Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

JesusRef

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Interview with shiner ahearne on the examiner today about the relegation final tomorrow & he says DLS have just been 'a little unlucky' and 'maybe it just hasnt been their year year this year'. Christ what a waste of paper and ink he must have splinters on his arse from sitting on the fence. It like a throwback to the insufferable yes-man mentality from the 80s and 90s that was part and parcel of waterford hurling

In fairness at the end of the article he tipped DLS, FMW and Ballyduff to win their games so he did get off the fence eventually

robopaddy2

JesusRef wrote: »

In fairness at the end of the article he tipped DLS, FMW and Ballyduff to win their games so he did get off the fence eventually

But he was never going to criticise DLS due to the amount of past and present 'county stars' they have, he was too afraid to upset the applecart. Maybe he still has his sights set on getting back into county management. Instead of saying it as it is that that DLS just havent done it and deserve to be where they are he went about making excuses for them and this 'unlucky' nonsense

debok

robopaddy2 wrote: »

But he was never going to criticise DLS due to the amount of past and present 'county stars' they have, he was too afraid to upset the applecart. Maybe he still has his sights set on getting back into county management. Instead of saying it as it is that that DLS just havent done it and deserve to be where they are he went about making excuses for them and this 'unlucky' nonsense

Or maybe he just thought they were unlucky.

robopaddy2

debok wrote: »

Or maybe he just thought they were unlucky.

Yea that must-win game when FMW hurled them off the field by 11 points was bad luck alright

archieknox

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Yea that must-win game when FMW hurled them off the field by 11 points was bad luck alright

They'll do enough today though id say. For all of Lismore's honest endeavour DLS have the far better panel to pick from. I know they haven't got it together all year bar the Ballygunner game but I think today all their differences will be put behind them and see them safe.

Mountainlad

I'd be with Paddy here. The alarms bells should be ringing when you have it all to play for on the last day and get absolutely hammered.

If you cant get motivated for that then I'd be skeptical about the mentality thAt they can just switch it on today.

pmy.murphy

Lads just wondering is the Erins Own pitch in the City closed to the public?

JeffKenna

There're good singers in fairness!

Deisegodeo

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Lads just wondering is the Erins Own pitch in the City closed to the public?

Yeah it would be I'm fairly sure. Unless there is something going on in there, the big gates beside the post office will be locked. Although I'm sure there are a few unofficial ways of getting in!

archieknox

DLS cruising at halftime 9pts up. Lismore very poor.

Mountainlad

3 in it now, 10 mins left.

mickotallow

Sad day for Lismore and sad day for the west. I take no delight in seeing Lismore getting relegated. They will find it hard to get out of the western intermediate which is the strongest division in Waterford in my opinion.

tomwaterford

mickotallow wrote: »

Sad day for Lismore and sad day for the west. I take no delight in seeing Lismore getting relegated. They will find it hard to get out of the western intermediate which is the strongest division in Waterford in my opinion.

If they play like they did in the first half...it's junior they'll be playing in 2017

culbaire

tomwaterford wrote: »

If they play like they did in the first half...it's junior they'll be playing in 2017

They are going to struggle in Intermediate. The Western IHC is probably the most competitive in Waterford. It is a sad day to see such a great club relegated.

archieknox

mickotallow wrote: »

Sad day for Lismore and sad day for the west. I take no delight in seeing Lismore getting relegated. They will find it hard to get out of the western intermediate which is the strongest division in Waterford in my opinion.

The problem is they're so short on senior standard hurlers at the moment it was going to be a struggle for the next few years for them but I thought they would have been good enough to see of Cappoquin in the first round. Take the Barry's, Maurice Shanahan the Prendergasts and that's all they have to be honest and they mightn't be enough to get them back up anytime soon. Credit must go to Dave Bennett for coming in to take over what was obviously a mess that was abandoned by the original manager so obviously things weren't all well up there earlier in the year. I would imagine there are certain teams chomping at the bit already to have a go at them next year. Definitely a sad day for a once proud club that produced and supplied alot of good hurlers to Waterford teams down through the years but they will have a long road ahead of them to get back to senior levels again.

Alf Tupper

Sad to see Lismore going down but as Robo said, maybe it's the kick in the hole that they need.

From what I hear there hasn't been any club or team spirit there for the past few years.

It seems that all they have is a bunch of cliques and loads of jealousy and infighting.
Many of us in Croke Park at the Waterford v Kilkenny game could hear the vitriol been thrown at one of their own on the pitch by two of their own management team.

It was excruciating and embarrassing stuff and not a good advertisement for the club, so it's no surprise that they are where they are.

