Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

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deiseach wrote: »

Here's a list commensense prepared earlier

thats very nice and dignified. I'd expect a Zidane styled headbutt for those..

deiseach

Mountainlad wrote: »

This is just getting bizarre now.

It sure is. I can see an easy future for referees if those criticising Maurice get their way. If a ref sees a player's lips move - yellow card.

Mountainlad

deiseach wrote: »

It sure is. I can see an easy future for referees if those criticising Maurice get their way. If a ref sees a player's lips move - yellow card.

Basically leave James Owens referee all the matches

culbaire

lawred2 wrote: »

he's bang on...

How did he make an eejit of himseld?

Brennan made a proper eejit of himself. If you cant see the FULL IMPLICATIONS of the meaning of Brennan's tweet, go back and read it a few times. By the way He FAILED to commenton the the verbals from some Dublin players as Shanahan stepped up to take frees. Was that unsporting? Will be interesting to watch in future to see will Brennan criticise Kilkenny players.

sid wallace

http://www.the42.ie/liam-rushe-yellow-card-pa-horgan-1037714-Aug2013/

deiseach

culbaire wrote: »

Brennan made a proper eejit of himself. If you cant see the FULL IMPLICATIONS of the meaning of Brennan's tweet, go back and read it a few times. By the way He FAILED to comment at the the verbals from some Dublin players as Shanahan stepped up to take frees. Was that unsporting? Will be interesting to watch in future to see will Brennan criticise Kilkenny players.

I'm reminded of a comment made on the old An Fear Rua website by a person unknown when faced with the ability of 'Stubborn Nore', a columnist on said site (now writing occasional columns in the print media) to explain the difference between Kilkenny's playing-on-the-edge and everyone else's filth. Something along the lines of "it's okay when done by the descendant of sturdy Norman yeomanry".

JeffKenna

culbaire wrote: »

Brennan made a proper eejit of himself. If you cant see the FULL IMPLICATIONS of the meaning of Brennan's tweet, go back and read it a few times. By the way He FAILED to comment at the the verbals from some Dublin players as Shanahan stepped up to take frees. Was that unsporting? Will be interesting to watch in future to see will Brennan criticise Kilkenny players.

Brennan is hardly the most neutral analyst. Remember his go at Barry Kelly after last years All Ireland Final. Used his position on the Sunday game to try and influence the referee in the replay. Same is happening with Maurice now. The best thing we could all do is not get dragged into debates like this. Focus on KK in two weeks because there're most definitely focusing on us.

Mahogany Gaspipe

Regardless of the foul blow from Rushe, I thought it was embarrassing that a senior county hurler, a leading player in what it held as one of the toughest field sport in the world fell to the ground like wet paper bag.

redlead

Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »

Regardless of the foul blow from Rushe, I thought it was embarrassing that a senior county hurler, a leading player in what it held as one of the toughest field sport in the world fell to the ground like wet paper bag.

you should try getting hit in the head with a Hurley from a lad the size of Rushe and see how you get on.

Horseboxhead

I think Mr. Eddie "holier than thou, and twice as cute" Brennan, has achieved exactly what he set out to achieve, look at the last 3 pages of this thread, and yesterday, a Waterford team, qualified for an All Ireland semi final Game v afformentioned cutearse's beloved county, and all everyone is talking about on here or on Line is how Waterfords most dangerous Attacking and scoring threat , is a right twisted individual, who purposely provoked the poor little three times sent off for very similer events, Dublin Innocent, into Slapping out with his hurl, as his ears were bleeding , and he could not take it any more, I'm so so sorry[again], but he made me do it with his nasty words, i'm just not used to that sort of thing, ha ha ha , get a grip, No body here can Know what was said, but everyone here has an Opinion, yet the only thing we can all be confident about, is Maurice got punched [article 1] Kneed[article 2] and Slapped with a hurley in the face [i know he had a guard up], so any more tlk on this is just tramps running with Fr Eddie holier than thou's agenda, **** it, bigger fish to fry, Some Game by Maurice, and if anyone think Dublin were shy on the verbal's should have been pitch side, Dublin for ****'s sake , its an art.

