Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

OEP

Roy Coates wrote: »

I'm from Abbeyside mate, so here are a few facts for you.

We won the intermediate in 2003. Since then we have contested 1 county final, 3 semi finals and 9 quarter finals. However in your utopian vision of the senior championship we would be considered a B team in the morning. Can you please outline the exact criteria that must be met to be a real senior team?

I think one of his criteria is to be from the city.

Alf Tupper

OEP wrote: »

I think one of his criteria is to be from the city.

Exactly!

By Hardy's criteria, we should have a senior championship with about 3 or 4 teams in it

Sure what use is it to have Dungarvan,, Tallow, Abbeyside, Lismore, Ballyduff etc competing in it.

Has he any idea how insulting it is to the rest of the clubs in the county who have a proud tradition of winning senior country championships. By his reckoning Ballyduff wouldn't have even contested the 2007 senior championship because they were only promoted two years previously and nobody gave them a chance at the start of that season.

It would be a far better move for the county board to reduce the Senior football championship to three or four teams and maybe have a 7 a side football championship for every other club in the county run over a long weekend and not to be wasting clubs valuable resources in idiotic football championships throughout a long season just because they feel obliged to field a football team.

DE DEISE

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Stacksofwacks

MUFC91CS wrote: »

What would peoples opinions be on having a 14 team championship with an east and west divisional side made up of junior and intermediate players?

There was a group team system tried some years back, Gleann na Deise and another team in the west and faughs in eastern county and Meaghers in City area. It didnt really work, there was a few walkovers given and didnt seem to be much interest in the teams. I wouldnt see the point of it really

independent11

DE DEISE wrote: »

Tickets???? For Munster Final when do they go on sale

10am tomorrow

skaface

independent11 wrote: »

10am tomorrow

How much are tickets??

stumblingblock

comeraghs wrote: »

I think the senior championship structure is pretty much as good as it can be right now!

but it's time to make the intermediate one an all-county system!

As proven here, Hardybucks proposal wont work as too many clubs will take exception to their teams being regraded.

This is what I would propose to freshen up the championship structures in the county.


Senior

Current system as it stands with 2 groups of 6. Except top 2 to go into semis and and 2nd and 3rd place go into 2 quarter finals. (Scrap the 4 team quarterfinal setup which makes no sense in leagues consisting of 6 teams)

Bottom2 teams from each group cross-play each other in relegation semi finals and losers then into relegation final.

4th place teams involvement for the year ends once league is over. It would ensure much more to play for in the group stages and be interesting to see if the likes of Ballygunner and De la Salle would be as pedestrian as they normally are in the group stages


All-county Intermediate Premier

Same System as senior. 2 groups of 6. Start with the top 6 intermediate teams from the west and top 6 from the east. Seeded depending on their performances intheir division last year.

Have 2 quarter finals as per senior knock-out setup

2 teams to get relegated and 2 promoted from the second intermediate grade to make things more competitive.

For argument sakes the top intermediate teams in the west would be Ardmore, Ring,Tourin, Ballysaggart, Stradbally and Shamrocks.

While in the east would be St Saviours, Clonea, Dunhill, Portlaw, Ferrybank and Ballygunner B’.

You would have a pretty strong championship there with 2 groups of 6 involving those teams.



Secondary Intermediate

Remaining intermediate teams from east and west put into 2 groups again with 2 TO BE PROMOTED and 2 to be relegated down from intermediate premier.

Have 4 quarter finals in knock-out stage for top 4 in each group. Keep as much interest as possible for teams in this grade

Teams in this grade would be the likes of Ballinameela, Modeligo, Brickey Rangers, Clashmore,Fourmilewater B’ from the West and St Mollerans, Erins Own, DLS, Mt Sion,Ballyduff lower, Tramore, Ballydurn from the east ( I admit I’m not notentirely sure of all intermediate teams I know some of those maybe junior, Itsjust for argument sake before people start jumping down my throat!).

Junior

Eastand West Junior Championships remain as they are with Junior proper and secondteams all in the one championship.


The above proposal would apply to football aswell.

Its a long shot I know as it would mean the divisional boards agreeing to vote for an allcounty intermediate system. But a better one for the good of the standard of GAA in the county.

