Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

HatchetMan7

Looking at some of the posts here you'd swear Waterford lost the game in Nowlan Park. I couldn't even imagine how bad some of the criticism would be if we had lost. Plenty of times over the last 20+ years we've went down to Nolan Park to play "nice fancy hurling" in heavy conditions and left with our tail between our legs. 

The only criticism id have for the management is that they should have reacted quicker when the players started trying to protect the lead late in the 2nd half. I think the players have got into a bad habit of retreating back the field towards our own goal when we are ahead late on and it cost us dearly last year. Its definitely something the management team need to keep an eye on during the league.

HillFarmer

culbaire wrote: »

Derek knows it all. It seems he is now working on a seven year plan judging by his comments in relation to Tipperary. I suggest that you attend a few matches at Senior and Intermediate level this year. You seem to have a closed mind! There are some fine hurlers who are being ignored. They are not Vauxhall Conference either. But then again it seems you have a closed mind.

Hopefully, the longer Mcgrath stays in the better.

We're making considerable progress

cornerboy

The most heartening thing for me last week was that we went to Nowlan Park and stood up to KK physically and psychologically and came out with the win. We were not intimidated by them......we had the right level of aggression too, we didn't overdo it, so credit to all.

deiseach

cornerboy wrote: »

The most heartening thing for me last week was that we went to Nowlan Park and stood up to KK physically and psychologically and came out with the win. We were not intimidated by them......we had the right level of aggression too, we didn't overdo it, so credit to all.

Just had a conversation with a Kilkenny woman who was outraged at the thuggery of the Waterford team. Tipperary will show us what's what in 'Semple' on Sunday. The Big Three - they don't like it up 'em, eh?

danganabu

deiseach wrote: »

Just had a conversation with a Kilkenny woman who was outraged at the thuggery of the Waterford team. Tipperary will show us what's what in 'Semple' on Sunday. The Big Three - they don't like it up 'em, eh?

Firstly the game is in Walsh Park, secondly there is no such thing as the big three, Cork would love if there was but they are along way from that level and thirdly grow up

It wasn't exactly what I would call thuggery but there is no doubting that Waterford upped the physicality massively and were sailing very close to the wind at times all three of De Burca, Connors and particularly Daniels could have seen red and certainly more referees than not would have produced a red. Waterford are huge contenders for the AI this year but they simply will not beat Tipp, KK or Galway with 14 men. Aggression and physicality is all well and good and is great to see, but it needs to be controlled.

debok

deiseach wrote: »

Just had a conversation with a Kilkenny woman who was outraged at the thuggery of the Waterford team. Tipperary will show us what's what in 'Semple' on Sunday. The Big Three - they don't like it up 'em, eh?

Hogan shoulder into connors chest was bit of thuggery as well.

Deise Gael

danganabu wrote: »

Firstly the game is in Walsh Park, secondly there is no such thing as the big three, Cork would love if there was but they are along way from that level and thirdly grow up

It wasn't exactly what I would call thuggery but there is no doubting that Waterford upped the physicality massively and were sailing very close to the wind at times all three of De Burca, Connors and particularly Daniels could have seen red and certainly more referees than not would have produced a red. Waterford are huge contenders for the AI this year but they simply will not beat Tipp, KK or Galway with 14 men. Aggression and physicality is all well and good and is great to see, but it needs to be controlled.

It could be argued that Paudie Mahony, De Burca and Daniels could have walked alright but what did Noelie Connors do to deserve a red?

I honestly can't remember.

danganabu

Deise Gael wrote: »

It could be argued that Paudie Mahony, De Burca and Daniels could have walked alright but what did Noelie Connors do to deserve a red?

I honestly can't remember.

Apologies meant Coughlan, Liam Blanchfield apparently has a broken jaw for his troubles following an off the ball belt.

Regarding Connors, he actually played it perfect, right in Hogan's face the entire game and if anything Hogan was lucky to stay on the field for reacting.

buck65

Deise Gael wrote: »

It could be argued that Paudie Mahony, De Burca and Daniels could have walked alright but what did Noelie Connors do to deserve a red?

I honestly can't remember.

Why is Connors overweight? Was he out injured/ sick or something?

Deise189

buck65 wrote: »

Why is Connors overweight? Was he out injured/ sick or something?

