Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

TyrionPower

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah I was going to post this, I think in previous years our u21 games were sandwiched between senior fixtures and also the fact that our lads were coming into those games on a low. Beating Cork last week on the back of a fantastic league campaign will surely count for something on Weds.
It seems in previous years we had serious teams also but not so much the form with it bar a player here and there. Weds will be interesting, would be great to keep the momentum going. Will wlr be doing the game live?

I doubt WLR will do it - they only really do finals at underage grades - but if you try the Cork radio station they might have it - I am not 100% but it might be 103fm

Waternut

TyrionPower wrote: »

I doubt WLR will do it - they only really do finals at underage grades - but if you try the Cork radio station they might have it - I am not 100% but it might be 103fm

It's on TG4, I will have to refresh on the old Gaeilge...

Deise_2012

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah I was going to post this, I think in previous years our u21 games were sandwiched between senior fixtures and also the fact that our lads were coming into those games on a low. Beating Cork last week on the back of a fantastic league campaign will surely count for something on Weds.
It seems in previous years we had serious teams also but not so much the form with it bar a player here and there. Weds will be interesting, would be great to keep the momentum going. Will wlr be doing the game live?

If you're in Sydney, watch it on tg4 player and download Hola, set the location to Ireland and you'll get the game no problem

GAA2TheCore

The starting 15 I would pick for Wednesday nights game with cork would be:
1 Nolan
2 Conor Gleeson
3 K Bennet
4 S McNulty
5 Harney
6 De Burca
7 Aussie
8 Cathal Curran
9 T Devine
10 Shane Bennet
11 R Donnelly
12 C Dunford
13 P Curran
14 Stephen Bennet
15 M Kearney

Think that is our strongest starting 15 with the replacements to bring on in Power, Phelan, O'Sullivan, Curran

Deise_2012

GAA2TheCore wrote: »

The starting 15 I would pick for Wednesday nights game with cork would be:
1 Nolan
2 Conor Gleeson
3 K Bennet
4 S McNulty
5 Harney
6 De Burca
7 Aussie
8 Cathal Curran
9 T Devine
10 Shane Bennet
11 R Donnelly
12 C Dunford
13 P Curran
14 Stephen Bennet
15 M Kearney

Think that is our strongest starting 15 with the replacements to bring on in Power, Phelan, O'Sullivan, Curran

I agree with your backline but Cathal Curran isn't good enough imo, I've seen him plenty of times for Dungarvan and I'd much prefer Mark O'Brien or Colin Dunford there. I'd pick DJ Foran ahead of Ryan Donnelly too for ball winning ability and also due to the fact Dono hasn't seen much game time yet this year. I'd prefer to have him as an impact sub at the moment, and then you have Cormac Curran, Darragh Lyons, Kieran Power, Colm Roche and Brendan Phelan

Deise_2012

Waterford U21 Team to play Cork on Wednesday night at 7.30pm in Pairc Ui Rinn.
Best of luck lads
1 Billy Nolan Roanmore
2 Shane Mc Nulty De La Salle
3 Kieran Bennett Ballysaggart
4 Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
5 Michéal Harney Bonmahon
6 Tadhg De Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
7 Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8 Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
9 Tom Devine Modeligo
10 Colin Dunford Colligan
11 Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
12 D.J. Foran Portlaw
13 Ryan Donnelly Dungarvan
14 Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
15 Patrick Curran Dungarvan

Deise_2012

Michael Kearney is the surprise absentee

Deise_2012

Colin Dunford to swap with Aussie. Shane Bennett to stay wing back??

Cornerstoner

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Colin Dunford to swap with Aussie. Shane Bennett to stay wing back??