Gardner

Quite simple in my opinion

Senior stays as is. 2 groups of 6.
Top 2 teams straight into semi. 2 and 3rd into quarter final. Bottom 2 in each group relegated to intermediate. (you have 5 games to prove your senior hurling status otherwise bye bye)

Intermediate 2 groups in all county championship. (upto 8 to 9 games in league)
Top 2 teams straight into semi. 2 and 3rd into quarter final. Bottom 2 in each group relegated to Junior. Winners of intermediate final go onto Munster club but both teams in final are already promoted.

Roy Coates

stumblingblock wrote: »

As proven here, Hardybucks proposal wont work as too many clubs will take exception to their teams being regraded.

This is what I would propose to freshen up the championship structures in the county.


That's a little bit disingenuous, what that particular poster was pulled up on were comments in their initial post, where a number of clubs were casually dismissed as not really being of "senior standard".

Anyway that's another argument. The proposals you've put forward are pretty much bang on to where I'd like to see the championships go, with the exception of the 2 up 2 down in intermediate.
Any chance you could have your club submit it as a motion to the next convention?

KevIRL

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danganabu

Gardner wrote: »

Quite simple in my opinion

Senior stays as is. 2 groups of 6.
Top 2 teams straight into semi. 2 and 3rd into quarter final. Bottom 2 in each group relegated to intermediate. (you have 5 games to prove your senior hurling status otherwise bye bye)

Intermediate 2 groups in all county championship. (upto 8 to 9 games in league)
Top 2 teams straight into semi. 2 and 3rd into quarter final. Bottom 2 in each group relegated to Junior. Winners of intermediate final go onto Munster club but both teams in final are already promoted.

Relegating 33% of your senior teams in one year seems like overkill?

blue note

It's a pity clubs get so hung up with being senior, irrespective of what that means. If you regraded a bit and ended up with fewer senior and intermediate teams the standard of both divisions would be up. And if you are good enough to get to senior you can get promoted. If you're not you're playing in the right division.

Sure we could call everyone senior if it makes people feel better. I play Junior F in Dublin. You could call it Senior Z if you want, but it'll be the same teams and players.

OEP

Do the results so far this year not prove the the championship is perfect with 12 teams in senior? Mt. Sion are supposedly a top team but have lost 2 games. De la Salle lost to Abbeyside and drew with Tallow but then beat Ballygunner. Tallow are sitting top of their group yet people here would have the relegated in a flash if the number of teams was to be reduced. Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Abbeyside beaten everyone at least once in the last few years? But they're not good enough according to some. Of course there are going to be a few hammerings by what harm, that happens in every league in every sport.

Intermediate and Junior on the other hand need restructuring.

MUFC91CS

blue note wrote: »

It's a pity clubs get so hung up with being senior, irrespective of what that means. If you regraded a bit and ended up with fewer senior and intermediate teams the standard of both divisions would be up. And if you are good enough to get to senior you can get promoted. If you're not you're playing in the right division.

Sure we could call everyone senior if it makes people feel better. I play Junior F in Dublin. You could call it Senior Z if you want, but it'll be the same teams and players.

By that logic you could just keep diluting every competition until you have the best three or four teams playing each other on a round robin basis all the time.

Roy Coates

blue note wrote: »

It's a pity clubs get so hung up with being senior, irrespective of what that means. If you regraded a bit and ended up with fewer senior and intermediate teams the standard of both divisions would be up. And if you are good enough to get to senior you can get promoted. If you're not you're playing in the right division.

Sure we could call everyone senior if it makes people feel better. I play Junior F in Dublin. You could call it Senior Z if you want, but it'll be the same teams and players.

I don't get this remark, what do you mean "clubs are hung up about being senior"? Each and every club has worked bloody hard and has earned the right to be there.
Waterford will play in Division 1A next year. Are you telling me it wouldn’t bother you if some lad from another county said to you we weren’t really a top side and our real level is Division 1B?

Would arguing the point with them imply you were hung up on being a Division 1A side?

Psychedelic

From the Munster GAA website:

Tickets for this game will go on sale from 10am on Friday June 26th while stocks last at Centra and Supervalu outlets and via tickets.ie. Tickets will also be allocated to the participating County Boards.