deiseach

Horseboxhead wrote: »

I think Mr. Eddie "holier than thou, and twice as cute" Brennan, has achieved exactly what he set out to achieve, look at the last 3 pages of this thread, and yesterday, a Waterford team, qualified for an All Ireland semi final Game v afformentioned cutearse's beloved county, and all everyone is talking about on here or on Line is how Waterfords most dangerous Attacking and scoring threat , is a right twisted individual, who purposely provoked the poor little three times sent off for very similer events, Dublin Innocent, into Slapping out with his hurl, as his ears were bleeding , and he could not take it any more, I'm so so sorry[again], but he made me do it with his nasty words, i'm just not used to that sort of thing, ha ha ha , get a grip, No body here can Know what was said, but everyone here has an Opinion, yet the only thing we can all be confident about, is Maurice got punched [article 1] Kneed[article 2] and Slapped with a hurley in the face [i know he had a guard up], so any more tlk on this is just tramps running with Fr Eddie holier than thou's agenda, **** it, bigger fish to fry, Some Game by Maurice, and if anyone think Dublin were shy on the verbal's should have been pitch side, Dublin for ****'s sake , its an art.

I don't think he is that devious. Follow the replies and you can see he was badly floundering. It's like how Tadhg Kennelly thought he was being a right cute hoor by fessing up to clobbering Nicholas Murphy in the 2009 All-Ireland final. Then when he realised people didn't take too kindly to such thuggery he started walking it back. In a similar vein, the penny dropped with Brennan pretty quickly that he was going to have to label everyone who engages in sledging - "nothing worse" than it when combined with losing, apparently - as being unsporting. When Tomás Mul gives you a clip in the ear, you know you've screwed up.

Mahogany Gaspipe

redlead wrote: »

you should try getting hit in the head with a Hurley from a lad the size of Rushe and see how you get on.

It was a sending off offence, I have no trouble with that. But it wasn't anything forceful enough to deserve the way Shanahan collapsed to the ground.

It looked like a glancing blow there was little force behind it to my eyes. Rushe was right to be shown the line and I'm not condoning the action; but I'd be embarrassed looking at that replay if I was Maurice. If that's all that it takes to put him on the ground I wouldn't hold out much hope of Waterford lifting the McCarty cup.

deiseach

redlead wrote: »

you should try getting hit in the head with a Hurley from a lad the size of Rushe and see how you get on.

Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »

It was a sending off offence, I have no trouble with that. But it wasn't anything forceful enough to deserve the way Shanahan collapsed to the ground.

It looked like a glancing blow there was little force behind it to my eyes. Rushe was right to be shown the line and I'm not condoning the action; but I'd be embarrassed looking at that replay if I was Maurice. If that's all that it takes to put him on the ground I wouldn't hold out much hope of Waterford lifting the McCarty cup.

I don't know what post you are replying to, but it wasn't the one by redlead.

Edit: the more I think about it, the idea that our chances of winning the All-Ireland are contingent on a player staying on his feet when he gets slapped in the face with a hurley . . . Mountainlad is right, we're in the fecking Twilight Zone at this stage.

Mahogany Gaspipe

deiseach wrote: »

I don't know what post you are replying to, but it wasn't the one by redlead.

It was, hence why I quoted it.

Dick phelan

Yeah because KK have never goaded anyone! While i wish Maurice didn't act like that in fairness to him Dublin players were at it when he was taking the frees.

deiseach

Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »

It was, hence why I quoted it.

It isn't, because you make no reference to all those times you've been hit in the head with a hurley by someone the size of Liam Rushe.

danganabu

Dick phelan wrote: »

Yeah because KK have never goaded anyone! While i wish Maurice didn't act like that in fairness to him Dublin players were at it when he was taking the frees.