He's played all his underage hurling for the county in defence. We have an embarrassment of riches in attack anyway

Deise_2012

Cornerstoner wrote: »

He's played all his underage hurling for the county in defence. We have an embarrassment of riches in attack anyway

Played last year in the forward line for the minors, but yeah we have so much attacking talent it's ridiculous

Cornerstoner

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Played last year in the forward line for the minors, but yeah we have so much attacking talent it's ridiculous

You are right. Was thinking of him corner back in 2012 and wing back on the all Ireland team of 2013
He is a better forward but will give the half back line real impetus going forward

Mountainlad

Went back center back in the second half v Kilkenny and was immense. Could put him anywhere really

stumblingblock

For all our embarrassment of riches I think the full back line isn't great

Deise_2012

stumblingblock wrote: »

For all our embarrassment of riches I think the full back line isn't great

Shane Mc is on the Senior panel with 2 years so he must be doing something right. Was talking to a few lads and they said Kieran Bennett is flying by all accounts, haven't seen Conor Gleeson since last years minor but the lad is a class act

DiscoStew

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Waterford U21 Team to play Cork on Wednesday night at 7.30pm in Pairc Ui Rinn.
Best of luck lads
1 Billy Nolan Roanmore
2 Shane Mc Nulty De La Salle
3 Kieran Bennett Ballysaggart
4 Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
5 Michéal Harney Bonmahon
6 Tadhg De Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
7 Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8 Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
9 Tom Devine Modeligo
10 Colin Dunford Colligan
11 Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
12 D.J. Foran Portlaw
13 Ryan Donnelly Dungarvan
14 Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
15 Patrick Curran Dungarvan

I would expect a number of positional changes to the team named. One change in personnel also possibly.
Think Aussie and Shane Bennett will both be in half forwards with Donnelly. Stephen Bennett surely be inside for goal threat. Dunford midfield. Can't see both Foran and Cormac Curran starting.

archieknox

DiscoStew wrote: »

I would expect a number of positional changes to the team named. One change in personnel also possibly.
Think Aussie and Shane Bennett will both be in half forwards with Donnelly. Stephen Bennett surely be inside for goal threat. Dunford midfield. Can't see both Foran and Cormac Curran starting.

Darragh Lyons will start.

stumblingblock

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Shane Mc is on the Senior panel with 2 years so he must be doing something right. Was talking to a few lads and they said Kieran Bennett is flying by all accounts, haven't seen Conor Gleeson since last years minor but the lad is a class act

Not doubting them as individuals but none of the 3 would be naturally at home in the full back line. Kieran Bennett probably out of the 3 would have played there the most in his career. think its a quality team but the full backline would be the one line on the pitch with a few question marks over it for me.

DiscoStew

archieknox wrote: »

Darragh Lyons will start.

In place of Cormac Curran I would imagine with the reshuffle seeing him move out to midfield. Devine back to wing back I would think!
That puts DJ Foran in the inside line. His biggest asset would be his ball winning so find that a little odd.

Bench of Mark O'Brien, Michael Kearney, Cormac Curran, Cathal Curran, Brendan Phelan possibly.

Anyone have full list of subs?

Deise_2012

DiscoStew wrote: »

In place of Cormac Curran I would imagine with the reshuffle seeing him move out to midfield. Devine back to wing back I would think!
That puts DJ Foran in the inside line. His biggest asset would be his ball winning so find that a little odd.

Bench of Mark O'Brien, Michael Kearney, Cormac Curran, Cathal Curran, Brendan Phelan possibly.

Anyone have full list of subs?

You'll have Jason Roche, Jack Mullaney, Colm Roche, Kieran Power to add to that

GAA2TheCore

DiscoStew wrote: »

In place of Cormac Curran I would imagine with the reshuffle seeing him move out to midfield. Devine back to wing back I would think!
That puts DJ Foran in the inside line. His biggest asset would be his ball winning so find that a little odd.

Bench of Mark O'Brien, Michael Kearney, Cormac Curran, Cathal Curran, Brendan Phelan possibly.

Anyone have full list of subs?

