Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

MUFC91CS

Would you need to buy a ticket in advance or will you be able to pay at the gate?

blueflame

Based on previous league finals woud say you will have no problem buy a ticket at teh stiles but you can save yourself a fiver by buying over 24 hours in advance at Centra or Supervalu.

MUFC91CS

blueflame wrote: »

Based on previous league finals woud say you will have no problem buy a ticket at teh stiles but you can save yourself a fiver by buying over 24 hours in advance at Centra or Supervalu.

Cheers Man

thesultan

archieknox wrote: »

Mayweather/pacman-draw and Waterford/Cork draw worth a punt?

no

Deise_2012

archieknox wrote: »

Mayweather/pacman-draw and Waterford/Cork draw worth a punt?

Mayweather win on points, Waterford win also. You'll be the richest man in Creation Sunday night !

dzilla

Howdy folks, I am going to be buying tickets in the Supervalue but will be buying up in Cork.

Are there 2 terraces open? Can you sit anywhere you wish on the day?

Cos I don't want to buy a ticket and have to sit with a load of langers.

Mountainlad

dzilla wrote: »

Howdy folks, I am going to be buying tickets in the Supervalue but will be buying up in Cork.

Are there 2 terraces open? Can you sit anywhere you wish on the day?

Cos I don't want to buy a ticket and have to sit with a load of langers.

It's general admission, they're only selling stand tickets on tickets.ie so it'll be the same in super valu. I'd imagine at least one of the terraces will be closed.

Giveitfong

Waterford play Laois in the final of Division 2 of the National Camogie League in Carlow on Saturday next at 2.30 pm. It's hardly a neutral venue as Carlow is located on the Laois border and a large part of the town is actually in Laois. I'm not sure if the winners get automatic promotion to Division 1.

On Saturday week (May 9) the Waterford ladies footballers play Sligo in the final of Division 3 of the league in Parnell Park at 12.15. It is the first part of a triple bill along with the finals of Division 1 and 2. Waterford had a big win (4-14 to 0-9) over Roscommon in the semi-final last weekend.

Great to have three adult teams from the county playing in national league finals over the next two weekends. We wish them all the best!

archieknox

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Mayweather win on points, Waterford win also. You'll be the richest man in Creation Sunday night !

Haha well if Waterford win Il hardly make it that far!!

PTH2009

Woo off work now sunday. Roll on the match

pluszap

What stand is the cup presented? Thanks

tomwaterford

pluszap wrote: »

What stand is the cup presented? Thanks

Old stand (ui riran)
Sure that's where Waterford will be collecting it Sunday evening

pluszap

Thanks looking forward to it::pac:

Mountainlad

tomwaterford wrote: »

Old stand (ui riran)
Sure that's where Waterford will be collecting it Sunday evening

That's the new stand

tomwaterford

Mountainlad wrote: »

That's the new stand

You are correct come to think on it



Though only in Ireland could you call it the new old stand and have people understand what your saying :pac:

stumblingblock

tomwaterford wrote: »

You are correct come to think on it



Though only in Ireland could you call it the new old stand and have people understand what your saying :pac:

The new stand used to be the old stand. And the new old stand used to be the new stand up until a few years ago. Bloody hell

blue note

I've given up trying to remember which stand is which. Been there countless times, but will never ever remember which stand is which.

stumblingblock

Speaking of Thurles, what is the story with the venue next week for the minor game being in Thurles. Why is it neutral? Is there not a home and away arrangement between Waterford and Limerick? We had to play them in Munster final Limerick in 2013. Given the 3 games since were Munster final/replays at neutral venues, but surely this one should have been home advantage for us.

HatchetMan7

stumblingblock wrote: »

Speaking of Thurles, what is the story with the venue next week for the minor game being in Thurles. Why is it neutral? Is there not a home and away arrangement between Waterford and Limerick? We had to play them in Munster final Limerick in 2013. Given the 3 games since were Munster final/replays at neutral venues, but surely this one should have been home advantage for us.