Overweight? The man is a walking pile of muscle. Nothing overweight about him in the slightest.

I do wonder if all the gym work works against him sometimes though when his lack of pace is exposed.

buck65

Ah come on he looked about 2 stone overweight. I honestly didn't recognise him at first glance. He looked like a prop forward.

debok

buck65 wrote: »

Ah come on he looked about 2 stone overweight. I honestly didn't recognise him at first glance. He looked like a prop forward.

Socks pulled up make him look massive. Huge pair of thighs on him. Kept hogan quiet enough though

Hslaw

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Good to see 13 clubs involved in the Senior hurling this weekend, no surprise what club had the most players involved, you'd swear they were the best club in the county. This is in stark contrast to the Kilkenny team at the weekend where not one of Coadys James Stephens club men were selected on the Kilkenny match day squad. Worth keeping an eye on this during the league.

Waterford
DLS: 4 Moran, Daniels, McNulty, Dillon
Ballygunner: 2 Coughlan, Mahony
Fourmilewater: 2 Barron Gleeson
Mount Sion: 2 Iggy Aussie
Passage: 1 Connors
Tourin: 1 Fives
Clashmore: 2 TDB BOH
Stradbally: 1 Brick
Ballyduff Upper: 1 Kearney
Dungarvan: 1 Curran
Roanmore: 1 O Brien
Modeligo: 1 Devine
Ballysaggert: 1 Bennett

There is always one.....

Who cares what club players are from. Once they are winning games and getting places they could all play junior for all I care

JesusRef

danganabu wrote: »

Apologies meant Coughlan, Liam Blanchfield apparently has a broken jaw for his troubles following an off the ball belt.

Regarding Connors, he actually played it perfect, right in Hogan's face the entire game and if anything Hogan was lucky to stay on the field for reacting.

Coughlan is always driving full forwards mad - was watching him closely on Sunday and he wasnt doing anything obvious but he was certainly getting a reaction from Blanchfield, to me it looked like he is just always annoyingly pulling dragging and holding - i didnt see the last incident but Blanchfield did look badly hurt

PTH2009

We could be beaten badly Sunday, We could win or we could put a brave performance but fall short who knows. ill take a draw. We are going for a third league win in a row over Tipp

People saying in round 3 we should beat Dublin handy but last year showed if we take the eye off the ball against them they will make us pay. It would be really nice too get a big win in Croke Park as its been a bad place for us for the last few years (bar winning the minor final in 2013)

Cork are improving and Clare are always troublesome in Ennis

Hope were not travelling to Ennis for a do or die match as that place has been as bad too us over the years as CP has

Beating Kilkenny last sunday was a fantastic result and 2 points on the board

mountgomery burns

JesusRef wrote: »

Coughlan is always driving full forwards mad - was watching him closely on Sunday and he wasnt doing anything obvious but he was certainly getting a reaction from Blanchfield, to me it looked like he is just always annoyingly pulling dragging and holding - i didnt see the last incident but Blanchfield did look badly hurt

I did see him shoulder Blanchfield when he wasnt expecting and knock him over when the ball was down the other end of the field. Didn't see what happened at the end but would strike me as unlikely if he hurt his hand and his marker bust his jaw at the same time and the incidents not be related...

danganabu

PTH2009 wrote: »

We could be beaten badly Sunday, We could win or we could put a brave performance but fall short who knows. ill take a draw. We are going for a third league win in a row over Tipp

People saying in round 3 we should beat Dublin handy but last year showed if we take the eye off the ball against them they will make us pay. It would be really nice too get a big win in Croke Park as its been a bad place for us for the last few years (bar winning the minor final in 2013)

Cork are improving and Clare are always troublesome in Ennis

Hope were not travelling to Ennis for a do or die match as that place has been as bad too us over the years as CP has

Beating Kilkenny last sunday was a fantastic result and 2 points on the board

I would be surprised (plesantly) if Waterford don't win on Sunday tbh, I really can't over emphasise how bad Dublin were and a couple of Tipp player especially Callinan and Bubble looked way off the pace.

Whatever about Sunday ye will 100% beat Dublin, and I am pretty sure that game is in Parnell Park no?

Agree re Cork but twill be very interesting to see how they cope with Waterford's physicality.