I would drop Foran instead of Curran , Curran is big strong and likes to get stuck in and if we keep him on edge of square and pump ball into him I think it could pay dividends, I'd bring Kearney in for foran

culbaire

GAA2TheCore wrote: »

I would drop Foran instead of Curran , Curran is big strong and likes to get stuck in and if we keep him on edge of square and pump ball into him I think it could pay dividends, I'd bring Kearney in for foran

The Cork team is one of the poorest in years. No excuses for not beating the Rebels

HatchetMan7

I think the U21 management will go with the positions the players are more used to playing. Colin Dunford to midfield, Tom Devine to centre forward, Stephan Bennett to full forward and Cormac Curran to wing forward. Having said that though i would imagine that the likes of Cormac Curran will be in full forward at some stages during the game. I think the players named in the starting 15 will all start too. Its a big physical team with alot of ball winners in the air and a nice blend of pace from Shane Bennett, Patrick Curran and Colin Dunford. Our record is very poor recently at this grade but if this team can play anywhere near their potential they should have enough to get the win. Good luck to the under 21 team on Wednesday.

Orizio

Lads if you aren't beating that Cork team a point a man at least I don't know what to say.

archieknox

Orizio wrote: »

Lads if you aren't beating that Cork team a point a man at least I don't know what to say.

Now I know you're making that statement on the Waterford site for alternative reasons but to be brutally honest we should be winning this game tomorrow night. Its the poorest Cork team for years,one that might be well organised and will play with a sweeper system but with the abundance of talent at our disposal I can't see us being beaten. Spillane at full forward will probably cause a few problems but with Cork using a 2 man inside line id expect Tadgh to cover in front and negate that threat. Expect young Lyons to start midfield with Aussie and Shane Bennett moving to the half forward line with Dono leaving Harney and McNulty in the halfback line. Our forwards I believe will create havoc,5 of the 6 of them have played senior championship for Waterford so I'm expecting us to get over the line comfortably here but face a more difficult task against Clare in 3 weeks time. I will be accused of arrogance here but when you see the array of talent both starting and on the bench,all fully fit,then surely we're looking at causing more than a few ripples in the grade.

Orizio

I'm not really making it for alternative reasons, that's a shockingly poor U-21 team and there is no point sugar coating just how poor we have a fallen at underage. It should be said we are missing 7-8 starters on top of everything else. Surely the youngest Cork team we've ever put out at U-21.

Also I'd like to see Waterford win the U-21. Better than Tipp/KK/Galway.

TyrionPower

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, as good and all as the 2013 minor team was they actually lost twice in championship and at U21 level wouldn't have made it past the first day.
U21 is a totally different animal being knockout - Cork have an advantage in that they have trained and lined out in matches multiple times in their preferred positions and gameplan - Waterford on the other hand will probably be lining out like this for the first time ever - with our heavy involvement in seniors our preparation cannot compare to Corks..
Look we have a good team - and they would want to be to win in Pairc Uí Rinn - this will be a hard won game

thesultan

Very surprised with those questioning DJ Foran's selection when any reports I've seen of the man he has played brilliantly for UCC in the Cork championship

DiscoStew

thesultan wrote: »

Very surprised with those questioning DJ Foran's selection when any reports I've seen of the man he has played brilliantly for UCC in the Cork championship

I wouldn't be questioning his selection but more so his positioning. Think he should be out half forward for ball winning ability. He could well spend some time out there. Would be in favour of putting Donnelly inside and DJ out to half line personally. DJ has done some damage for UCC from full forward but I think that is also Stephen Bennetts best position.

deiseach

If Derek McGrath is to be believed, we need to ditch this defeatist mentality if we are to prosper. Waterford by 7.

Of course, I don't believe that you can win games just by willing it. Cork will be hungry, prepared, have home advantage, and history on their side. Let's give it a lash and see what happens.

TyrionPower

For Cork U21s this is the biggest game of the year - their sole focus as a group.

For Waterford a lot of our guys are thinking of July 12th - we run the risk of not having the same hunger...

Cork going into this ideally, playing the poor mouth, but salivating at the prospect of an ambush

ShamoBuc

TyrionPower wrote: »

For Cork U21s this is the biggest game of the year - their sole focus as a group.

For Waterford a lot of our guys are thinking of July 12th - we run the risk of not having the same hunger...