Covered Stand: €35
Covered Stand Juvenile: €5
Uncovered Stand Adult: €30
Uncovered Stand Juvenile: €5
Adult Terrace: €25
Juvenile Terrace: €5
(Tipperary are allocated the Killinan End terrace, Waterford will be in the Town End Terrace)

http://munster.gaa.ie/ticketing-store-locator/
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deiseach

Psychedelic wrote: »

(Tipperary are allocated the Killinan End terrace, Waterford will be in the Town End Terrace)

Our price for playing the game in Thurles should have been to have our fans in the Killinan End. We'd soon see how irrelevant those kind of things are.

PTH2009

Got 4 tickets for row gg for section 208 off tickets.ie dis morning.

Advice to anyone don't take tickets in the last few rows of section 206 esp the outside ones as you will have an obstructed view because of the commentators box

Feels great to be getting tickets for a Munster final instead of tickets for a qualifier down in wexford park or somewhere else

danganabu

deiseach wrote: »

Our price for playing the game in Thurles should have been to have our fans in the Killinan End. We'd soon see how irrelevant those kind of things are.

Indeed such a thing could have a huge bearing on the outcome :rolleyes:

Whiplash85

deiseach wrote: »

Our price for playing the game in Thurles should have been to have our fans in the Killinan End. We'd soon see how irrelevant those kind of things are.

Yea Waterfords few hundred fans (i.e. Friends, Family and relations of the players) should have been given the Killinan end.

PTH2009

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yea Waterfords few hundred fans (i.e. Friends, Family and relations of the players) should have been given the Killinan end.

So tipp and limerick/cork( whoever wins the other minor semi final ) supporters have the rest of the stadium to pick from lol

Sure the Waterford support is so small they can fit it all in one big bus or at a stretch 2 buses lol

Seriously I think they will be a huge Waterford support there on the 12th July pity the minors lost out this year

Whiplash85

PTH2009 wrote: »

So tipp and limerick/cork( whoever wins the other minor semi final ) supporters have the rest of the stadium to pick from lol

Sure the Waterford support is so small they can fit it all in one big bus or at a stretch 2 buses lol

Seriously I think they will be a huge Waterford support there on the 12th July pity the minors lost out this year

Ah no maybe 5 or 6 buses haha. I thought after the League final victory and buoyed by underage success in recent years that there would be a big Waterford attendance in Thurles for the semi final against Cork but apparently ye were out numbered 10 to 1. But hopefully there will be a good atmosphere on the day of the Munster Final.

I love Tipp and Cork Munster finals because there is great craic and respect amongst the supporters. Its the best derby/occasion (call it what you want) in Irish Sport bar none. Hopefully they get stronger and our glorious rivalry can be restored.

JeffKenna

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Ah no maybe 5 or 6 buses haha. I thought after the League final victory and buoyed by underage success in recent years that there would be a big Waterford attendance in Thurles for the semi final against Cork but apparently ye were out numbered 10 to 1. But hopefully there will be a good atmosphere on the day of the Munster Final.

I love Tipp and Cork Munster finals because there is great craic and respect amongst the supporters. Its the best derby/occasion (call it what you want) in Irish Sport bar none. Hopefully they get stronger and our glorious rivalry can be restored.

You sound like a right eejit Whiplash.

danganabu

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deiseach

danganabu wrote: »

Indeed such a thing could have a huge bearing on the outcome :rolleyes:

Probably not. But they'd have gone batsh1t crazy in Tipp at the suggestion, which would be worth it in itself.

stumblingblock

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Ah no maybe 5 or 6 buses haha. I thought after the League final victory and buoyed by underage success in recent years that there would be a big Waterford attendance in Thurles for the semi final against Cork but apparently ye were out numbered 10 to 1. But hopefully there will be a good atmosphere on the day of the Munster Final.

I love Tipp and Cork Munster finals because there is great craic and respect amongst the supporters. Its the best derby/occasion (call it what you want) in Irish Sport bar none. Hopefully they get stronger and our glorious rivalry can be restored.

Craic and mutual respect is something id always associate with the Cork supporters but jesus christ not Tipp

skaface

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yea Waterfords few hundred fans (i.e. Friends, Family and relations of the players) should have been given the Killinan end.

Don't worry boy, there will be thousands of us in Thurles on 12th July..

