Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

PTH2009

carter10 wrote: »

hmmm wonder what the odds of a coin toss throwing up this.....

[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Three of the quarter-finals will be played as part of attractive double-headers. [/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Galway's clash with Waterford will follow the Galway football team's pivotal Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Kildare in Pearse Stadium.[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Cork's clash with Limerick will follow the Cork football team's Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Down at Pairc Ui Rinn[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]While Offaly's clash with Tipperary will follow the Offaly football team's Allianz Football League's Division 2 match against Laois at Tullamore. [/font]

one sided coin

hard too see Waterford winning up in Galway (2012 was the last time we played up there), the main job for our league was to retain our 1A status and thats done now, so derek might go a bit experimental and go for a performance rather than a result. Galway owe us one to be fair (last 3 league meetings we won 2 and last year was a draw)

Long way up for a lot of supporters but hopefully a few will travel

KevIRL

carter10 wrote: »

hmmm wonder what the odds of a coin toss throwing up this.....

[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Three of the quarter-finals will be played as part of attractive double-headers. [/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Galway's clash with Waterford will follow the Galway football team's pivotal Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Kildare in Pearse Stadium.[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Cork's clash with Limerick will follow the Cork football team's Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Down at Pairc Ui Rinn[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]While Offaly's clash with Tipperary will follow the Offaly football team's Allianz Football League's Division 2 match against Laois at Tullamore. [/font]

Relegation match coin toss was won by Clare. In what isnt a massive shock, this also sets up a double header on Sunday.

gobo99

carter10 wrote: »

hmmm wonder what the odds of a coin toss throwing up this.....

[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Three of the quarter-finals will be played as part of attractive double-headers. [/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Galway's clash with Waterford will follow the Galway football team's pivotal Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Kildare in Pearse Stadium.[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Cork's clash with Limerick will follow the Cork football team's Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Down at Pairc Ui Rinn[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]While Offaly's clash with Tipperary will follow the Offaly football team's Allianz Football League's Division 2 match against Laois at Tullamore. [/font]

Cork Limerick wasn't a coin toss.
The odds of Offaly and Galway winning the coin toss had the same chance of any other combination. Will you be wearing the tinfoil hat up to Salthill? 😀

Deiseen

PTH2009 wrote: »

carter10 wrote: »

hmmm wonder what the odds of a coin toss throwing up this.....

[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Three of the quarter-finals will be played as part of attractive double-headers. [/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Galway's clash with Waterford will follow the Galway football team's pivotal Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Kildare in Pearse Stadium.[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]Cork's clash with Limerick will follow the Cork football team's Allianz Football League Division 2 match against Down at Pairc Ui Rinn[/font]
[font=proxima-nova, sans-serif]While Offaly's clash with Tipperary will follow the Offaly football team's Allianz Football League's Division 2 match against Laois at Tullamore. [/font]

one sided coin

hard too see Waterford winning up in Galway (2012 was the last time we played up there), the main job for our league was to retain our 1A status and thats done now, so derek might go a bit experimental and go for a performance rather than a result. Galway owe us one to be fair (last 3 league meetings we won 2 and last year was a draw)

Long way up for a lot of supporters but hopefully a few will travel

The last time we put out an experimental team in the league against Galway we absolutely annihilated them.

chookieourlaw

blueflame wrote: »

Very happy with result, but large parts of performance left a lot to be desired, and cannot agree that tactics were spot on.

Our win had as much to do with Clare's inability to kill us off as anything we produced.

Once again for large parts of the game, particularly early in the second half we ended up with one player inside their 45, it was only for about a 10 minute spell we pushed on a bit and that got us the all important goal.

Yet despite the mass of bodies and numbers we had in in the middle of the field and in our defensive lines, the Clare players were able repeatedly to pick up ball in acres of space. At times yesterday marking a man tight (other than in the full back lines) appears to be a ting of the past, and it was not as if players had to work hard to find space, they just seemed to drift into it. At times yesterday we had three players looking at each other as a free Clare player picked up a ball asking who was supposed to be picking him up. This freedom of space allowed Clare backs put tons of good quality ball in on our full back line and we very nearly paid a hefty price.

Fortunately for us Clare adopted a similar tactic, just thankfully for us we got the second goal. Quite simply against the better teams such as Tipp and KK and possibly Cork, this tactic will not work, if we give a more direct opposition this kind of time and space, they will eat us up. I know it is early in the year, but quite frankly the set up of the team worries me greatly, I see little of no improvement in our structure and i do not believe we are getting near the best out of a very talented bunch of players. I am hoping against hope that this is part of some master plan for the championship but I have my doubts.