Ennis is a very tough place to win, but they will be missing Kelly, Galvin and McGrath, tbh that doesn't leave a whole pile, they are the only real top class players they have.

blueflame

Was really happy with result on Sunday because KK lose very few games at home and are specialists at winning tight matches. Not too worried about rucks etc because cold day with a soft pitch and two teams who are fast becoming experts at getting the Hurley in when guys trying to pick the ball. Summer hurling should be an entirely different proposition for both teams but then you know our summers.

On negative side thought once again we retreated into ourselves and invited KK on to us and nearly cost us a game we should have won comfortably. Likewise very slow from management to act on line, Shane Bennett was starting to have a mare, his confidence was disappearing by the second and rather then give the lad a break we left him on making mistake after mistake costing us scores. by the time they took him off his confidence was shot, his head was on the ground and he was practically pleading to be taken off - young lads like this need to be protected and some times that means taking him out early when things are going badly for him. He needs reassurance that days like that will happen but you don't lose the class that he has overnight.

Have to say i am fed up reading about the physicality of Waterford and how so many players could have gotten the line. Paudi Mahony swung back a bit blindly as he fell over having being blatantly being pushed and elbowed in the back by T J Reid, who had run 15 yards to join the "ruck" some might say if it was rugby he was merely "clearing out" but the momentum of the push had in my view as much to do with Paudis' swing back as anything else.

De Burca's challenge on Richie Hogan - i had a perfect view of it, Hogan was on the sideline he dipped his shoulder and head and went to barge through and there was a coming together with no where to go for either man. was it high, i don't think so because De Burca is about five inches taller than Hogan and that is before Hogan dropped his shoulder and head, the only way it could not have been anyway high was if De Burca kept his hand down by his side and it is not possible to tackle like that. You can be guaranteed if the roles were reversed KK would not let you travel down the line unchecked

On Coughlan, don't know what he done or what happened, i do know that of the many people i spoke to, nobody seemed to see it, and despite what we all like to think from time to time you cannot send off a man for something that nobody saw. If he did hit him off the ball and hit him hard enough to break his jaw, Coughlan needs to have a serious look at himself no matter what the provocation - but i will refuse to judge something or somebody on hearsay and speculation.

Daniel's tackle yes he was late and could have landed in trouble but no later than Hogan had been on Connors some minutes earlier, fortunately for Hogan hitting someone like Connors is likely to do more damage to yourself. Once the ref had only issued a yellow for that it left it as open season for others to follow suit. Listening to griping comments after the game about those hits is sickening from supporters who like to pride themselves on telling us all it is a manly game and how Cody dosen't even use a whistle during training matches. Genuine hurling folk in KK had no complaints


As regards the newspaper journalists. all of a sudden this physicality is not acceptable and they are trawling out the injuries KK lads have sustained in recent time, but these self same journos never once had the bottle to challenge Cody when the shoe was on the other foot. In fairness to Cody, his attitude is just that KK will have to up the physicality come Summer and you can be sure they will, but if you want to compete with them you have to match them or out muscle them.

Looking forward to another seriously strong challenge on Sunday when I feel we will see plenty more physicality and tempers flare.

PTH2009

danganabu wrote: »

I would be surprised (plesantly) if Waterford don't win on Sunday tbh, I really can't over emphasise how bad Dublin were and a couple of Tipp player especially Callinan and Bubble looked way off the pace.

Whatever about Sunday ye will 100% beat Dublin, and I am pretty sure that game is in Parnell Park no?

Agree re Cork but twill be very interesting to see how they cope with Waterford's physicality.

Ennis is a very tough place to win, but they will be missing Kelly, Galvin and McGrath, tbh that doesn't leave a whole pile, they are the only real top class players they have.

No its a part of a double header in Croke Park on the 4th March we play Dublin in the hurling at 5pm and then in the NFL its a repeat of last years AI final with Dublin vs Mayo at 7pm

Giveitfong

It was good to get the win over the Cats last Sunday, but at the final whistle my immediate emotion was not one of joy but of concern that we had made such heavy weather of it and were lucky enough to win in the end.