According to a few here he was, I was at the game and saw no such instances and have seen the TV coverage, absolutely no sign of any verbals towards Shanahan, someone claimed here that Ryan O'Dwyer and Danny Suttcliffe were at it, the two were never even in teh sdame half of the field as him ffs.

3ships

Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »

It was a sending off offence, I have no trouble with that. But it wasn't anything forceful enough to deserve the way Shanahan collapsed to the ground.

It looked like a glancing blow there was little force behind it to my eyes. Rushe was right to be shown the line and I'm not condoning the action; but I'd be embarrassed looking at that replay if I was Maurice. If that's all that it takes to put him on the ground I wouldn't hold out much hope of Waterford lifting the McCarty cup.

2 months away from winning Celtic Cross I give you John Gardiner


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aooeBlLQfhA

Road-Hog

sid wallace wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/liam-rushe-yellow-card-pa-horgan-1037714-Aug2013/

Hey sid any chance you will be 'penning/keying' some prose on the deise a la your an fear rua days. You made a few cameos last year but 'rud ar bit' an blian seo??

enoughtaken

deiseach wrote: »

I don't know what post you are replying to, but it wasn't the one by redlead.

Edit: the more I think about it, the idea that our chances of winning the All-Ireland are contingent on a player staying on his feet when he gets slapped in the face with a hurley . . . Mountainlad is right, we're in the fecking Twilight Zone at this stage.

Lads. Can we stop all is bullsh-- talk. Our team are in a semi final. Against the best team in the country for the last 10 or more years.

Ropaire

<SNIP>
Any update on Connors, is he the only injury we've got after yesterday?
Richie Power, Tyrrell and Mick Fennelly look like doubts for Kilkenny, which are big losses if any/all are not fit in time. Its a massive ask for us to beat them, this year has seen brilliant progress made so far regardless of if we win lose or draw. Bookies are giving us no chance and doubt anyone else will either. I'd be hoping for a belter of a game that we're competitive in as it'll stand to the younger players in the long term, we'll see how our system stands up to the ultimate acid test as well as you can be sure Cody has a few ideas on how to tackle it. Hopefully we pull off an upset, with the way we're playing you'd never know how it'll pan out. Can't wait for a week Sunday to roll around!

enoughtaken

enoughtaken wrote: »

Lads. Can we stop all is bullsh-- talk. Our team are in a semi final. Against the best team in the country for the last 10 or more years.

Sorry sent last post without finishing. What a fantastic management team and bunch of players we have. And yes I was critical 6 months ago. But let us all get behind Derek and the Biys and ugnire these posters who come on here just to stir things. Some team for next day for me. Roll on the 9th and The Deise.
Sorry Boys and ignore and same before I'm pulled on my spelling. Probably other mistakes also. Hard to type on these phones and have a pint at the same time.

culbaire

deiseach wrote: »

I'm reminded of a comment made on the old An Fear Rua website by a person unknown when faced with the ability of 'Stubborn Nore', a columnist on said site (now writing occasional columns in the print media) to explain the difference between Kilkenny's playing-on-the-edge and everyone else's filth. Something along the lines of "it's okay when done by the descendant of sturdy Norman yeomanry".

Nice one!! Hopefully we can knock the smile off Eddie's face in two weeks time. Would love to see his face if the Cats were beaten. It seems from what I hear that he was even whinging about boundary extensions which might lead to Waterford grabbing a few Cats players. The meows are red hot favourites. Nice to be going in as underdogs. The Cats supporters don't rate Waterford. Today they were talking about who their opponents would be in the final.

deiseach

I've zipped through the game from start to finish on Sky+ for the purposes of my blog and can find three instances of Maurice giving verbals or whatnot to Liam Rushe. Not once did he do it with anyone else. On two of those occasions Rushe gave as good as he got, including the bit which ended with him slapping Maurice in the head with his hurley.<SNIP>

fed up sick and tired

deiseach wrote: »

Edit: the more I think about it, the idea that our chances of winning the All-Ireland are contingent on a player staying on his feet when he gets slapped in the face with a hurley.

