnt quite what it was last year. Its early days but last year there was a freshness and enthusiasm about us and a sense that the system was taking us into unchartered waters. But as PTH says the perception is growing that the system that can only take you so far and once the players start to beleive yhat too then they could lose the stomach for it very easily. A win is a win but another lethatgic performance. How we react against Limerick will tell us a lot

Giveitfong

This was a very lethargic and error-ridden performance by Waterford. Maybe they had another one of their heavy training sessions during the week. There may also have been a bit of taking Wexford for granted. In Waterford’s first attack, Colin Dunford had an easy tap-over point from in front of the goal but decided to take on the full back line looking for a goal and got hooked. There was a bit of arrogance in this, plus another example of Dunford’s poor decision making.

That set the scene for a Waterford display full of sloppy ball control, bad passes, waiting for the ball to come to them, aimless balls sent to unmarked Wexford players. Wexford were more alert, were working much harder, were winning the rucks (usually a key area of Waterford dominance) and showing much better ball control. There were 0-7 to 0-1 up after 15 minutes and 0-8 to 0-2 after 20. Waterford started Austin Gleeson at full forward but no ball came in as Wexford were on top outfield.

Waterford did steady the ship and got the score back to 0-8 all before Wexford took the lead again just before half time. Waterford were a bit unlucky not to score a goal when the Wexford goalie dropped the ball but it ended up going out for a 65. Wexford sent a lot of high ball into Conor McDonald at full forward but he had a stinker of a game and was well marshalled by Barry Coughlan. Wexford never threatened the Waterford goal with Tadhg de Búrca covering very well, although he was as guilty as anyone else of dropping balls and giving poor passes and clearances.

Waterford equalised two or three times after the restart but Wexford kept coming back to go ahead, and got some really good scores. However, once Waterford got their nose in front they stretched their lead out to four points, mainly because of some really terrible wides by Wexford. Then coming up to the end, Wexford got a goal out of nothing when McDonald managed to get his hand to a long free in to finish to the net. From the puckout Wexford engineered a lovely equalising point, and at that stage I was hoping we would get into extra time.

Then Waterford got a free on the right sideline about 35 metres out. It was an awkward enough angle, but Maurice once again split the posts. He had one more chance from a long range free which was signalled wide although it looked good to me. However, he was our saviour on the day with 12 points in all – nine frees, one 65 and two from play (one a real beauty). He missed his first free from distance and also the last one. Wexford missed at least five handy frees.

It didn’t help Waterford’s cause that Austin Gleeson hit four sidelines badly wide and also missed two long-distance frees, although he did hit two beauties from play. Philip Mahony, Brick Walsh and Patrick Curran were our other scorers. I thought Philip Mahony was our most consistent player throughout, while the full back line generally coped well and Kevin Moran also worked hard. Tom Devine replaced Patrick Curran midway through the second half and made an impact. Brian O’Halloran and Mikey Kearney came on up front for Jake Dillon and Shane Bennett while Shane McNulty got a few minutes near the end in place of Noel Connors.

mountgomery burns

What is arrogant about going for a goal? We can't complain about not scoring enough goals and then criticize a fella for trying to get one. If he feels he can beat his man take him on, he did get two goals v Wexford two years ago.

HatchetMan7

If you look at all our league games so far it certainly seems that the aim was to stay in division 1a and once that was achieved build towards the first round of the championship after that. Any time you see this teams intensity drop considerably compared to the early rounds of the league to me that makes me think they're doing some heavy intense training leading up the said below par performances (at least that's what i hope). The limerick game will tell us more but i think its the first round of the championship against Clare that we'll get a true reflection of where this team is heading.
As was mentioned already the lack of goals is a real concern but they must be working on this in training because every man and his dog knows you'll win nothing in championship without hitting the net at least once or twice per game. I'm hoping that McGrath and the management team are keeping their cards close to their chest till the championship and we'll see something different against Clare.

carter10

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

If you look at all our league games so far it certainly seems that the aim was to stay in division 1a and once that was achieved build towards the first round of the championship after that. Any time you see this teams intensity drop considerably compared to the early rounds of the league to me that makes me think they're doing some heavy intense training leading up the said below par performances (at least that's what i hope). The limerick game will tell us more but i think its the first round of the championship against Clare that we'll get a true reflection of where this team is heading.
As was mentioned already the lack of goals is a real concern but they must be working on this in training because every man and his dog knows you'll win nothing in championship without hitting the net at least once or twice per game. I'm hoping that McGrath and the management team are keeping their cards close to their chest till the championship and we'll see something different against Clare.

We won't see anything different against Clare

dobbs2210

mountgomery burns wrote: »

What is arrogant about going for a goal? We can't complain about not scoring enough goals and then criticize a fella for trying to get one. If he feels he can beat his man take him on, he did get two goals v Wexford two years ago.

Here...here. crazy statement. Chap took on full back and went for jugular...people always pontificate about kilkenny's ruthless abilty to go for the jugular when other teams take the easy tap over. Fair play to Colin for showing the courage and drive to back himself and go for it.