As far as i know the minor game was fixed for Limerick originally because Limerick were not counting the Munster final as a home fixture!?! but Waterford kicked up and said that was ridiculous (paraphrasing) and wanted the game in Walsh park. As neither could agree its on in Thurlas. No doubt it should be in Waterford but the same argument is going to crop up the next time we meet. You'd have to laugh at the stupidity of it all except we're getting screwed.

stumblingblock

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

As far as i know the minor game was fixed for Limerick originally because Limerick were not counting the Munster final as a home fixture!?! but Waterford kicked up and said that was ridiculous (paraphrasing) and wanted the game in Walsh park. As neither could agree its on in Thurlas. No doubt it should be in Waterford but the same argument is going to crop up the next time we meet. You'd have to laugh at the stupidity of it all except we're getting screwed.

Common sense seriously lacking. Why couldnt the Munster council just have called that 2013 final a home draw for Limerick? Not like they were at a disadvantage with 30,000 fans there to cheer them on as opposed to a couple hundred from Waterford. To add insult to injury Limerick got the replay at a neutral venue aswell. As a result they have a right mess made of this fixture agreement. Waterford co. board were 100% right not to agree to play this game in Limerick

HatchetMan7

"Barry-Murphy claims not to have seen Waterford’s defensive system in action, but acknowledges the most effective manner to learn of its idiosyncrasies ahead of June 7 is to face it head on" - Quote from The Examiner.

I have alot of time for JBM and i would say that we have a better chance of beating Cork this Sunday than on June 7th when he'll have learn't alot from the league final. Not to say that we can't win both especially if we win on Sunday, which would be a huge confidence boost especially to the younger players.
Alot of people from outside Waterford and maybe some inside, believe we are hyping up this team to something their not........guess we'll find out Sunday.

Deise_2012

I'd love to see Mcgrath go with 3 in the full forward line. Look how Dublin played it, they absolutely annihilated Cork in the first 40 mins, if they had a decent free taker...(which we have) they could have been Home and clear.If we need to play the sweeper for the last 20 mins, so be it. I just think we could do so much damage to that Cork full back line with Shanahan Bennett and Dunford. Would he be cute enough?

Mountainlad

Barry Murphy claims not to have seen Waterfords system in action? So they all went home there last Sunday? Be fairly shocking if he hasn't like.

On the minor game, it was a stupid middle ground to reach because there is going to be a row next year over who gets home advantage. It would be far worse for us to have a neutral game this year and be away next year. By the same token, Limerick will be unhappy if they have to go two years without home advantage. Nobody wins with a neutral venue.

PTH2009

I think cork might hold back just a little bit Sunday or else jbm is playing games. June 7th is way more important to them than league final is but they have not won one since 1998 and since then they have won all Ireland's and munsters.

On the other hand they mite have caught on to our system and will destroy us . Hopefully the nerves won't get to our lads sunday. I just wish we were playing Dublin

Deise_2012

PTH2009 wrote: »

I think cork might hold back just a little bit Sunday or else jbm is playing games. June 7th is way more important to them than league final is but they have not won one since 1998 and since then they have won all Ireland's and munsters.

On the other hand they mite have caught on to our system and will destroy us . Hopefully the nerves won't get to our lads sunday. I just wish we were playing Dublin

So they might hold back and let us win, or come out and destroy us.
Maybe if we ask nicely, they'll leave us win.. ?
Come off it, it will be a great match and both teams will be going for it. If we play good ball into forwards we will do well, and be aware of the way Cork played in 2nd half v Dublin. Half back line will be crucial v Lehane and Harnedy, big test for them

blueflame

Anyone who is in doubt what this means to the Cork management and players should look back at their reaction to the final whistle against Dublin. JBM is well aware of the Waterford system, he very nearly got caught last year in the first game and he will have learned his lesson, but he is not going to say "we're prepared for it"

Cork will be all out to win, as will Waterford. There is no substitute for winning, the side beaten on Sunday will carry doubts into the next game

redlead

PTH2009 wrote: »

I think cork might hold back just a little bit Sunday or else jbm is playing games. June 7th is way more important to them than league final is but they have not won one since 1998 and since then they have won all Ireland's and munsters.

On the other hand they mite have caught on to our system and will destroy us . Hopefully the nerves won't get to our lads sunday. I just wish we were playing Dublin

Cork haven't won anything since the Munster final in 06 and haven't won a league since 98. Essentially, the current team has won nothing. I can guarantee you they'll be going all out to win it. It's a nice excuse to say "its only the league" if you lose. At least McGrath has come out and said that we are going all out for it and JBM should admit the same. The notion that it's all about the championnship doesn't wash with the current Cork set up in my opinion. The type of fear other teams used to have going into a Cork game is long gone now. They are a very good team that deserves to be respected but are nothing more or nothing less.