Alf Tupper

stumblingblock wrote: »

Craic and mutual respect is something id always associate with the Cork supporters but jesus christ not Tipp

Tipp, bad winners, even worse losers!

The biggest whiners, whingers and excuse makers ever.

The whole hurling world knows that!!

Credit to Cork and Kilkenny, whatever people may say about them, they acknowledge when they are beaten that it's by a better team.

That level of sportsmanship is beyond Tipp. They hate anybody winning anything at their expense!

Pitiful and spiteful!

Whiplash85

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Tipp, bad winners, even worse losers!

The biggest whiners, whingers and excuse makers ever.

The whole hurling world knows that!!

Credit to Cork and Kilkenny, whatever people may say about them, they acknowledge when they are beaten that it's by a better team.

That level of sportsmanship is beyond Tipp. They hate anybody winning anything at their expense!

Pitiful and spiteful!

Thats a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one. What are you basing this on. Im sure if you asked most Tipp supporters they would have Waterford as their favourite second team.

Whiplash85

skaface wrote: »

Don't worry boy, there will be thousands of us in Thurles on 12th July..

Hopefully. I'd like to see a full house or as near as possible to full capacity that you'd see at a traditional munster final. It has the potential for game of the year. The championship has yet to catch fire this year and hopefully this will spark it.

mickotallow

Can anyone tell me if WLR FM did any report this week on the Senior Hurling Championship? I now live in Cork so don't get to see as many matches as I used to. Just tend to come home to watch Tallow play. However I tuned into Gaelic Ground last night to get a rundown of Round 3 which was played last weekend. Or so I thought. The programme started at 6.15 and the first 15 mins were about the Munster Final being played in Thurles. Included in this 15 mins was a brief piece on the Mt.Sion v Dungarvan game and whether the CCCC had made any comment yet. Have no problem with that. The Munster Final is something we are all looking forward to and a topic that everyone is talking about. The next 20 mins then were given to a piece about the late Jimmy Doyle of TIPPERARY. Now I have nothing against a commentary piece being done about the passing of a true hurling great but come on 20 mins on a Waterford radio station about a man from Tipperary and not a single minute about the Senior Hurling championship which had thrown up plenty of talking points. I may be the only one this annoys but I find it incredible that WLR think a commentary piece on a man from another county was more important than discussing our own championship.
Now just to balance it out the last 10 mins I listened to were devoted to Shane Briggs, a man who has given terrific service to Waterford football over the last 15 years and thoroughly deserving of having the chance to discuss his Waterford career.

danganabu

deiseach wrote: »

Probably not. But they'd have gone batsh1t crazy in Tipp at the suggestion, which would be worth it in itself.

We gave it to ye in 2009 and there was no complaints, didn't affect the result either

danganabu

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Tipp, bad winners, even worse losers!

The biggest whiners, whingers and excuse makers ever.

The whole hurling world knows that!!

Credit to Cork and Kilkenny, whatever people may say about them, they acknowledge when they are beaten that it's by a better team.

That level of sportsmanship is beyond Tipp. They hate anybody winning anything at their expense!

Pitiful and spiteful!

I would like to think the irony of this post is not lost on you, but somehow I suspect it is :rolleyes:

dirtyden

danganabu wrote: »

I would like to think the irony of this post is not lost on you, but somehow I suspect it is :rolleyes:

Agreed, you would like to think that post was tongue in cheek looking for a rise. At least I hope so as if its not its deluded in the extreme.

SkipFC

Have three terrace tickets for sale for the Munster final. They were bought by mistake by someone who wouldn't be able to stand for the whole game. Face value of course. Hope the mods don't remove this as I wouldn't consider it advertising, just asking for a favour from my fellow Waterfordians

mickotallow

And now Billy Nolan is injured and will miss the Clare game. Jordan Henley from Tallow has been called up. He was sub keeper for the minors last year.

Deise_2012

mickotallow wrote: »

And now Billy Nolan is injured and will miss the Clare game. Jordan Henley from Tallow has been called up. He was sub keeper for the minors last year.

Was there a henley from Tallow that played outfield for the minors this year?

mickotallow

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Was there a henley from Tallow that played outfield for the minors this year?

Same lad.

Deise_2012

mickotallow wrote: »

Same lad.