JesusRef

A sad day for Lismore, for so long the standard bearers, particularly at underage in the west, I feel for them as they drop down intermediate - a club who have down such great work in promoting hurling and developed so many stars...

It's always darkest before the dawn and hopefully this is the springboard to launching them back up to the top table again.

Waterfors needs lismore strong, at the end of the day we are all the same it's just the colours of the jerseys are different!

culbaire

archieknox wrote: »

The problem is they're so short on senior standard hurlers at the moment it was going to be a struggle for the next few years for them but I thought they would have been good enough to see of Cappoquin in the first round. Take the Barry's, Maurice Shanahan the Prendergasts and that's all they have to be honest and they mightn't be enough to get them back up anytime soon. Credit must go to Dave Bennett for coming in to take over what was obviously a mess that was abandoned by the original manager so obviously things weren't all well up there earlier in the year. I would imagine there are certain teams chomping at the bit already to have a go at them next year. Definitely a sad day for a once proud club that produced and supplied alot of good hurlers to Waterford teams down through the years but they will have a long road ahead of them to get back to senior levels again.

Would be some fun if Lismore, Ballysaggart and Tourin were drawn in the same group next year.

robopaddy2

If they can get it together they have it in them to bounce straight back up, and for the good of Waterford hurling I hope that they do.

The first thing they need to do is get Dave Bennett locked in for another year as he is a top class guy who has the respect of the players. But who could blame him if he wanted to run a mile from it. A man who sleeps and breathes Lismore hurling, he took it on during the year when no one else would touch it so he has shown himself to be a bigger man to rise above the internal b****** that has crippled that club. But knowing how it works up there don’t be surprised to see the finger pointed at him for relegation.

They will be in for a big shock at intermediate next year if they think it will be a doddle, to have any chance of coming back up they need to realise the challenge ahead of them, and lose the superiority complex they traditionally hold over the neighbouring clubs around them. The reality is that Tallow, Ballyduff and Cappoquin are now a grade higher than them while Tourin, Ballysaggart and Shamrocks are now all in the same grade and will be gunning to take them down another peg or two. Will be interesting to see how it all shapes out for sure.

archieknox

robopaddy2 wrote: »

If they can get it together they have it in them to bounce straight back up, and for the good of Waterford hurling I hope that they do.

The first thing they need to do is get Dave Bennett locked in for another year as he is a top class guy who has the respect of the players. But who could blame him if he wanted to run a mile from it. A man who sleeps and breathes Lismore hurling, he took it on during the year when no one else would touch it so he has shown himself to be a bigger man to rise above the internal b****** that has crippled that club. But knowing how it works up there don’t be surprised to see the finger pointed at him for relegation.

They will be in for a big shock at intermediate next year if they think it will be a doddle, to have any chance of coming back up they need to realise the challenge ahead of them, and lose the superiority complex they traditionally hold over the neighbouring clubs around them. The reality is that Tallow, Ballyduff and Cappoquin are now a grade higher than them while Tourin, Ballysaggart and Shamrocks are now all in the same grade and will be gunning to take them down another peg or two. Will be interesting to see how it all shapes out for sure.

You must have heard the same stuff as the rest of us as regards to what was going on up there Paddy. I don't believe for a second Dave Bennett will be branded as the guy who brought them down,that foundation was laid for him by the coward that left them in the mire halfway through the season. Agree fully they need to keep him as there would be no hidden agendas with him only the good of the club. Yes it will make for an interesting western championship next year because for some strange reason id say Lismore will be meeting Ballysaggart or Tourin in their group. Completely by accident of course that the draw will happen that way thus bulging the gate receipts of the Western board!! Id say their superiority complex will be well diminished by then!

PTH2009

Hard luck lismore but if they click they could be strong in the west intermediate

Have relations from clashmore so I hope clashmore go on to win the western title and then the county

robopaddy2

archieknox wrote: »

You must have heard the same stuff as the rest of us as regards to what was going on up there Paddy. I don't believe for a second Dave Bennett will be branded as the guy who brought them down,that foundation was laid for him by the coward that left them in the mire halfway through the season. Agree fully they need to keep him as there would be no hidden agendas with him only the good of the club. Yes it will make for an interesting western championship next year because for some strange reason id say Lismore will be meeting Ballysaggart or Tourin in their group. Completely by accident of course that the draw will happen that way thus bulging the gate receipts of the Western board!! Id say their superiority complex will be well diminished by then!

I remember the junior championship game a few years back between Lismore’s second strings and Ballysaggart in Cappoquin, think it was a western semi final and was one of the biggest crowds Ive seen at that venue. If they meet next year there will be skin and hair flying. They might be combined at underage but theres no love lost when it comes to adult level I can assure you.