Edit: Munster last year to be fair (had Limerick for the double in my head for some reason). Still not a dominant force like a Cork of old though.

dcrosskid

redlead wrote: »

Cork haven't won anything since the Munster final in 06 and haven't won a league since 98. Essentially, the current team has won nothing. I can guarantee you they'll be going all out to win it. It's a nice excuse to say "its only the league" if you lose. At least McGrath has come out and said that we are going all out for it and JBM should admit the same. The notion that it's all about the championnship doesn't wash with the current Cork set up in my opinion. The type of fear other teams used to have going into a Cork game is long gone now. They are a very good team that deserves to be respected but are nothing more or nothing less.

Havn't won anything except for the Munster final in 2014......

Figsy32

redlead wrote: »

Cork haven't won anything since the Munster final in 06 and haven't won a league since 98. Essentially, the current team has won nothing. I can guarantee you they'll be going all out to win it. It's a nice excuse to say "its only the league" if you lose. At least McGrath has come out and said that we are going all out for it and JBM should admit the same. The notion that it's all about the championnship doesn't wash with the current Cork set up in my opinion. The type of fear other teams used to have going into a Cork game is long gone now. They are a very good team that deserves to be respected but are nothing more or nothing less.

We did win Munster last year, to be fair. But the rest of the post is very fair I would say. With injuries and the likes we have guys playing for spots in the summer so I can't see us holding too much back.

redlead

dcrosskid wrote: »

Havn't won anything except for the Munster final in 2014......

touché

thinkstoomuch1

redlead wrote: »

touché

I don't think he was to be fair, you stated something as a fact which was cork won munster no munster since 06, so all he done was make it known your point was wrong which he was right to do imo as cork won munster last year we all know.

HatchetMan7

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I don't think he was to be fair, you stated something as a fact which was cork won munster no munster since 06, so all he done was make it known your point was wrong which he was right to do imo as cork won munster last year we all know.

I think your getting touché mixed up with touchy

commonsense.

blueflame wrote:

Anyone who is in doubt what this means to the Cork management and players should look back at their reaction to the final whistle against Dublin.

No doubt Cork will want to win on Sunday. But while I think Cork and JBMs reaction to beating Dublin had a lot to do with the exciting manner of the win it was more to do with JBM putting one over on his old teammate, club colleague and dare I say friend, Ger Blue.

TGV

If cork loose it will be because their focus is on the championship, if they win cork will be hyped up to win the all-Ireland this year. If Waterford win they peaked too early and if the lose it was just a step too far for this promising young team.... Just predicting the headlines on Monday morning.... Hoping for a win but at the very least a super game to match the ones before them. Two wins over Cork in a few weeks will be difficult ...but why not

tomwaterford

I give Waterford a fair chance to win this...I think there every bit as good (if not better) man for as cork

Ive seen no one give Waterford enough credit for turning over tipp

crottys lake

I will be outlining on my blog tomorrow as to why I think Waterford will win .

KevIRL

Cahalane dropped for Cork, Aidan Ryan in

thinkstoomuch1

TGV wrote: »

If cork loose it will be because their focus is on the championship, if they win cork will be hyped up to win the all-Ireland this year. If Waterford win they peaked too early and if the lose it was just a step too far for this promising young team.... Just predicting the headlines on Monday morning.... Hoping for a win but at the very least a super game to match the ones before them. Two wins over Cork in a few weeks will be difficult ...but why not

No other may your right media but geuine cork fans won't like some counties run before they walk


Were far from serious contenders KK yet

Fact is cork by team picked are set up particular system and said this earlier before team announced I feeling what I heard cork will want win but won't go all our and look team selection and Nash huge doubt I geuinely think Waterford may win as cork wanted win v Dublin bit nevertheless knew waterford next so changed the scene a bit


Cork main interested as seen is sort full back why Ryan starts and Paudie doesn't at full forward as cork are holding back a bit

As league huge win it's more important win munster and get all Ireland quatre final and cork have bigger teams worry bout down line

Huge chance for Waterford best chance win national title and ye I think we'll but munster different kettle of fish entirely

Ye will at best beat cork once no way ye beat cork twice
Enjoy Sunday I think ye will win

thinkstoomuch1

crottys lake wrote: »

I will be outlining on my blog tomorrow as to why I think Waterford will win .