Cheers. How bad is Billy Nolans injury?

mickotallow

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Cheers. How bad is Billy Nolans injury?

Don't know for sure but heard he's out for anything up to 8 weeks with collarbone injury. Not sure how accurate my info is though

archieknox

For one reason or another we have lost 2 top class keepers at u21 and that's a shame. The third choice keeper I believe had left the panel before the 2 lads had become unavailable and now is currently injured so we are in a right fix. Gavin Power our successful minor keeper hasn't played in goal since and is currently part of the Dungarvan squad as an outfield player. If you remember back to 2 years ago Gavin was only a makeshift keeper aswell as we hadn't a strong candidate for the position that year either. Does anyone know what Jordan Henley is like in this position? I haven't seen him playing there so I can't comment but I have seen him playing outfield and is definitely a talent,whether he could produce that in goal is another thing. I think Kieran Power has made himself unavailable due to lack of game time and is concentrating on playing for Dungarvan. That is to be confirmed though so maybe he's had a change of heart.

Twiceasnice97

Cake Man wrote: »

It won't be anyway easy, there's no such thing as a bad Cork side given the pick and resources they have, let alone the history they have and playing in their own back yard.

:rolleyes:

Twiceasnice97

TyrionPower wrote: »

i have been saying it the last few days, you are dead right..
It's amazing how so many people here are experts on cork U21 hurling - they must have seen them play heaps of games... I will have to reserve judgement and my opinion on them until I see them in the flesh tonight

:rolleyes:

Twiceasnice97

PTH2009 wrote: »

We want Clare to win there 1st round senior qualifer because that means they will be playing the 2nd round on the 11th july

irrelevant to the clare under 21s.

only one certain starter on the senior team shane o donnell.
Bobby Duggan and Conor Cleary are marginal subs if everyone is fit.

Having said that i would be very confident that we have the players to beat waterford in Ennis.
Waterford will be deserving favourites to win considering the season they are having but clare`s under 21s have been going quite well recently especially up front.
Having said that any drop in performance or lack of work from clare players and we will not be in the running.
Waterford are not a side you can allow time on the ball to.

B250

Just on seanie barry going to america, i know he was 1st choice keeper the 2 previous years for waterford 21s and on the senior panel with 2 years also..how he wasnt starting this year is a joke and really pushed him to going to america..

archieknox

Any account of our challenge game against Dublin recently for the seniors?

Sliabh gCua1

danganabu wrote: »

Relegating 33% of your senior teams in one year seems like overkill?

Limerick cut numbers from 16 to 12 at the end of 2013.

Alf Tupper

archieknox wrote: »

Any account of our challenge game against Dublin recently for the seniors?

Was talking to a few of the players and seemingly we didn't go well at all.

But sure you know yourself, most of these challenges are meaningless with lads watching themselves and whatever.

PTH2009

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Was talking to a few of the players and seemingly we didn't go well at all.

But sure you know yourself, most of these challenges are meaningless with lads watching themselves and whatever.

i knew it would all implode in the camp, we will be out of the championship by the end of july suffering heavy defeats in the munster final and the all ireland quarter final lol only messing. Dublin prob had a strong team out due to playing in the qualifers the weekend. Sure we lost to limerick in a challenge a while back and still won when it mattered

stumblingblock

archieknox wrote: »

I think Kieran Power has made himself unavailable due to lack of game time and is concentrating on playing for Dungarvan. That is to be confirmed though so maybe he's had a change of heart.

That’s a shame if true. Ive heard there is quite a bit of discontent with the managers decision to bring in a couple of this years minors straight onto the team. A big call by management starting 2 minors in an u21 championship game. Not like this year’s minors set the world alight or that we are badly stuck for strength in depth at u21 level. Im not sure about Lyons abilities as a manager but in fairness the result in Cork was good whatever way you want to look at it. But there’s definitely no excuse for being stuck without a recognised keeper especially given the amount of challenge games played and number of players that were tried throughout the year. If this group of players dosent get a win up in Ennis then serious questions need to be answered again. We beat Clare the last 3 years in a row at minor and while it will be tough test we should be winning this game realistically. It’s a good idea having Mullane and Tony on board but the buck will ultimately have to stop with the manager.

Correction, weve beat Clare 4 times in the previous 3 years at minor.