Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

HatchetMan7

Jarjohn wrote: »

Pitch sizes from 2010
http://www.hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=2&TopicID=50172
Some surprising ones

i found 3 different websites that says Nolan park is 145-88m, they must all be wrong.

KevIRL

So we play cork twice in the space of a month. Obviously the ideal outcome is to win them both. But if you were told we could only win one, which would you go for?

For me it would be the league final, national titles don't come around often for us and it would be a great confidence boost in the long term for such a young team. Plus of course we'd get a second chance in the qualifiers

HatchetMan7

KevIRL wrote: »

So we play cork twice in the space of a month. Obviously the ideal outcome is to win them both. But if you were told we could only win one, which would you go for?

For me it would be the league final, national titles don't come around often for us and it would be a great confidence boost in the long term for such a young team. Plus of course we'd get a second chance in the qualifiers

All out to win the league, take each game as it comes.

KevIRL

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

All out to win the league, take each game as it comes.

Ah yeah of course. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical situation (for the sake of discussion) where we win one of the games and lose the other. Which would you pick?

Has to be better than pitch dimension discussion anyway...

PTH2009

KevIRL wrote: »

So we play cork twice in the space of a month. Obviously the ideal outcome is to win them both. But if you were told we could only win one, which would you go for?

For me it would be the league final, national titles don't come around often for us and it would be a great confidence boost in the long term for such a young team. Plus of course we'd get a second chance in the qualifiers

The Munster semi nothing beats a Munster final

Scaldy Ned

PTH2009 wrote: »

Happy with the win love being wrong about results. I want to make a statement on behalf of myself

The only reason I'm so pessimistic is because I'm afraid to be positive because I would just end up disapointed ( I suffer from personal issues ). I'm a big Waterford supporter and really hope we do well. That's the last I will discuss about that and want discussed by other users.

It's bonus territory to be in the final and hopefully I'm able to go. I wish we were playing Dublin as it would be sometime different fan wise but it will give us an indication of were we are.

I think it will be thurles as a double header with the camoige div 1 final

LOL ....I think those "personal issues" are relevant to all Waterford people bud,,,:D Lets be honest if you're from Waterford you're scared to be optimistic....It always seems to go so wrong for us...But hey i've come round to take the joy of the win on the day. I'm almost afraid to say that i see a diamond in the rough in this team and perhaps they are the ones who are sick of seeing their parents being dissapointed and maybe they're the ones who will break through that mindset that nearly is good enough.
I watched today and cursed myself for putting myself through it....Then the game turned we won by one point...Yessssss ...Thats what its all about. But if youre from Waterford youre probably ten times more likely to have a heart attack during championship season than any other county....LOL...Up the Deise

deiseach

I'd be chuffed if we beat Tipp at tiddlywinks. We've beaten them a grand total of twenty times in League and Championship hurling. So the little boys I saw today jumping around with delight after the final whistle - they've already seen 5% of our wins against them!

deiseach

What would be the need for shadow boxing for the final? It might have made sense back in the old days when you were aiming to peak for the Championship game and defeat there was fatal to your summer aspirations. That's not the case anymore.

PTH2009

deiseach wrote: »

What would be the need for shadow boxing for the final? It might have made sense back in the old days when you were aiming to peak for the Championship game and defeat there was fatal to your summer aspirations. That's not the case anymore.

That was a crazy system. Tipperary in 2010 and Clare 2013 would not have won all Ireland's if that system was still in place

Mountainlad

I think Cork is actually probably more ideal than having played Dublin. If we were to beat Dublin in a league final say, then Cork would be waiting in the long grass come championship. Who says we can't beat them twice? Won't be easy of course, they showed great fighting qualities themselves to come back having not hurled a ball for 40 minutes.

Some performance today. Was asking questions after 10 minutes, actually got very negative. Too many times we've been beaten well by Tipp since 2009, but the last 3 years in the league we've had the beating of them prevailing twice and hopefully that will translate into championship, if not this year soon. The big question asked was what would happen to Waterford if we went down, and sure enough inside 13 minutes we were 7 down with 2 goals shipped and our rookie full back on a yellow card against arguably the best forward in the Country.

Not alone that but he'd been dragged out to corner back, where I thought myself he'd been exposed. But thereafter he only coughed up one point, I though Coughlan had a great game. I was wincing seeing Noel Connors looking to be at full back as the Waterford players were marking their men and if a situation like that arises again would much rather see himself and Fives swap.

Barron and Moran were excellent, as was Maurice and I though Philip Mahony had a great game. Not mentioned as much as the others, he's really coming into his own. Austin Gleeson was playing clever balls first half and he was the go to guy for players to play long balls to the forwards. Second half he was a bit rash and wasted a few. Dunford was getting frustrated as he had a lot of space.

I'd say Paul Curran is not likely to feature for Tipp this year after that game. Maurice has no turn but so dangerous with the ball in hand. It was strange watching Dunford play, the role they have for him he is everywhere but what a threat. Offers so much, but would like to see him close to goal more often as he is the goal threat and proved it today. Great to see him continue to have an impact after being taken out by O'Mahony, who I distinctly remember making a similar late tackle against Clare earlier in the year.