I have read it very good and you do absolutely brilliance match reports I must add

Keep it up
I think ye will win Sunday and that's not yerra talk but geuine

stumblingblock

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

No other may your right media but geuine cork fans won't like some counties run before they walk


Were far from serious contenders KK yet

Fact is cork by team picked are set up particular system and said this earlier before team announced I feeling what I heard cork will want win but won't go all our and look team selection and Nash huge doubt I geuinely think Waterford may win as cork wanted win v Dublin bit nevertheless knew waterford next so changed the scene a bit


Cork main interested as seen is sort full back why Ryan starts and Paudie doesn't at full forward as cork are holding back a bit

As league huge win it's more important win munster and get all Ireland quatre final and cork have bigger teams worry bout down line

Huge chance for Waterford best chance win national title and ye I think we'll but munster different kettle of fish entirely

Ye will at best beat cork once no way ye beat cork twice
Enjoy Sunday I think ye will win

Well Id just like to say in advance thanks for agreeing to show up on Sunday. It must be such an inconvenience to have to show up and play this Mickey Mouse final thats only there to give the bridesmaids such as ourselves a day in the sun to feel good about ourselves. And thanks to JBM for not going 'all out', and for experimenting at full back, and especially for not starting the great Paudie O'Sullivan. God this is a once in a lifetime chance for us. Thank god for the 'bigger teams' who will appear later in the summer, if ye didn't have those to concentrate on wed be lambs to the slaughter on Sunday.

You just make sure you keep getting your excuses in early in case it goes pear-shaped for ye on Sunday....

thinkstoomuch1

stumblingblock wrote: »

Well Id just like to say in advance thanks for agreeing to show up on Sunday. It must be such an inconvenience to have to show up and play this Mickey Mouse final thats only there to give the bridesmaids such as ourselves a day in the sun to feel good about ourselves. And thanks to JBM for not going 'all out', and for experimenting at full back, and especially for not starting the great Paudie O'Sullivan. God this is a once in a lifetime chance for us. Thank god for the 'bigger teams' who will appear later in the summer, if ye didn't have those to concentrate on wed be lambs to the slaughter on Sunday.

Sure its a win-win for yourself. Lose on Sunday well youve already told us why, and win yeve manage to topple us even while trying to show us some mercy.

Look im calling it as it is as I see it

Feel free to have a different opinions
That is now way cork strongest team and you are not partial to what goes on cork hurling
Cork want win but what I heard and it's make sense cork main eye in June that simple
No need to take offence as not disrespectful waterford in if cork playing any other team twice in month course be shadow boxing
Don't be naive to think cork are not holding back
Team picked said it all and if true I expect another change from line up on throw in for the cork team
Nash is named but is huge doubt for Sunday as it's not yerra talk geuinely been sick all week
So starting new full back and goalie you would have say waterford win even two man full forward line


Excuses no excuse at all but look cork main aim is munster championship and were year four plan so winning league title loose munster no good cork hurling
You are right good chance for Waterford and should be good game

TyrionPower

crottys lake wrote: »

I will be outlining on my blog tomorrow as to why I think Waterford will win .

Link please, cheers!

stumblingblock

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look im calling it as it is as I see it

Feel free to have a different opinions
That is now way cork strongest team and you are not partial to what goes on cork hurling
Cork want win but what I heard and it's make sense cork main eye in June that simple
No need to take offence as not disrespectful waterford in if cork playing any other team twice in month course be shadow boxing
Don't be naive to think cork are not holding back
Team picked said it all and if true I expect another change from line up on throw in for the cork team
Nash is named but is huge doubt for Sunday as it's not yerra talk geuinely been sick all week
So starting new full back and goalie you would have say waterford win even two man full forward line


Excuses no excuse at all but look cork main aim is munster championship and were year four plan so winning league title loose munster no good cork hurling
You are right good chance for Waterford and should be good game