This was possibly the weakest Kilkenny team I have seen in nearly sixty years of following hurling. Their defence was strong enough, with six regular first teamers (including the goalie), while the newcomer at corner back, Conor O’Shea, looked handy enough. Of the remaining eight, three (Lyng, Morrissey, Blanchfield) are under-21 this year, JonJo Farrell has been in the senior panel for three years without establishing himself, and Ollie Walsh is a relative newcomer, leaving just Conor Fogarty, TJ Reid and Richie Hogan as regular first teamers. Of the five substitutes used, three were unknowns (Paddy Deegan, Conor Martin and Richie Leahy, who is only 19). Most of these fringe players lacked the physical conditioning for intercounty senior hurling.

Apart from Pat Lyng (10 possessions during his 56 minutes on the field, although he did little enough with them), the Waterford defence gobbled up most of these tyros without salt. Farrell and Blanchfield, who played almost the entire game, got just six possessions between them. Morrissey got two possessions in the first half; his replacement Walter Walsh got just one in the second half. Paddy Deegan played the ball just once in 22 minutes on the pitch. Forwards Blanchfield, Farrell, Lyng and Morrissey scored two points between them, with Richie Hogan and Walter Walsh adding just one each. Iggy Regan never had a shot to save during the game.

Waterford obtained a majority of possession (115 possessions to 102 for Kilkenny). Nevertheless, Kilkenny had more shots at goal (including frees) – 29/28. Waterford were clearly the better team for the first 40 minutes, with 19 shots to Kilkenny’s 13, and were unlucky not to be further ahead, with Eoin Murphy making two snappy saves and Mikey Kearney’s shot going inches wide. Waterford continued to dominate at the beginning of the second half, with four shots (and two scores) in the first six minutes to none for Kilkenny.

Then everything changed. Waterford only managed five shots in the remaining 33 minutes to 16 for Kilkenny. The wind only partly explains this turnaround. Kilkenny obviously upped their game, led by Conor Fogarty who had an outstanding second half. Waterford, true to form, became increasingly defensive as the half progressed. In particular, Tadhg de Búrca was withdrawn to sweep in front of the full back line, even though this was never under threat from the Kilkenny full forwards. His opposite number, TJ Reid, moved out to midfield where he won a lot of ball.

This has happened before, where the withdrawal of de Búrca to an ultra-defensive position has given an opposing forward a free hand, and when that player is a scoring forward, he can do a lot of damage. This happened in 2015 when Richie Hogan scored five points against us with nobody marking him. We can’t just withdraw de Búrca like this without assigning somebody else to mark the loose man.

Waterford also gave away a lot of unnecessary and careless frees, and some of their decision-making was poor. Shane Bennett tried two shots from midfield which had no hope of reaching the target. How he keeps getting into the team ahead of Brian O’Halloran mystifies me. Tom Devine tried a low-percentage shot under pressure when he had the unmarked Mikey Kearney behind him available for a pass. And Austin Gleeson’s attempt at a miracle score over this shoulder from the right sideline near the end of the game was precisely the wrong thing to do with Waterford defending a one-point lead. He should have taken on his man, running down the clock and perhaps earning a free or getting into a better position to score.

Another problem for Waterford was their inability to win puckouts. Of their own 25 puckouts they only won nine while of 23 Kilkenny puckouts, they only won ten, for an overall balance of 29/19 in favour of the Cats. In the first half, Waterford won six of the first seven Kilkenny puckouts and then just one of the next ten, as Eoin Murphy changed his puckout strategy.

In the end, it was only a late series of uncharacteristic bad misses by Kilkenny (especially by Reid and Hogan) which allowed Waterford to win a game which they should never have been in danger of losing.

On the positive side, I reckon last Sunday was Jamie Barron’s best game yet in a Waterford jersey. He had 16 possessions in all, and generally used the ball very well. Tadhg de Búrca actually had more possessions (17) and also had a fine game. The evergreen Brick Walsh (to whom we should also be ever-grateful) was the only other Waterford player to make double figures with 11 possessions (seven in the second half when the going got tough). See the team list below for the full possessions count.

Of course, in a tightly-contested game like we had last Sunday, possessions were not the only measure of performance, and there was also a lot of hooking, blocking and tackling by most of the Waterford players. Also, very often when a player got possession, he was unable to make use of it due to being bottled up by multiple tacklers.