The Dickler

Looking at the big picture though it's probably the best result for Waterford hurling. Although they have their troubles there's Too much class in that DLS team to be relegated.

robopaddy2

The Dickler wrote: »

Looking at the big picture though it's probably the best result for Waterford hurling. Although they have their troubles there's Too much class in that DLS team to be relegated.

Agreed, if DLS went down they would have pulverised everythingin sight at intermediate level next year and that would benefit no one.


Lesson for them is not taking the group stages of the co SHC seriously can backfire. Previous years they kind of sauntered through it, aiming to peak as a team at the quarters/semi finals. But the overall standard has improved the last couple years, and once you lose a couple of games it can become a habit and things can fall apart pretty quick. They can count themselves lucky on this occation that they came up against a Lismore side that were in a bigger mess than themselves.

JesusRef

Lismore have two class acts in Dan and D.Bennet and u think they should beg them to take over the running of the intermediate team the next few years. Let's face it we all know that because of certain attitudes and characters in the club young players are either intimidated or just don't want to put up with it and are being turned off playing with Lismore, get the two lads involved, get rid of the poison, lismore will come again

Mountainlad

In fairness, they lost to Cappoquin who had their own problems. Everyone else hammered them. Lismore were conpetitive against nearly everyone else. So how did they lose that game?

Dunno who theyve lost to emmigration, obviously people know more than me but looking at their team I see alot if lads that were their several years ago when they were going well enough. Shane Kearney is gone I think, but other than that their best players are there. There was definitely 9 lads who were there the last time I saw them plus Jack Prendergast.

No sympathy, would people be as sympathetic if Ballyduff, Fourmilewater or Tallow were relegated? Doubt it.

deiseach

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Lads just wondering is the Erins Own pitch in the City closed to the public?

It's padlocked when not in use. If you want to case the joint, there's a great view of the pitch from the new Pill walk.

Speaking of Erins Own's pitch, my mother's family grew up just around the corner in the terrace yet her brothers both played for De La Salle. My brother recently asked one of them why he didn't play for Erins Own and found out that the club have only being using that pitch since the 1950's. I would have thought that this was incredible, that any club could be leading such a rootless existence, if it weren't for finding out a few weeks earlier from my father that Ballyduff Upper had to use his club's pitch across the border in Kilworth as recently as the 1980's when they were so successful. The past is a foreign country - they do things differently there.

robopaddy2

Mountainlad wrote: »

In fairness, they lost to Cappoquin who had their own problems. Everyone else hammered them. Lismore were conpetitive against nearly everyone else. So how did they lose that game?

Dunno who theyve lost to emmigration, obviously people know more than me but looking at their team I see alot if lads that were their several years ago when they were going well enough. Shane Kearney is gone I think, but other than that their best players are there. There was definitely 9 lads who were there the last time I saw them plus Jack Prendergast.

No sympathy, would people be as sympathetic if Ballyduff, Fourmilewater or Tallow were relegated? Doubt it.

Kearney was a big loss to them in fairness. I can also think of Shane Bennett john Heneghan and James Shanahan who emigrated in the past few years all were ex underage county players. Then you think of the older lads like dan dave growler brendan landers and that generation that were there all moved on, and losing the 2 Barrys to america this year. Still Lismore are alway a club that has a nice conveyor belt of hurlers coning through so still shouldnt be in the position theyre in. With regard to sympathy for Lismore I havent seen too much sympathy for them, more an acknowledgent that it was sad to see from a Waterford hurling perspective as they were always a club that produced good county players

hardybuck

deiseach wrote: »

It's padlocked when not in use. If you want to case the joint, there's a great view of the pitch from the new Pill walk.

Speaking of Erins Own's pitch, my mother's family grew up just around the corner in the terrace yet her brothers both played for De La Salle. My brother recently asked one of them why he didn't play for Erins Own and found out that the club have only being using that pitch since the 1950's. I would have thought that this was incredible, that any club could be leading such a rootless existence, if it weren't for finding out a few weeks earlier from my father that Ballyduff Upper had to use his club's pitch across the border in Kilworth as recently as the 1980's when they were so successful. The past is a foreign country - they do things differently there.

The thing about Erin's Own pitch in Poleberry is that it's less than 10 mins away from St Declan's, which is obviously one of the two DLS feeder schools. Their new pitch out in Killure is probably a better long term move as they can build more around that John's Park/Scoil Lorcain community.