And you think Waterford are not thinking about the championship at all? I have never seen a JBM side ‘hold back’ in any match and it wont happen Sunday either regardless of your ridiculous claims. Call it shadow boxing call it whatever you want silverware is there to be won, 5 weeks time will look after itself. This game will be well forgotten by then. Of course neither side will be at full championship pelt but it will be as close to championship form you will get. Look at the intensity of the last 2 KK V Tipp league finals. If you are showing up badly in a league final then it is a cause for big concern. Whatever you say about Cork being experimental and not at full strength and I do not claim to be ‘partial’ to what goes on in Cork hurling but I do know the reason the full back switch was made is because the lad who was there was getting a roasting plain and simple. You do not need to be too ‘in the know’ to figure that out

HatchetMan7

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look im calling it as it is as I see it

Feel free to have a different opinions
That is now way cork strongest team and you are not partial to what goes on cork hurling
Cork want win but what I heard and it's make sense cork main eye in June that simple
No need to take offence as not disrespectful waterford in if cork playing any other team twice in month course be shadow boxing
Don't be naive to think cork are not holding back
Team picked said it all and if true I expect another change from line up on throw in for the cork team
Nash is named but is huge doubt for Sunday as it's not yerra talk geuinely been sick all week
So starting new full back and goalie you would have say waterford win even two man full forward line


Excuses no excuse at all but look cork main aim is munster championship and were year four plan so winning league title loose munster no good cork hurling
You are right good chance for Waterford and should be good game

Ya i'm not buying it. You said and i quote, "now way cork strongest team" and "Team picked said it all". Can you enlighten us and tell us the sweeping changes you would make if this was championship. You obviously know Cork hurling better than me but i can only think of Paudi O Sullivan and maybe Luke O Farrell that might strenghten the Cork team to any degree.
The two main additions are Bill Cooper and Aidan Ryan. I think JBM had no choice but to drop Cahalane in fact he should have done it earlier in the league. I'd prefer if he stuck with Cahalane as his confidence must be shot at this stage. As regards Bill Cooper, he had a fine game last year against Waterford and i think his strength on the ball could win him alot of frees.
As i see it Cork have named their regular keeper, 5 of your first choice backs, two first choice midfielders and 5 of your best forwards. Yet you claim this is "no way corks strongest team".

My other point is that you seem to think that Cork are unable to win both the league final and the championship match ("winning league title loose munster no good cork hurling"). Are Cork not good enough to beat a division 2 team twice? If i was JBM the last thing i would do is hand the initiative and confidence to a young team like Waterford. Would Cody do it, i don't think so. He may not show his full hand but that's alot different than putting out a weakened team. At the end of the day and i know this may be hard for you to imagine, but say Waterford win both games then what will Cork people think of the "shadow boxing" that is apparently going on this Sunday. Winning league titles had no adverse effect on Kilkenny. Talk of shadow boxing and not playing your best team is a cop out IMO.

stumblingblock

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Ya i'm not buying it. You said and i quote, "now way cork strongest team" and "Team picked said it all". Can you enlighten us and tell us the sweeping changes you would make if this was championship. You obviously know Cork hurling better than me but i can only think of Paudi O Sullivan and maybe Luke O Farrell that might strenghten the Cork team to any degree.
The two main additions are Bill Cooper and Aidan Ryan. I think JBM had no choice but to drop Cahalane in fact he should have done it earlier in the league. I'd prefer if he stuck with Cahalane as his confidence must be shot at this stage. As regards Bill Cooper, he had a fine game last year against Waterford and i think his strength on the ball could win him alot of frees.
As i see it Cork have named their regular keeper, 5 of your first choice backs, two first choice midfielders and 5 of your best forwards. Yet you claim this is "no way corks strongest team".

My other point is that you seem to think that Cork are unable to win both the league final and the championship match ("winning league title loose munster no good cork hurling"). Are Cork not good enough to beat a division 2 team twice? If i was JBM the last thing i would do is hand the initiative and confidence to a young team like Waterford. Would Cody do it, i don't think so. He may not show his full hand but that's alot different than putting out a weakened team. At the end of the day and i know this may be hard for you to imagine, but say Waterford win both games then what will Cork people think of the "shadow boxing" that is apparently going on this Sunday. Winning league titles had no adverse effect on Kilkenny. Talk of shadow boxing and not playing your best team is a cop out IMO.

Look its time we stopped playing into TTM hands. This guy comes on here for one reason and one reason only, to discuss Cork. This is a WATERFORD thread. Im sickin of coming on here reading about Cork. It always starts off the same, a few slightly belittle comments about Waterford, knowing he will get a reaction about Cork and off we go again. I’m guessing over on the Cork thread no one will argue with his points so theres no fun for him there.