I have been going on for some time here about the need for Waterford to make more creative use of sideline balls, and it was great to see a new departure in this respect last Sunday in the form of short taps to team-mates which worked out in most cases. Hopefully this will not go out the window with the return of Austin Gleeson.

It was good to see Stephen Daniels back on the field last Sunday and, although his man did get a fair bit of possession, I thought he had quite an effective game. He looked to be in fine physical shape, and his strength and aggression were just what were needed against the Cats. Once he sharpens up his hurling he could be a major asset.

Finally, a predictable feature of the game was the high number of rucks, and there was a bit of a debate after the game about how well Waterford did in these. I counted 23 rucks in which one or other team finally won the ball (before the referee intervened). Of these, Kilkenny won 12 and Waterford 11.

Possession count: Regan, I (1); Fives S (6); Coughlan B (3); Connors N (2); Gleeson C (6); de Búrca T (17); Daniel S (5); Barron J (16); Moran K (9); Kearney M (3); Mahony P (8); Walsh M (11); Bennett S (8); Devine T (5); Curran P (8); Gleeson A (2); O’Halloran B (2); Dillon J (2); McNulty S (1); O’Brien G (0).

JesusRef

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I did see him shoulder Blanchfield when he wasnt expecting and knock him over when the ball was down the other end of the field. Didn't see what happened at the end but would strike me as unlikely if he hurt his hand and his marker bust his jaw at the same time and the incidents not be related...

I saw that shoulder in the back as well, it was sneaky and pretty stupid to be honest as it could have resulted in a needless yellow.

Edit - I had commented on the incident at the end - but removed because its not fair to comment on something you didnt see

mountgomery burns

JesusRef wrote: »

I saw that shoulder in the back as well, it was sneaky and pretty stupid to be honest as it could have resulted in a needless yellow.

Didnt see the incident at the end either, there was no reaction from the people around me in the stand (i was in line with the 21) or the terrace to the incident - seems likely to me that there then wasnt a whole pile to it

Yeah I was behind the goal and there was no reaction, you'd think if it was sinister somebody would have seen it but hard to explain at the same time.

cul beag

Great analysis. Be careful not to be too critical though as we have sensitive souls on here at times!.

crottys lake

cul beag wrote: »

Great analysis. Be careful not to be too critical though as we have sensitive souls on here at times!.

Good to see you agreeing that Stephen Daniels did well then, sensible not sensitive at all.

robopaddy2

crottys lake;102641078

 Good to see you agreeing that Stephen Daniels did well then, sensible not sensitive at all.

Be careful aswell not to give management any credit at all for when we win games. Its a sure sign that you've been blinded by 'Derek the Dictator',

cul beag

The excuses are coming out early! "4-5 years behind Tipp in development". Give me a break! He's still trying to buy time with this sh**e about the u21's and needing time to develop,the fact is 10 of last Sunday's team weren't involved in the Vauxhall Conference victory and yet he wants us to believe they're all in nappies and he's up changing and feeding them every night! He's 4 yrs into the job no more excuses,he has been handed the squad of a lifetime so time now to deliver.
The facts of the matter are that Kilkenny are not the team they were, Cork,Clare,Wexford and Limerick are at least one notch below us in terms of development and settled sides which leaves Tipp and Galway realistically in the way to win the All Ireland.

deisedude

cul beag wrote: »

The excuses are coming out early! "4-5 years behind Tipp in development". Give me a break! He's still trying to buy time with this sh**e about the u21's and needing time to develop,the fact is 10 of last Sunday's team weren't involved in the Vauxhall Conference victory and yet he wants us to believe they're all in nappies and he's up changing and feeding them every night! He's 4 yrs into the job no more excuses,he has been handed the squad of a lifetime so time now to deliver.
The facts of the matter are that Kilkenny are not the team they were, Cork,Clare,Wexford and Limerick are at least one notch below us in terms of development and settled sides which leaves Tipp and Galway realistically in the way to win the All Ireland.

For fcuk sake, its what managers in every sport say. What do you want him to say? Come out and say we will hammer everyone

ThaiTanic

Hslaw wrote: »

There is always one.....