Well you won't win one by rolling around around theatrically like a Premiership diva, for certain.

For contrast, see T. Walsh ( 9 All Ireland's,9 All Stars) v B. Dunne, All Ireland Final 2009, about 54 mins in

deiseach

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Well you won't win one by rolling around around theatrically like a Premiership diva, for certain.

As 3ships pointed out, you are wrong. Try to keep up.

hurler on de ditch

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

We obviously have different understandings of the word condone. To be clear for you: I am not excusing, pardoning, over looking, forgiving or even approving of Rushe's behaviour.

You seem to be intent of shutting down any highlighting of Shanahan's behaviour by throwing accusations of condoning Rushe's strike around. As uncomfortable as it may be for you, Shanahan had a big role in the sending off of Rushe and his behaviour was unsporting

Rushe had thee biggest role in Rushe's sending off ,,dirty tramp

hurler on de ditch

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Well you won't win one by rolling around around theatrically like a Premiership diva, for certain.

For contrast, see T. Walsh ( 9 All Ireland's,9 All Stars) v B. Dunne, All Ireland Final 2009, about 54 mins in

Tommy Walsh hit everyone in the game ,even split a referee open ,snake on the outside of a melee and hit the ref ,

STIG83

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Tommy Walsh hit everyone in the game ,even split a referee open ,snake on the outside of a melee and hit the ref ,

Was it not the 2011 final he spilt the ref open? I had landed in Oz watching it and seeing that.

robopaddy2

Rushe has anger management issues, while Maurice on the other hand is more of a school playground bully, 2 fairly complex characters came head to head on Sunday. Maurice got a slap of a hurl while Rushe I feel will get a slap of a fairly hefty suspension. Hopefully both lads will learn from their respective punishments! A lot has been made of it but time to move on.

HatchetMan7

Good win by the players and management on Sunday. Looking at the game again and you could see numerous occasions where there were goal chances on and we didn't take them. There was at least 2/3 chances in the first half and the player in possession didn't look up. The first thought of a good forward when he wins possession should be to pass the ball not shoot. Obviously you can't be overly critical as some of these players are still very young and they did seem to rectify this to some degree in the 2nd half, but at the same time if Waterford have any thoughts of beating Kilkenny they'll need to take the few goal chances that come their way.
The biggest advantage that Kilkenny have over Waterford and most teams for that matter is their forwards aerial winning ability. That would be my biggest worry going into the semi final. Its vital that Waterford forwards put the Kilkenny backs under as much pressure as possible when the Kilkenny backs are trying to clear the ball. Waterfords discipline too has been very good this year usually only giving away a free as a last resort. The bookies have Kilkenny at 1/3 and Waterford 3/1 which is probably fair enough given their recent history. Its going to take a herculean like effort from Waterford to make it to the final but its not beyond the bounds of possibility.

HillFarmer

Ok, lets look forward to the Kilkenny match.
Below is their team that played in the Leinster final along with the scorers.

E Murphy;

P Murphy, J Holden, J Tyrrell;

P Walsh, K Joyce, C Buckley;

C Fogarty (0-01), W Walsh (0-02);

R Hogan (0-04), J Power, C Fennelly (0-02);

G Aylward (0-03), TJ Reid (1-09), E Larkin (0-04).


So if you were Derek Mcgrath what chinks / vunrabilities do you see to exploit? If our system can nullify 2 out of Hogan, Larkin and Reid I think we have a chance.

Would love to here people views.
Will Kilkenny employ the same tactic as Dublin and push a person forward on the sweeper?

If tyrell is out then the only experience in that full back line is Murphy, Holden is a new Fullback.