Well said. Waterford were outplayed for most of that game yesterday and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Clare's scores came much easier than ours and they bypassed our packed defence - with ease - often by hitting balls into the corners. Dublin did the exact same thing last year when they beat us at Walsh Park. The hit-and-hope long balls into our forward line were very evident again yesterday and are generally a complete waste of time. As blueflame said they inevitably put our backs under massive pressure when the one or two ffs we have are unable to get to the Hail Marys and the opposition backs have plenty of time and space to accurately work quality ball up to their forwards.
There is no way we will beat Tipp, KK or even a resurgent Cork using these tactics in the championship.

Deise_2012

And we're back

tommylad1212

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

chookieourlaw

Deise_2012 wrote: »

And we're back

So you think we were not out played yesterday for most of the game and were happy to see ball after ball being wasted?

KevIRL

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

How long for? Shane fives maybe?

tommylad1212

KevIRL wrote: »

How long for? Shane fives maybe?

3 months most likely with a broken jaw in 2 places

KevIRL

tommylad1212 wrote: »

3 months most likely with a broken jaw in 2 places

Fukk. Big loss

Mulbert

On a point of interest, because of the shape of the jawbone it seldom breaks in one place only!

cul beag

chookieourlaw wrote: »

So you think we were not out played yesterday for most of the game and were happy to see ball after ball being wasted?

Don't rise to the bait because you dare not criticise the regime.

cul beag

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

He has escaped for a long time because he's constantly at opposing players off the.ball. Unfortunately he's not a Diarmud O Sullivan or a Brian Logan that he can mix it when the tough stuff starts. Not nice to hear that he has that injury though.

Deise_2012

Do Lohan and O'Sullivan have unbreakable jaws? 😂

cul beag

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

Conan Watt or Eddie Barrett I'm hearing!

mountgomery burns

It'll be Shane Fives.

crottys lake

cul beag wrote: »

He has escaped for a long time because he's constantly at opposing players off the.ball. Unfortunately he's not a Diarmud O Sullivan or a Brian Logan that he can mix it when the tough stuff starts. Not nice to hear that he has that injury though.

Coughlan can mix it with the best of them. What do you mean 'escaped' ?

TheScoringGoal

So to sum up the mood

1 To the dismay of many Waterford won. Clare's scores were easier but strangely they couldn't get as many easy scores as we got hard scores. Waterford were outplayed for long periods but again strangely despite this and the easy scores they weren't far enough away from Clare to avoid winning.

Derek McGrath should be sacked as teams that play against us hit cross field ball to their corner forwards.

Mulbert

2. This thread is predominantly posted to by people whom, for whatever reason have a serious distain toward Derek McGrath. Whatever the result, be good or bad it is seen as a poor performance. Nothing is good enough and negativity prevails by the more multiple posters.Most people I talk to couldn't give two fks about the league or hurling in March, it's all to do with the summer.

Deisedozzer

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

Though you wouldn't think it with the constant negativity and criticism aimed at Coughlan by a number of posters here, he is a huge loss and deservedly one of the first names on the teamsheet every game. Likely replacement would be Shane Fives moving across although that weakens us in the corner with one of McNulty, Daniels or Conor Gleeson starting in the corner. Daniels might be considered although personally I wouldn't put him there. Most intriguing possibility would be to move TDB to FB and start Aussie at CB?

Mulbert

TheScoringGoal wrote:

1 To the dismay of many Waterford won. Clare's scores were easier but strangely they couldn't get as many easy scores as we got hard scores. Waterford were outplayed for long periods but again strangely despite this and the easy scores they weren't far enough away from Clare to avoid winning.

Deisedozzer wrote:

Though you wouldn't think it with the constant negativity and criticism aimed at Coughlan by a number of posters here, he is a huge loss and deservedly one of the first names on the teamsheet every game. Likely replacement would be Shane Fives moving across although that weakens us in the corner with one of McNulty, Daniels or Conor Gleeson starting in the corner. Daniels might be considered although personally I wouldn't put him there. Most intriguing possibility would be to move TDB to FB and start Aussie at CB?

A sensible post? Wow!

culbaire

crottys lake wrote: »

Coughlan can mix it with the best of them. What do you mean 'escaped' ?

Are you really serious?