Don't think Paudie Mahony missed a free, he's got nerves of steel. Some result, well done to everyone involved.

seananigans

KevIRL wrote: »

Ah yeah of course. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical situation (for the sake of discussion) where we win one of the games and lose the other. Which would you pick?

Has to be better than pitch dimension discussion anyway...

70 minutes away from a national title, at least 380 from the AI , while a munster is special, its not unprecedented.

no teams has won the league from 1b ,in fact no team has won a quarter or semi.

we have a chance to do something no team has ever done,tell me no one on here wants that

on a sidenote,the league format is to be reviewed before next year, our success from 1b is undoubtedly part of the discussion

Fireball07

seananigans wrote: »

70 minutes away from a national title, at least 380 from the AI , while a munster is special, its not unprecedented.

no teams has won the league from 1b ,in fact no team has won a quarter or semi.

we have a chance to do something no team has ever done,tell me no one on here wants that

on a sidenote,the league format is to be reviewed before next year, our success from 1b is undoubtedly part of the discussion

While that is all true, the quarter-finals were only brought in last year and the semi-final for 1B teams was only there since the previous year. I do hope Waterford win it, would be good for hurling, I think- would be a big confidence boost and the more strong teams the better.


I don't think the format should be changed. In fact, I would have thought Waterford's success is more of a reason for keeping it the same. At the moment, the top division is very very competitive and there was a good 3-way battle for promotion too... I know Limerick fell away badly with a loss to Offaly but it should really have come down to the last day with 3 teams having the chance to win it, as it was it was just the 2. If they went back to an 8-team division, it would leave 1B very uncompetitive which would be a disaster.

cul beag

Credit to all involved today we played some great hurling at times. A big thumbs up to Barry Coughlan because after a shaky start he was immense and deserves a clap on the back for it.

Scaldy Ned

seananigans wrote: »

70 minutes away from a national title, at least 380 from the AI , while a munster is special, its not unprecedented.

no teams has won the league from 1b ,in fact no team has won a quarter or semi.

we have a chance to do something no team has ever done,tell me no one on here wants that

on a sidenote,the league format is to be reviewed before next year, our success from 1b is undoubtedly part of the discussion

We all know that "The League is different" but that's been the cliche for established teams who don't have the same respect for it as the Championship...But that can also be a get out clause. I think that Tipp gave it all today and didn't want to lose to a team of young upstarts. From a Waterford point of view they'll say ...Ok not The Championship but a committed Tipp. Great experience for them and great for the coinfidence. I've been reading all week from all the experts that Waterford would put up a good show but would be overwhelmed by the first real test of their quality and Tipp would probably win by three goals minimum....And here we are.
Lets not get carried away ...we are from Waterford after all...But you can only do what you have to on the day in question. I see it this way...Cork will now say "If we are to be serious contenders for September" we must take the wind out of Waterfords sails...This will make for an even more serious questioning of Waterford......If they can win........Who Knows !!!!!

Scifo

Teams are defined by the trophies they win....or don't win.

The most talented team never to win an All-Ireland. Winners of the Greatest Munster Final of All Time. All-Stars, HOTYs, The People's Champions.... Great days out, summer Sundays of shoot-out hurling. Donal Óg waxing lyrically with a few celtic crosses in his back pocket, or in the till of some half-pub half-grocery down in West Cork waiting to be given out as change to some unsuspecting German local.

TBTF for the 4 munsters and the League in '07. We have a 'tradition' of coming up short on the biggest stage so time to set aside some of the purist nonsense that's passed off as gospel.

We have a young manager in charge, someone who's learning his craft. When the two Cunninghams, JBM, Davy, Whelehan, and Cody etc. were picking up All-Irelands, he was coming form a different place, somewhere we're all familiar with. And now he has the gumption to ask for a bit of patience and let him chart his own course, learning alongside the young adults that are showing signs of being quick learners.

There will be rough days ahead, but there is an All-Ireland in this team once we nurture a bit more firepower and are left to learn. All-Irelands have never been won without an insatiable appetite for hard work and no little talent - we can't fault them on that so far. We may be naive, we may make mistakes and we may get it tactically wrong on occasion so perseverance will be required.

Some say that you need to lose a final before you can win one, like us back in 1998. They don't go in for that much down in Cork or Kilkenny. Winning becomes a habit and begets winning. Most of these lads are used to winning underage, the challenge they now face is to translate that to senior. Starting with the league final. If you're good enough you are old enough a la Pele in 58 at 17 years of age.

It's us and Cork in a national final. Forget talk of not showing your hand, or having one eye on June. Let June take care of itself. Cork need to learn that this time is different. It's not about miracle goals from out the field, over the shoulder points from impossible angles, a two-fingered salute cast in defeat, Corcoranesque ill-discipline due to the heart overruling the head or a county divided in two.