Will watch the Leinster final later

blueflame

Me thinks biggest culprit in Shanahan / Rushe affair is Eddie Brennan. The only two that really know what went on and what was said over the the entire game was Shanahan and Rushe, other than these two, everything else is pure speculation and heresay. While other commentators just made passing comment, spotlessly clean Eddie has decided to stick his oar in and tweet about it and turn it into a full blown debate. One has to suspect that there is either a bitterness or an ulterior motive to his comments. A superstar like Eddie from the kings of hurling with all those medals, could hardly have reason to be bitter against such lowly cannon fodder as Waterford , so the conspiracy theorist in me opts for "ulterior motive". Could Eddie be just a little bit nervous about the threat posed by Waterford and is seeking to "upset the apple cart" - time to draw a line under it lads and get back to real business at hand.

Mountainlad

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Well you won't win one by rolling around around theatrically like a Premiership diva, for certain.

For contrast, see T. Walsh ( 9 All Ireland's,9 All Stars) v B. Dunne, All Ireland Final 2009, about 54 mins in

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6P0DYa7zu8

How many all Ireland's did Cha win again?

cornerboy

Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »

Look the point that is Maurice Shanahan reaction to the incident was a tad dramatic.

Certainly it was unacceptable for Rushe to rise the hurl to another player head. However, there is simply no way that there was enough force behind that strike to cause Maurice to trip over; let alone collapse as if Mike Tyson strike him.

Anyway, I've my fingers crossed for a Waterford vs. Galway final. Tipp and Kilkenny have between them 59 All Ireland's more than Waterford and Galway do.

Maybe it wasn't the belt of the hurley across the head that got him......maybe it was the kick across the back of the legs just before it. If you think that any player from any county is going to stay on their feet having been kicked and then hit across the head......you're not of this planet.

hardybuck

This is all a bit silly.

Waterford are preparing for a huge test in a semi final in a couple of weeks against the favourites to win the competition.

Maurice Shanahan probably gave himself a good shot at an All Star following another strong performance, probably his best of the year to date.

Dublin will go back to the drawing board with a lot of work to do but with some cause for optimism following probably a better performance than they were expecting.

We should all be moving on.

deiseach

cornerboy wrote: »

Maybe it wasn't the belt of the hurley across the head that got him......maybe it was the kick across the back of the legs just before it. If you think that any player from any county is going to stay on their feet having been kicked and then hit across the head......you're not of this planet.

If only they knew they'd win All-Ireland medals by staying on their feet.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

Waterford are preparing for a huge test in a semi final in a couple of weeks against the favourites to win the competition.

I'd say you couldn't pass a cigarette paper between Tipperary and Kilkenny at this point. The ease with which Galway swatted aside Cork might suggest that Tipp are going to have the tougher examination in the semi-final though.

chinguetti

Good win on Sunday and great to see them come out in the second half and put a bit of a kick on to pull away from Dublin. The work rate would have to be better the next day. I was at the Leinster final and KK were only in 3rd gear and suffocated Galway in the second half once they got level. Could be a low scoring game with packed defences and a lot of long range shooting and accuracy will be a big issue.

Waterford will have to take every half goal chance they create. Players will have to raise their heads and find the free man when inside the 45. Glesson, while a great talent for one so young, will have to stop trying the amazing and stop the 100 yard shots from all angles - as will the whole team.

Brick was outstanding - the amount of times he picked up tough balls and had 2 or 3 guys around him and managed to offload to a man outside! God, we don't appreciate him enough and that's the kind of work rate the team all need to be on.

Do we have a chance against KK? Yes, but its probably a step too far this year. The longer they stay with KK, the better they might adapt to the pitch and the confidence might grow. Ideally, I'ld love them to be 2 points down with 10 to go as those 10 minutes would tell us so much about the team and how far they have to go to make it. KK's levels are what they need to aim for and whether people like it or not, KK are the standard bearers for hurling with the last 10 years.

HillFarmer

Does anyone know who if the referee is confirmed for Sunday week?

thesultan

Are our backs good enough to match Kilkenny in the air?

hardybuck

thesultan wrote: »

Are our backs good enough to match Kilkenny in the air?

The two biggest concerns are TJ Reid and Hogan obviously.

How to play Hogan will be interesting. De Burca likes to drop deep and provide cover, which would be meat and drink to Hogan as he likes to come short and get on breaking ball around midfield. You saw the damage a relatively ordinary player in Ryan O'Dwyer caused the last day doing that. The answer might be to try and take out that space around the middle third.