Cork going into this ideally, playing the poor mouth, but salivating at the prospect of an ambush

Cork are playing the poor mouth with very good reason, they are clearly a poorer team than Waterford, that's just a fact.

deiseach

TGV

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Waterford U21 Team to play Cork on Wednesday night at 7.30pm in Pairc Ui Rinn.
Best of luck lads
1 Billy Nolan Roanmore
2 Shane Mc Nulty De La Salle
3 Kieran Bennett Ballysaggart
4 Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
5 Michéal Harney Bonmahon
6 Tadhg De Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
7 Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8 Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
9 Tom Devine Modeligo
10 Colin Dunford Colligan
11 Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
12 D.J. Foran Portlaw
13 Ryan Donnelly Dungarvan
14 Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
15 Patrick Curran Dungarvan

It really is all Waterford team. I met an old guy who believed Waterford would never win an all Ireland with a team dominated by the city. We are too small a county to have half the population not represented. Anyway hope he was right, looking forward to the match, but of luck to the players

skaface

Best of luck to our management & team tomorrow night
Up The Deise

stumblingblock

A lot of silly people on here writing Cork off on their home patch. People saying its one of Cork’s poorest ever u21 sides but make no bones about it there are no poor players on that Cork team. Yes we have a talented group of players, but all the talk has been about Waterford so the pressure is on to deliver. This Cork side did nothing at minor. Coming in under the radar but will be waiting in the long grass. If ever we were set up for an ambush this is it. They did it last year on our home patch and while people have argued how this year is different weve been down that road before. You would hope the senior lads can carry the momentum of their senior form across but you just don’t know at this level. I would have questions marks about our full back line and throwing a 16 year old in goals at this level is a big gamble. Were far from being a proven outfit. I agree we definitely have a better side on paper but I expect very VERY little to be in this at the end of the 60 mins.

Orizio

You've reached deep into your cliche handbook there Stumlingblock.

logbox

DiscoStew wrote: »

I would expect a number of positional changes to the team named. One change in personnel also possibly.
Think Aussie and Shane Bennett will both be in half forwards with Donnelly. Stephen Bennett surely be inside for goal threat. Dunford midfield. Can't see both Foran and Cormac Curran starting.

Think you are probably right. Cormac Curran will not be playing. He picked up a nasty injury at work last week.

TyrionPower

stumblingblock wrote: »

A lot of silly people on here writing Cork off on their home patch. People saying its one of Cork’s poorest ever u21 sides but make no bones about it there are no poor players on that Cork team. Yes we have a talented group of players, but all the talk has been about Waterford so the pressure is on to deliver. This Cork side did nothing at minor. Coming in under the radar but will be waiting in the long grass. If ever we were set up for an ambush this is it. They did it last year on our home patch and while people have argued how this year is different weve been down that road before. You would hope the senior lads can carry the momentum of their senior form across but you just don’t know at this level. I would have questions marks about our full back line and throwing a 16 year old in goals at this level is a big gamble. Were far from being a proven outfit. I agree we definitely have a better side on paper but I expect very VERY little to be in this at the end of the 60 mins.

i have been saying it the last few days, you are dead right..
It's amazing how so many people here are experts on cork U21 hurling - they must have seen them play heaps of games... I will have to reserve judgement and my opinion on them until I see them in the flesh tonight

Brad1234

We'll win by at least 5 points.. Not being arrogant but these players are on a role and I'd expect a good performance out of us and win it with a bit to spare.

You base it on players on both sides and what you have seen.. None of this Cork wont role over and tradition stuff.. They may not role over but they'll still be bet..

KevIRL

Roll...

(Sorry Brad.)

Prefer a blaa meself mind...

deisedude

I know this Cork team haven't many household names but haven't they been performing very well in challenge matches?

Given our record at this level we can not afford to be cocky playing anyone. Last year we had a much superior team on paper and we got walloped

Deise_2012

deisedude wrote: »

I know this Cork team haven't many household names but haven't they been performing very well in challenge matches?