Is Poleberry a Council owned facility which they have a lease on, or their own property I wonder. Quite a valuable land bank I'd imagine.

hardybuck

You'd imagine that Lismore would vent their frustration on the intermediate championship next year. Their coach would probably be sending them out to completely dismantle their opponents and send out a message.

cookey123

Having been at the game I was most disapointed wit Ray Barrys performance, dont get me wrong stephen Daniels did an excellent job on him but he seemed more focused on complaining and moaning, his one positive input was a great run which he passed to maurice when he possibly should have gone himself

Alf Tupper

Mountainlad wrote: »

No sympathy, would people be as sympathetic if Ballyduff, Fourmilewater or Tallow were relegated? Doubt it.

True enough ML, most clubs go through it at some stage.

Mount Sion must be the only club in the Waterford who have never been relegated.

btw, what do you think of Fourmile's chances against the Gunners next Sunday?

archieknox

cookey123 wrote: »

Having been at the game I was most disapointed wit Ray Barrys performance, dont get me wrong stephen Daniels did an excellent job on him but he seemed more focused on complaining and moaning, his one positive input was a great run which he passed to maurice when he possibly should have gone himself

Definitely not his best outing this year for Lismore Stephen Daniels was very good on him. Against Mt Sion he was excellent in the same position but personally I think he's a better wing back. I could see Lismore's reasoning in playing him in the forward line as they needed someone other than Maurice Shanahan to contribute up there I would imagine but credit to DLS they got their match ups right as Kevin Moran did a great job on Maurice also. To be honest DLS have more to offer at senior level at the moment when they sort things out. For Lismore there are lean times ahead as its rumoured today that Eoin Bennett has retired(Lismore 's best player last night) and that 3 more of their younger players are going away again next summer.
On another matter has anyone an update on the Ballinameela/Tourin playoff? Is the objection still on going or is the game going to be played?

pmy.murphy

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Yeah it would be I'm fairly sure. Unless there is something going on in there, the big gates beside the post office will be locked. Although I'm sure there are a few unofficial ways of getting in!

Oh believe me there arent Ive investigated, the whole place is surrounded in 15ft railings so makes it almost impossible for anyone to get in unless the gates are open.

It would have been handy for somewhere to puck around as its right next to where I live as Ive recently moved down to Waterford to work and have been looking for a place I could puck around and do a bit of training on my own.

hardybuck

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Oh believe me there arent Ive investigated, the whole place is surrounded in 15ft railings so makes it almost impossible for anyone to get in unless the gates are open.

It would have been handy for somewhere to puck around as its right next to where I live as Ive recently moved down to Waterford to work and have been looking for a place I could puck around and do a bit of training on my own.

DLS college field is a 2 min drive or 10 min walk from there and always open.

culbaire

cookey123 wrote: »

Having been at the game I was most disapointed wit Ray Barrys performance, dont get me wrong stephen Daniels did an excellent job on him but he seemed more focused on complaining and moaning, his one positive input was a great run which he passed to maurice when he possibly should have ?

How did Big Dan play? Who were the stars for Lismore? Is it true that one of the De La Salle stars had a second go at a free and then scored a point?

Mountainlad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Kearney was a big loss to them in fairness. I can also think of Shane Bennett john Heneghan and James Shanahan who emigrated in the past few years all were ex underage county players. Then you think of the older lads like dan dave growler brendan landers and that generation that were there all moved on, and losing the 2 Barrys to america this year. Still Lismore are alway a club that has a nice conveyor belt of hurlers coning through so still shouldnt be in the position theyre in. With regard to sympathy for Lismore I havent seen too much sympathy for them, more an acknowledgent that it was sad to see from a Waterford hurling perspective as they were always a club that produced good county players

Yeah have to say if I recall correctly James Shanahan was on the bench when I saw them around 2011 or 2012 though. Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry were on Waterford ubderage panels if I recall correctly, neither starting.

If my memory serves me correctly, barry x2, Fennessy, Fitzgerald, Paudie and John Prender, Heaphy, Peter O Keeffe, Stephen O Keeffe, Dan And Maurice all started there around 2012/2013. Thats 11 players. Someone said they lost 10 to emmigration, and maybe theyd be taking over from some of those lads but I'm not entirely convinced it's quality they lack or that the club is some hard luck story to be honest.

Every club has lost somebody, Through lack of form or work commitments etc.

Mountainlad

Alf Tupper wrote: »

True enough ML, most clubs go through it at some stage.

Mount Sion must be the only club in the Waterford who have never been relegated.

btw, what do you think of Fourmile's chances against the Gunners next Sunday?

Ballygunner are the standard bearers I suppose. You always seem to get consistency from them that might be lacking sometimes with the other City teams even when their quality is undeniable. No matter what might be going on there, when it comes to the business end Ballygunner perform like a team year in year out and are always there about. You'd have to admire them for that.