Who cares what club players are from. Once they are winning games and getting places they could all play junior for all I care

Always one? Shut up ya muppet, what will you be saying on Sunday evening when Tipp dismantle DLS? If Daniels was from any other club in the county he wouldn't even get a look in getting back onto the panel, he's getting roasted off poor club Senior forwards in Waterford as it is haha, he's DLS though straight back in

debok

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Always one? Shut up ya muppet, what will you be saying on Sunday evening when Tipp dismantle DLS? If Daniels was from any other club in the county he wouldn't even get a look in getting back onto the panel, he's getting roasted off poor club Senior forwards in Waterford as it is haha, he's DLS though straight back in

I see again your hoping for a tipp win.

thesultan

debok wrote: »

I see again your hoping for a tipp win.

What are you abusing fellas for? Make a point , except differences of opinions and response and take it like a man

The blue blaa

Is there attin to be said for another mass here.....

debok

thesultan wrote: »

What are you abusing fellas for? Make a point , except differences of opinions and response and take it like a man

Are you serious ? He just told a fella to shut up and called him a muppet but I'm abusing him. I offered my opinion that he's again hoping for a Waterford defeat to help justify his opinion. Even if I dont like magrath or fellas that were playing I wouldn't be hoping for defeats.

danganabu

cul beag wrote: »

The excuses are coming out early! "4-5 years behind Tipp in development". Give me a break! He's still trying to buy time with this sh**e about the u21's and needing time to develop,the fact is 10 of last Sunday's team weren't involved in the Vauxhall Conference victory and yet he wants us to believe they're all in nappies and he's up changing and feeding them every night! He's 4 yrs into the job no more excuses,he has been handed the squad of a lifetime so time now to deliver.
The facts of the matter are that Kilkenny are not the team they were, Cork,Clare,Wexford and Limerick are at least one notch below us in terms of development and settled sides which leaves Tipp and Galway realistically in the way to win the All Ireland.

You're embarrassing yourself at this stage :rolleyes: and whoever told you that using the phrase ''Vauxhall Conference'' was funny or clever was clearly taking the piss!

thesultan

debok wrote: »

Are you serious ? He just told a fella to shut up and called him a muppet but I'm abusing him. I offered my opinion that he's again hoping for a Waterford defeat to help justify his opinion. Even if I dont like magrath or fellas that were playing I wouldn't be hoping for defeats.

That was for him

debok

thesultan wrote: »

That was for him

Sorry bout that I took ya up wrong.

thesultan

Waterford same back line and midfield? Forward line changes?

PTH2009

thesultan wrote: »

Waterford same back line and midfield? Forward line changes?

Derek said he will use the squad this league and will rotate per match.

SOK to start on goal,Id start Darragh Fives in place of Stephen Daniels,Stephen Bennett For Shane and maybe Jake Dillion For Tom Devine, rest of team the same as the last day

Since the QF stage of the league started in 2014, it has been proven that 4 points possibily is not enough to make the QFs. We won 2 games in 2014 and still got relagated, Galway did similar last year.

JesusRef

Tipp are clearly the best team in th country at the moment - they have gone through a hell of a lot of hurt since 2009 and they will not be giving up their status as the best easy - they havae had to work so hard for it and have had so many crushing disappointments along the way.

Of course Waterfords experience is nowhere near Tipps yet, compare each counties experiences over the last 8 years - there is actually no comparison - Waterford are getting closer every year but we still have quite a long way to go - and still have a few disapointments ahead of us too.

I have huge admiration for this Tipp side, always came back after so many hard days against Kikenny to eventually get to the top... hopefully something we can learn from

PTH2009

A lot of the Waterford lads are still a few years off from reaching there peak age and lads such as Noelie, Shane Fives,Soky, Philip Mahoney, Stephen Daniels etc are at there peak (starting to feel old as I'm there age lol), while a few others are slighthly younger and older

How good will we be in say 4/5 years ???

cul beag

Danganabu when commenting on something you're not up to date on please don't embarrass yourself by trying to the George Mitchell of the form(You better look him up aswell while you get the facts on the Vauxhall Conference comment) There's a good boy! Leave the hurling to the natives.

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

A lot of the Waterford lads are still a few years off from reaching there peak age and lads such as Noelie, Shane Fives,Soky, Philip Mahoney, Stephen Daniels etc are at there peak (starting to feel old as I'm there age lol), while a few others are slighthly younger and older

How good will we be in say 4/5 years ???