HatchetMan7

carter10 wrote: »

We won't see anything different against Clare

Will we see wholesale changes to the teams tactics against Clare absolutely not and we should hope we don't. Does anyone like the idea of playing a sweeper and the answer is no but it was a necessary evil to stop shipping a high number of goals so that a young team can build confidence. To build a team that can win an All Ireland takes time and some of it is trial and error. Some people think McGrath is slow to get rid of the more defensive style of play but he would be crazy to just ditch that system within a one or two year period. It has to be a slower process then that to keep confidence high and maintain consistency in performance.

There has been improvements in some areas compared to last year such as high fielding. So i don't believe this team has stopped improving its just at a slower rate than people would have liked but its unrealistic to think we can go from a soft touch to winning an All Ireland within three years. This team isn't going to peak for another 2-3 years at the very least. To build a team capable of winning an All Ireland takes time and a great amount of effort, unfortunately to destroy all that work takes very little time so a softly softly approach is not just needed but is essential for a more sustained period of success.

robopaddy2

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Will we see wholesale changes to the teams tactics against Clare absolutely not and we should hope we don't. Does anyone like the idea of playing a sweeper and the answer is no but it was a necessary evil to stop shipping a high number of goals so that a young team can build confidence. To build a team that can win an All Ireland takes time and some of it is trial and error. Some people think McGrath is slow to get rid of the more defensive style of play but he would be crazy to just ditch that system within a one or two year period. It has to be a slower process then that to keep confidence high and maintain consistency in performance.

There has been improvements in some areas compared to last year such as high fielding. So i don't believe this team has stopped improving its just at a slower rate than people would have liked but its unrealistic to think we can go from a soft touch to winning an All Ireland within three years. This team isn't going to peak for another 2-3 years at the very least. To build a team capable of winning an All Ireland takes time and a great amount of effort, unfortunately to destroy all that work takes very little time so a softly softly approach is not just needed but is essential for a more sustained period of success.

Not the more popular point of view but one I do agree (or want to agree) wholeheartedly with. The challenge for management in my opinion is to keep the players on board with the ideology. That will be very difficult when the guys can't express themselves as much as they would like out on the pitch. One guy on his own in a full forward line chasing dead end balls or some our most lethal young scorers being employed 40 or 50 yards out from goal working themselves into the ground for little or no exchange on the scoreboard. How long before the players get tired and stop believing in it? How do you keep them motivated? They key is to keep winning matches of course, that is ultimately what it is all about. But there is a thin line separating success and failure. An early championship exit this summer could easily happen given the strength of the hurling championship, where would that leave in terms of our progression / development. Back at square one?

Horseboxhead

Darragh fives ?, anyone?, What's the story, being rested now along time?, if fit, would have expected him to play, seems strange, unless he's injured, and i think we need him , for alot of reasons, yesterday's game, as Barca manager said about el clasico , that game no longer exists, and christ lads we won, how many times have we lost those games, and playing badly, our style is becoming very rigid in its unwillingness to progress, but we won, so ????.
I wonder does our current style, suit the league, once you have the work put in, fitness wise, hard to beat , hard to break down, super fit, if matched with intensity very hard to play against in feb/march, when we thought we were flying, played Kilkenny [Just back nothing done], Cork[beat Galway,HTF?, Anthony Cunningham Pissing himself], and Tipp, Drew with Galway bet wexford, so Looks fine, but if you go on Performences, we are not moving on from a side hard to beat, fit, Organised Defensively, and works hard, get's you so far, and it has , but results at this time of the year can be very deciptive, and after along time, still talking about Potential, and how guys will progress, Time is now People, C'mon Derek, time for Act 2, time to put teams to bed, or is there and act 2?, is this it, never get hammered again, but never win Big Games, V an inform Tipp or Kilkenny side, ........... Truth will come in August/Sep , but am getting sick of being told How many of our Players are 19/20/21, its the Profile of most intercounty teams now, so what's the big Plan?, Anyone???.
We Won, have Lost them games before, so onwards, Should beat Limerick, even at this pace, as they are unfit,dis organised , and TJ... one game away from being shafted[always the way with Limerick Manager though], and if we beat Limerick the way we beat wexford, every body will be saying Semi's there to be won ,yippee ,,,, but Performence matters, and come June/july/ August will matter a whole pile more.

Psychedelic

Very disappointing performance yesterday, actually feels like a loss to me. By the sounds of it we got played off the park for much of the game and deserved to lose. I'm losing faith in this system now and have little hope of us winning the Munster or All Ireland. I was hoping the system would be developed, but it looks like a rinse & repeat of last year which won't be enough for us to win the All Ireland or even Munster.

Obviously it's great to stay up in 1A which was the primary objective, but another objective should have been to experiment to find ways of scoring goals. We're barely even able to create goal-scoring chances, it's all 50/50 pot-shots from distance.

Motivator

Psychedelic wrote: »

Very disappointing performance yesterday, actually feels like a loss to me. By the sounds of it we got played off the park for much of the game and deserved to lose

Some comment to make and you not even at the game boy.

KevIRL

Double header in thurles Sunday week confirmed for the league semi finals. Waterford-Limerick game on first at 2pm