Given our record at this level we can not afford to be cocky playing anyone. Last year we had a much superior team on paper and we got walloped

Their keeper made 2 outstanding saves in the first 5 minutes last year from Donie Breathnach and Mikey Kearney I think. If they went in, it would have been a totally different game, after that Kevin Daly got a bit exposedplaying corner back, and they should really have put Tadhg Bourke marking Cadogan for the game

deiseach

I'm no expert on anything the Cork Under-21 scene, but if they have better players than that Waterford 15, why didn't they play them in the Senior team? I still think the smart money will be on Cork thanks to home advantage and the weight of history - I know 'history' doesn't hit the ball, but you couldn't blame any Waterford player who suddenly started to tighten up and lose their focus if they found themselves a couple of points up with a couple of minutes to go; I know I'd be absolutely crapping myself watching it at home - but we are entitled to be optimistic.

Cake Man

It won't be anyway easy, there's no such thing as a bad Cork side given the pick and resources they have, let alone the history they have and playing in their own back yard. I'd expect a huge effort from them and hoping our star performers can pull another performance out of the hat.
We had our arses handed to us last year and also in 2010/11 I think it was (I remember Tommy Ryan was on the team for whatever reason) when we went down there with another serious team (on paper) and were bet out the gate after putting up a paltry 1-03. Corks recent form in challenge games surely means they have something about them.

Just hope Tony and Mullane have them well prepped. Any sort of a win and I'd be delighted.
The very best of luck to all the lads this evening, Up the Déise

TyrionPower

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Their keeper made 2 outstanding saves in the first 5 minutes last year from Donie Breathnach and Mikey Kearney I think. If they went in, it would have been a totally different game, after that Kevin Daly got a bit exposedplaying corner back, and they should really have put Tadhg Bourke marking Cadogan for the game

The same could happen tonight - same keeper - he could make 5 great saves and it would be all ifs and buts..
Last year we didn't take our chances, in Cork they said last year it was a very poor team with none of the players standing out in senior club with the exception of Spilane and Cadogan... They walloped is at home

TyrionPower

deiseach wrote: »

I'm no expert on anything the Cork Under-21 scene, but if they have better players than that Waterford 15, why didn't they play them in the Senior team? I still think the smart money will be on Cork thanks to home advantage and the weight of history - I know 'history' doesn't hit the ball, but you couldn't blame any Waterford player who suddenly started to tighten up and lose their focus if they found themselves a couple of points up with a couple of minutes to go; I know I'd be absolutely crapping myself watching it at home - but we are entitled to be optimistic.

There could be a whole host of reasons that they weren't on the senior team other then ability,
- JBM too loyal to current crop
- yet to be given an opportunity to make a name for themselves (that could be tonight)
- college exam ties
Patrick curran could be the best player on show tonight and he only came on the senior panel a few weeks ago, who is to say they don't have more like that?

We are basing everything we know on what we know about Waterford..

As I said already this group are very talented but are they that fair ahead of everyone else..
They lost twice and drew twice at minor level (beating cork after extra time)

deiseach

TyrionPower wrote: »

Patrick curran could be the best player on show tonight and he only came on the senior panel a few weeks ago, who is to say they don't have more like that?

FAO any Cork people reading this. Do ye have any players of the quality of Patrick Curran bubbling under?

Mountainlad

TyrionPower wrote: »

There could be a whole host of reasons that they weren't on the senior team other then ability,
- JBM too loyal to current crop
- yet to be given an opportunity to make a name for themselves (that could be tonight)
- college exam ties
Patrick curran could be the best player on show tonight and he only came on the senior panel a few weeks ago, who is to say they don't have more like that?

We are basing everything we know on what we know about Waterford..

As I said already this group are very talented but are they that fair ahead of everyone else..
They lost twice and drew twice at minor level (beating cork after extra time)

That was 2013, this 2012 minor team.

TyrionPower

Mountainlad wrote: »

That was 2013, this 2012 minor team.

I know but our stand out players are from the 2013 side - the point I am making is that talented and all as they are they far from had it there own way when claiming the minor title

TyrionPower

deiseach wrote: »

FAO any Cork people reading this. Do ye have any players of the quality of Patrick Curran bubbling under?

They would rank the goalie up there as a guy who will be hanging onto the senior jersey and winning allstars for years to come - there are good young hurlers everywhere.