Dunno what Barron's availability is, think they'd need him. I heard they were very poor against Abbeyside and If course the last game they lost was against Ballygunner. But saw their games against ballyduff where I thought the standard was much better than reported, and DLS where they were on top throughout and showed great conposure when de la salle landed the pre half time sucker punches.

Not as good the last day though, will need to improve on that to win. I'd give them a chance, Paudi Mahony is a super player who is hard to replace so even though they've had plenty of time to adjust that does leave a gap. Would expect it to be a closer game than their group match.

Think Tallow win the other game. So consistent all year, think they deserve it and will cope with expectation.

The Dickler

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ballygunner are the standard bearers I suppose. You always seem to get consistency from them that might be lacking sometimes with the other City teams even when their quality is undeniable. No matter what might be going on there, when it comes to the business end Ballygunner perform like a team year in year out and are always there about. You'd have to admire them for that.

Dunno what Barron's availability is, think they'd need him. I heard they were very poor against Abbeyside and If course the last game they lost was against Ballygunner. But saw their games against ballyduff where I thought the standard was much better than reported, and DLS where they were on top throughout and showed great conposure when de la salle landed the pre half time sucker punches.

Not as good the last day though, will need to improve on that to win. I'd give them a chance, Paudi Mahony is a super player who is hard to replace so even though they've had plenty of time to adjust that does leave a gap. Would expect it to be a closer game than their group match.

Think Tallow win the other game. So consistent all year, think they deserve it and will cope with expectation.[/QUOTE

Ballygunner may be consistent but if they do not up the intensity several nothces they may well struggle on Sunday.

I think Ballyduff will will have too much experience and know how to see them through against Tallow.....in the curtain raiser.

pmy.murphy

hardybuck wrote: »

DLS college field is a 2 min drive or 10 min walk from there and always open.

Where exactly is that now? Is it near the peoples park/school?

Deise Hurler

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Where exactly is that now? Is it near the peoples park/school?

De La Salle College pitch is right across from the peoples park. 5 min walk from poleberry.

Deise Hurler

Who was the Lismore manager pre Dave Bennett?

DiscoStew

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Who was the Lismore manager pre Dave Bennett?

I think it was Growler earlier in the year anyway. Not sure if he stayed on after Cappoquin loss or if there was another manager before Dave Bennett stepped up. Was rumoured many of players were unhappy with Growlers appointment at the start of the year. Think Brendan Landers may have been involved with Growler too.

Deisegodeo

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Where exactly is that now? Is it near the peoples park/school?

There are goal posts in the park for a casual puck around but your best bet would be to go to DLS school, which is right beside the park. That is if you cant get into the Poleberry grounds

robopaddy2

archieknox wrote: »

On another matter has anyone an update on the Ballinameela/Tourin playoff? Is the objection still on going or is the game going to be played?

It is scheduled to go ahead as far as I know but won't be fixed until Ballinameela's involvement in the intermediate football is over. From what I have heard the western board are arguing that last year was an exception to the rule as they were restructuring the entire junior setup by allowing the second string sides back into the junior championship proper, but that relegation system resumes as normal this year. The decision not to regrade Clashmore, they will argue has been vindicated by their performances in the intermediate championship this year, topping their group and making it through to the Western Final.

DiscoStew

Very sad news to hear of Paul Foleys sudden passing. May he rest in peace.

archieknox

DiscoStew wrote: »

Very sad news to hear of Paul Foleys sudden passing. May he rest in peace.

Terrible news. My thoughts are with his family. All the rows and heated debates we have on here and when you hear of something like this it really gives you a sense of reality. What a genuinely lovely,funny man to be in company with. Devastating news. RIP.

crazyman

DiscoStew wrote: »

Very sad news to hear of Paul Foleys sudden passing. May he rest in peace.

Heard this news a while ago. Very sad. Awful tragedy. RIP Paul.

Deisegodeo

Awful news about Paul Foley. Thoughts with his family at this time. RIP

culbaire

robopaddy2 wrote: »

It is scheduled to go ahead as far as I know but won't be fixed until Ballinameela's involvement in the intermediate football is over. From what I have heard the western board are arguing that last year was an exception to the rule as they were restructuring the entire junior setup by allowing the second string sides back into the junior championship proper, but that relegation system resumes as normal this year. The decision not to regrade Clashmore, they will argue has been vindicated by their performances in the intermediate championship this year, topping their group and making it through to the Western Final.

Ah yes! No wonder people are cynical about the GAA in Waterford.