JesusRef

For some posters here the disappointment that Waterford won was somewhat lessened by the silver cloud that some of Dereks Pets didnt play well.

Hang in there lads, there is a long season yet, ye never know yer prayers might be answered and Tipp might beat us by 8 goals this time round.

Fingers crossed!!!

SW1985

Coughlan the best full back in the country?? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

It's never nice to see a player get injured but it might turn out a blessing if we finally get the full back position sorted out properly in his absence. Shane Fives to full back and maybe Conor Gleeson to corner back? Lack of numbers could be an issue with fringe players not showing the requisite quality. Stephen Daniels looks a liability. Philip Mahoney should be back soon but we need another back to show something.

Any updates on Daragh Fives' fitness? He'd be a huge addition but seems to be made of glass

debok

SW1985 wrote: »

Coughlan the best full back in the country?? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

It's never nice to see a player get injured but it might turn out a blessing if we finally get the full back position sorted out properly in his absence. Shane Fives to full back and maybe Conor Gleeson to corner back? Lack of numbers could be an issue with fringe players not showing the requisite quality. Stephen Daniels looks a liability. Philip Mahoney should be back soon but we need another back to show something.

Any updates on Daragh Fives' fitness? He'd be a huge addition but seems to be made of glass

Who said he was best in country?

robopaddy2

Firstly, Coughlan injured is a massive blow. Aside from the fact that he's been doing a fine job, the big worry now is that the  managements tunnel-vision towards him at fullback they have literally tested no one else in this position, league or championship for the guts of 3 seasons. I've been saying it earlier in the league, its bizarre to stick with the same FB line during the league and not give someone else a run. Maybe the feeling was that Shane Fives would be the plan B at full back and  someone like Conor Gleeson or McNulty can slot into the corner. Fives has been a fine corner back for the past few seasons but little or no game-time at full back which is a different and specialist position. People assume he can just slot in there seamlessly. The only saving grace is at least this  happened when there is a league game left to get it sorted and not just before or during championship.

tomwaterford

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Barry coughlan out now with a broken jaw.
Who will be the new full back ??

Like all things.....will he only be missed when hes gone....he comes in for some unreal harsh critism on here.....some of it bordering on obsessive by some posters


Always taught he did a good....if u spectauluar job at full back......who will replace him from inside the county now.....im expecting clean sheets and all opposite full forwards to held scoreless from here out......either that or alot pf those posters who seem to be irrationally obsessive about him and his performances are piling undue preasure and critism for reasons it would be unfair to speculate

Jayesdiem

3ships wrote: »

Derek's winning matches

Derek's doing podcasts.

enoughtaken

culbaire wrote: »

crottys lake wrote: »

Coughlan can mix it with the best of them. What do you mean 'escaped' ?

Are you really  serious?

Did you manage yet to come with the names of the 4 lads that should be on the team

crottys lake

enoughtaken wrote: »

Did you manage yet to come with the names of the 4 lads that should be on the team

Well said 'Enoughtaken'. Ah yes, the mysterious four players that he refuses to name but sly digs at Barry Coughlan and Derek MaGrath... While he will continue the ''digs'' etc and not name 'his' four players at least he will name a better full back than Barry Coughlan in the country. He will have to think long and hard and then back it up though firstly.

Opposition teams have been targeting Tadgh more than anything in this league and did so again on Sunday. In fact, I challenge anyone of the 'knockers' on here to name a better full back than Coughlan.

Oh and of course we will continue our wait for the so called ''four''.

Deiseen

Honestly cannot, and never could, understand the criticism of Coughlan.
Most saying he plays the man too much rather than the ball, but he's doing a fine job and this is something Waterford people were calling for, for as long as i can remember.

Now we have someone doing the business and they're saying it's a blessing in disguise that the lad has broke his jaw. Fairly disgusting tbh.

Would Conor Gleeson not be the best man to slot in there?

crottys lake

Deiseen wrote: »

Honestly cannot, and never could, understand the criticism of Coughlan.
Most saying he plays the man too much rather than the ball, but he's doing a fine job and this is something Waterford people were calling for, for as long as i can remember.

Now we have someone doing the business and they're saying it's a blessing in disguise that the lad has broke his jaw. Fairly disgusting tbh.

Would Conor Gleeson not be the best man to slot in there?

Surely Shane Roche ? Conor is a brilliant man marker too. Shane Fives plays very much off the front foot and the full back these days have to be more restrained and spoil a lot.