I for one don’t care about Cork I don’t care what players are/not playing or whether they are ‘holding back’ or not. Let them say and think what they want. Hope we can do the business on Sunday and if Cork claim to be going full or half tilt well good luck to them. Not our issue

archieknox

It's getting nearer the time and as it does i am getting alot more confident having seen the Cork team. Alot could depend on the performance of Maurice and i believe he's back to his brilliant best and can be the match winner on Sunday. Having seen him up close you can see he has worked hard on his physical condition and he seems to have filled into the same type frame as Dan.

thinkstoomuch1

stumblingblock wrote: »

And you think Waterford are not thinking about the championship at all? I have never seen a JBM side ‘hold back’ in any match and it wont happen Sunday either regardless of your ridiculous claims. Call it shadow boxing call it whatever you want silverware is there to be won, 5 weeks time will look after itself. This game will be well forgotten by then. Of course neither side will be at full championship pelt but it will be as close to championship form you will get. Look at the intensity of the last 2 KK V Tipp league finals. If you are showing up badly in a league final then it is a cause for big concern. Whatever you say about Cork being experimental and not at full strength and I do not claim to be ‘partial’ to what goes on in Cork hurling but I do know the reason the full back switch was made is because the lad who was there was getting a roasting plain and simple. You do not need to be too ‘in the know’ to figure that out

Just at look at the cork team

I predicted yesterday afternoon cork wouldn't be strongest
I know it offends you that I'm right as you know I know cork hurling inside our and upside down
Geuinely not the case
Your forgetting this ist time cork under jbm playing team twice in month
Cork want win but are not showing full hand performance will do with full back sorted as cork under landers doing specific power training for June and while of tipp were final cork would want win cork can't show full hand


Munster will reveal all
But look you're entitled to your opinion I respect it but I disagree

Cahalane I'd actually struggling with injury and Ryan is seen as answer for June needs game
Point is if cork wanted to win Sunday totally wouldn't take chance him debut full but played Ellis or cahalane even in despite struggled injury cahalane would still limit waterford full forward line
Cork had choice win and win with flaws full back or try solve full get performance
Enjoy Sunday ye will I have no doubt and I'll be the ist to congratulate you Sunday here
Ryan getting game time as even cahalane fit June cork need cover and have no cover for Sunday


Look at offaly Longford last week
Longford won early league game and knew beat offaly again final last week awful place play offaly who huge hunger will not loose three times

Longford even Longford knew no point showing full hand and no hunger or intensity but there hammered means they now look forward championship game next month between same teams

Cork have same attuide they will say let waterford show was they got think mcgrath all out win so cork will use this as a transition game in a sense

Professey Chin

archieknox wrote: »

It's getting nearer the time and as it does i am getting alot more confident having seen the Cork team. Alot could depend on the performance of Maurice and i believe he's back to his brilliant best and can be the match winner on Sunday. Having seen him up close you can see he has worked hard on his physical condition and he seems to have filled into the same type frame as Dan.

Now they just have to keep him out on the wing and not leave him in full forward for half the game

Mountainlad

If Cahalane not starting is Cork holding back for June than I am confident we will win both games.

Paudie O Sullivan should be starting but Barry Murphy hasn't started him yet since he came back. Luke O Farrell is windy, a good hurler but not reliable. He did nothing to keep his place last weekend. Outside of that Cork, are starting Ellis and Murphy who would be regarded in Cork as an improvement on what they had in the semi final (namely William Kearney and Aidan Walsh playing center back where he was really uncomfortable).

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

If Cahalane not starting is Cork holding back for June than I am confident we will win both games.

Paudie O Sullivan should be starting but Barry Murphy hasn't started him yet since he came back. Luke O Farrell is windy, a good hurler but not reliable. He did nothing to keep his place last weekend. Outside of that Cork, are starting Ellis and Murphy who would be regarded in Cork as an improvement on what they had in the semi final (namely William Kearney and Aidan Walsh playing center back where he was really uncomfortable).

Farell is not starting at all what are you on about?

Cooper o shea harnedy
Cadogan lehane horgan

Luke not starting at all

Both Murphy and Ellis I agree but huge doubts regards fitness and only playing as need game time last game before June imo