You also saw the likes of Suthcliffe winning a decent bit of ball in the air, so they better have a plan for Reid as he'll be more dangerous again.

Dick phelan

A big concern is that we have not put together a full 70 min display, Against Cork we were off the pace for the first 20 minutes and were lucky to go in at half time in front, Against Tipp again in the first half we were 6-2 behind in the first 15 minutes. Yesterday again the first half display was below par, If we play like that against KK the game would have been over at half time the same can be said for the Cork game. It is absolutely vital we start well, with so many young lads playing their first senior game in Croker if we fall 5-6 points behind we might never get back.

galwaylad14

hardybuck wrote: »

The two biggest concerns are TJ Reid and Hogan obviously.

How to play Hogan will be interesting. De Burca likes to drop deep and provide cover, which would be meat and drink to Hogan as he likes to come short and get on breaking ball around midfield. You saw the damage a relatively ordinary player in Ryan O'Dwyer caused the last day doing that. The answer might be to try and take out that space around the middle third.

You also saw the likes of Suthcliffe winning a decent bit of ball in the air, so they better have a plan for Reid as he'll be more dangerous again.

Think ye'll probably have to play with effectively 2 centre backs to combat that exact issue. De Burca to sit deep and sweep and someone else just o man mark Hogan.

Hogan dropping deep killed us in the second half of the Leinster final I thought. He played a more traditional centre forward role in the first half and Daithi Burke managed him fairly well but when he went floating in the second half neither of our midfielders seemed keen to pick him up and he picked off a couple of scores and dictated the play from out there.

PTH2009

Are they going to open the upper tiers for the semi final ???. I remember for the 2011 semi final they didnt open them but for the last few years they were open. I much perfer the upper tier.

why do they only have a rebate for Cusack/Davin stand ticket holders whats so special about the hogan stand ???.

tickets online at the moment are crap so going to wait a while to get them

Dick phelan

Are the tickets only being sold online at the moment? Had a look there and the tickets online at the moment are poor.

PTH2009

Dick phelan wrote: »

Are the tickets only being sold online at the moment? Had a look there and the tickets online at the moment are poor.

on sale from Tickets.ie and Ticketmaster really poor tickets going to wait til they open the upper cusack

remember for the minor semi final (limerick vs Kilkenny senior) last year they started to sell upper cusack tickets about 10 days before the match online

tomwaterford

thesultan wrote: »

Are our backs good enough to match Kilkenny in the air?

Imho...they should be
Possible scrafice Moran/glee son to man mark Richie hogan (possibly Moran!)


Though I fear the game is 2or3 years too early....though I don't see that as a reason not to give it a right crack at kk



Can't see Maurice shanahan getting so much room the next day....a second ball winner may be required in the forwards??
Though dunford should do better in Croke park and should perhaps try run straighter to goal and relax a bit before shooting

redlead

tomwaterford wrote: »

Imho...they should be
Possible scrafice Moran/glee son to man mark Richie hogan (possibly Moran!)


Though I fear the game is 2or3 years too early....though I don't see that as a reason not to give it a right crack at kk



Can't see Maurice shanahan getting so much room the next day....a second ball winner may be required in the forwards??
Though dunford should do better in Croke park and should perhaps try run straighter to goal and relax a bit before shooting

Neither Moran or Gleeson strike me as man markers. We can't afford to sacrifice them to a man marking job either. With Fives in the team now we really need Gleesons class closer to the forwards like on Sunday to help us get scores from play. Bennett had his best game in Waterford jersey so far so I really hope we get him as close to the goal as possible.

I'd be inclined to just go out and play more of the same and hope the system takes care of their attack. It hasn't really failed us yet. We just need to make sure our accuracy is a lot better than it was against Tipp.

tomwaterford

Taught Moran with his past in defence could be up to it...but in hindsight we'll need someone with pace....could dunford be up to it