Dont put off until tomorrw what you can do today

Theres no reason they cant at a minimum reach an all ireland....its nearly 10 years since theyve won in croke park at this stage


They have the players,ability,and imo the attitude to do so.....but tgis retreating to defend a lead will have to stop....cost them last augest vs kk.....almost again last sunday.....they had them there for tge beating.....why not push on and beat them well

cul beag

Just aswell Clare didn't read the script about experience a few years ago! What a load of rubbish! If you're good enough you're old enough and this is the best opportunity we have had in years to claim the ultimate prize. We have 10 fellas that started last Sunday that more than likely will start the Munster semi final and all have enough experience now so enough of that bulls**t!

PTH2009

tomwaterford wrote: »

Dont put off until tomorrw what you can do today

Theres no reason they cant at a minimum reach an all ireland....its nearly 10 years since theyve won in croke park at this stage


They have the players,ability,and imo the attitude to do so.....but tgis retreating to defend a lead will have to stop....cost them last augest vs kk.....almost again last sunday.....they had them there for tge beating.....why not push on and beat them well

To an extent the same happend in the under 21 AI final last year, we came for second half and let Galway back in the game but we had a huge lead going into that half and it was a different squad

I agree we need to stomp this out but is it the players themselves doing this or is it management instructing them ???. If we don't win an All Ireland with this talented bunch in the next 10-12 years than were never going to win one tbh

Iooking forward to Sunday and hopefully we can pick up the win although a draw would not be the end of the world.

seananigans

JesusRef wrote: »

Ti

Of course Waterfords experience is nowhere near Tipps yet, compare each counties experiences over the last 8 years - there is actually no comparison - Waterford are getting closer every year but we still have quite a long way to go - and still have a few disapointments ahead of us too.

i call bull**** you are only ever as good as your last or next game history counts for nothing, a team saying they have 20 odd all irelands what the **** does that matter, most of those people who won them are dead now.

the weight of history only matters if you let it, we can be and will be the best in the country the sooner people start believing it the sooner itll happen ,

and as for records... the longer a record goes on the closer it is to being broken, this is a statistical fact, time to stop being pessimistic and recognise the time is now

Cake Man

No changes to last Sunday.

Deise Gael

I said we'd beat Kilkenny by 5 or 6, which we should have had if we kept hurling. Kilkenny are not in a good place.

We'll also win this Sunday, Tipp have nothing done yet.

If you haven't cashed in your money on the Kilkenny game double it against Tipp.

This is only February and Tipp have bigger fish to fry come the Summer.

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

A lot of the Waterford lads are still a few years off from reaching there peak age and lads such as Noelie, Shane Fives,Soky, Philip Mahoney, Stephen Daniels etc are at there peak (starting to feel old as I'm there age lol), while a few others are slighthly younger and older

How good will we be in say 4/5 years ???

Those lads are 26, 27, 28, should be at their peak now. Very few lads still playing county over the age of 30 anymore. In 4/5 years it will be more about the Austin Gleesons, Currans and Bennetts etc leading the team, and hope the conveyor belt can keep rolling on behind them

hurler on de ditch

cul beag wrote: »

The excuses are coming out early! "4-5 years behind Tipp in development". Give me a break! He's still trying to buy time with this sh**e about the u21's and needing time to develop,the fact is 10 of last Sunday's team weren't involved in the Vauxhall Conference victory and yet he wants us to believe they're all in nappies and he's up changing and feeding them every night! He's 4 yrs into the job no more excuses,he has been handed the squad of a lifetime so time now to deliver.
The facts of the matter are that Kilkenny are not the team they were, Cork,Clare,Wexford and Limerick are at least one notch below us in terms of development and settled sides which leaves Tipp and Galway realistically in the way to win the All Ireland.

well said

ThaiTanic

Daniels gets the boot for another de la salle man McNulty, Dilion in for Paddy Curran, Jamie Barron not playing over Fitzgibbon, Selectors a Roanmore man isn't he? Trow in Gavin O Brien instead so haha. Go down to Paddy power in the morning and put the mortgage on Tipp at even money. I hate seen Waterford loosing the same as anyone but this is pure madness, anyone who can't see what's going on is blind and will be here crying on Sunday evening. It's laughable really!

manor

Lads,

Where can I.buy the Waterford blue hats.