Look at the roasting Tom Devine gave to the Clare defence when introduced.

Another man that was brilliant when he came on was Tommy Ryan. Often overlooked but showed once more what he can do, especially on a dry sod.

DLS2THECORE

Confirmed - Galway V Waterford will be shown live on TG4 this coming Sunday

3ships

Best of luck to Barry Coughlan on his recovery hope he is back for the Munster championship. If you look at the Full backs in the other 8 hurling counties Barry is probably mid tier. He wasn't nominated all star last year tho was the year before. The Dublin Full Back is impressive and obviously Burke and Barry ahead at the moment. BC is about Dillon level ahead of couple of others.

Last Sunday TdeB went Full Back in the second half to mark Podge and BC stayed on Shanagher. From time to time Shane Fives or Noel Connors would be in there and against Dublin in 2015 Dara Fives played no.3 when Noel Connors went off injured.

The problem with Barry Coughlan is that while he was left in there to grow into the position you now have no one else battle hardened to go in there ie Shane Roche or Kieran Bennett. Conor Gleeson or Shane Mc could go in there if marking a smaller type. Having said that I just named 7/8 options which can't be bad thing either.

whiteandblue

3ships wrote: »

Best of luck to Barry Coughlan on his recovery hope he is back for the Munster championship. If you look at the Full backs in the other 8 hurling counties Barry is probably mid tier. He wasn't nominated all star last year tho was the year before. The Dublin Full Back is impressive and obviously Burke and Barry ahead at the moment. BC is about Dillon level ahead of couple of others.

Last Sunday TdeB went Full Back in the second half to mark Podge and BC stayed on Shanagher. From time to time Shane Fives or Noel Connors would be in there and against Dublin in 2015 Dara Fives played no.3 when Noel Connors went off injured.

The problem with Barry Coughlan is that while he was left in there to grow into the position you now have no one else battle hardened to go in there ie Shane Roche or Kieran Bennett. Conor Gleeson or Shane Mc could go in there if marking a smaller type. Having said that I just named 7/8 options which can't be bad thing either.

No doubt Coughlan will be missed but McGrath has put no plans in place over the last 3 years in case of an injury to Coughlan. I would say Coughlan has played all but one league and championship game since 2015 and now, we have no tried or tested option in Coughlan's absence. We have seen Michael Ryan and Brian Cody test players in this vital position throughout the league, hence giving them a player that has played at least one game at full-back at senior level.

However there are some options despite this lack of experience. Conor Gleeson played the under 21 championship there last year, and done a good job as he picked up the dangermen for other counties like Shanagher when we played Clare. Shane Fives can move across and has the height and speed that hopefully will see him adapt to the position and I think he played there underage. Tadhg de Búrca could be tried back at full back and similarly to Fives, he has speed and the ability to man mark. Also, as we may be playing Tipp who will have Callinan at full forward, I'm sure Noel Connors could do as a makeshift full back to man mark him. Other options like Conor Prunty (injured), Shane Roche, Kieran Bennett, Shane McNulty (more experienced than other 3) etc are untested at this level in any position, never mind full back.

I have never been one to criticise McGrath on this forum like others, but I feel it is a basic mistake to not have tried another player at full back in the league in case of injury to Coughlan.

On a positive note, it was great to get the win in Ennis on Sunday despite not performing to the best of our ability but winning was the most important thing, and the team and management achieved this and avoided the relegation playoff and now have the opportunity to push on and try to win a national title.

3ships

Ironically Shane Roche it seems left panel due lack opportunity. Keiran Bennett has at least a couple of 21 and Fitzgibbons campaigns behind him and the next logical step is a no pressure league game. He also has the benefit of the chasing his brothers around the back garden for years! Prunty is back in contention, Ian Kenny was there last Sunday and Seamus Keating another defensive option to cover Shane Fives if he is FB.

Daragh Fives and Philip Mahony are nearly there. Does anyone have an update on Michael Harney?

Jjjjjjjbarry

I think people forget the issues Waterford have had with full back in recent times. Considering that, Barry has done a fine job. It's not a position for fancy hurling and he's great at putting full forwards off their game. Liam Lawlor was underrated at it too.

It's not so long ago we had to try Ken McGrath and Brick Walsh at full back as there was no better option.

Scorpion Sting

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Hammer Archer

Scorpion Sting wrote: »

10,000 posts reached.

Indeed.
New thread here.
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