Nor is it about robots slavishly adhering to a system, Jose hurling, 3-5-21-1-1-17-45 or whatever. It's about a young manager with a young team learning how to win in their own way, in a savagely competitive era of hurling. And I'd rather that any day than experiencing the many different ways we've learnt to lose. We, along with Mayo, could give seminars on that.

Let's establish the substance and then work on the style. We have two Liam McCarthys and two NHL titles to our name. A total of 4 national senior hurling titles. Tipperary have 19 league titles, Kilkenny 17 and Cork 14, despite it being 'only the league'.

It's about winning.

Deskjockey

A brilliant result today for this young team and hopefully this will give them some self belief that they can go ahead and do something special.

Some points about today's game.
1. Kevin Moran is an immense player for us
2. It's great to see the Waterford public turning up in greater numbers than the past few years to support the team. Has been a while since I heard Wa-ter- ford, Clap- clap- clap being done with such gusto
3. Mentioned already but was concerning to see Tipp finding the same player on the sunny stand side of the field 5 or 6 times in a row... on the half way line
4. I was sitting near a Tipp fan roaring abuse at Barry Kelly for (gasp) having the temerity to give frees against his team. Funny how Barry has gotten under the skin of Tipp fans and Kilkenny fans in the last 12 months. Keep on rocking Barry, you're doing something right if you're not giving the soft frees to the big three teams like other fan referees.
5. 16.445 is a fairly poor attendance for a league semi final in a central ground no more than an hour and a half from any of the fans (discounting the football loving brethren from the wilds of west Cork)
6 Fantastic to see Maurice Shanahan presenting such an attacking threat
7 Paudi Maher is an an animal of a defender (meant in the most complimentary way) and scored some fabulous points
8. It's just so deadly to know that our Paudie Mahoney is such a unerring freetaker, he nailed some difficult ones today. He has ice in his veins.
9. Finally I'm just so happy that this team had the strength of character to come back after conceding 2-4 in the first 16? minutes, it all looked like Tipp were going to steamroll us but the sleeves were collectively rolled up by all 15 players and the hooking blocking and sheer work ethic displayed in the game reflects very well on the team, manager and backroom staff.

Up the Déise and roll on May 3.

westcork blue

Thats the second time I've seen waterford play tipp this year and there has been nothing in either game. After the challange against them in the Fraher Field in January I posted here about having hope, today confirms it. We have a very balanced team with different lads putting there hand up each week to take responsibility.
Standouts for me today were Shane Fives, Barry C, Moran, Barron and Maurice. I also though Steven Bennett had a really positive spell in the Half forward line where he won 3 clean puckouts. Hopefully he'll get a clear run at the summer as he's one of the most talented stick men I've ever seen.
Aussie was a bit like the curates egg today, some brilliant runs mixed with poor finishing, great controlled passing mixed with wild uncontrolled. In full flight his control is astonishing. Tom Divine also looked really polished when he came on. Mix Shane Bennett and Dara Fives into the pot and we are really shaping up well.
The attitude from the off this year has been great, they look and play like a really united bunch. Great to see a few more making the effort to travel, roll on May 3rd.

PTH2009

westcork blue wrote: »

Thats the second time I've seen waterford play tipp this year and there has been nothing in either game. After the challange against them in the Fraher Field in January I posted here about having hope, today confirms it. We have a very balanced team with different lads putting there hand up each week to take responsibility.
Standouts for me today were Shane Fives, Barry C, Moran, Barron and Maurice. I also though Steven Bennett had a really positive spell in the Half forward line where he won 3 clean puckouts. Hopefully he'll get a clear run at the summer as he's one of the most talented stick men I've ever seen.
Aussie was a bit like the curates egg today, some brilliant runs mixed with poor finishing, great controlled passing mixed with wild uncontrolled. In full flight his control is astonishing. Tom Divine also looked really polished when he came on. Mix Shane Bennett and Dara Fives into the pot and we are really shaping up well.
The attitude from the off this year has been great, they look and play like a really united bunch. Great to see a few more making the effort to travel, roll on May 3rd.

Don't forget Stephen Daniels

Waternut

Great performance by the lads. Delighted with Maurice's performance, hopefully he's maturing into the player we all expected him to. It's worth remembering that Pat Horgan, Callanan, Richie Hogan and even big Dan took until their mid twenties to mature into the players they became. Great performance again by the backs, I though De Burca and Fives were outstanding. I would still like to find room for Dara Fives, a potential game winner, hopefully he's genning over the injury problems. The next few weeks will be both exciting and interesting.

Orizio

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Well we went 6/7 points down playing with extra men in defence and still won the game. Did we change anything when we were down so much? I didn't think we went too defensive today as we did against Galway but i could be wrong. Any thoughts?

Need to return to 15 vs 15 and bring back the old swashbuckling style. Its Waterford's tradition.

stumblingblock

Were in bonus territory now. But we should take these opportunities and go all out to win the league. There is a hunger about us that I haven’t seen in us in a long time. A young hungry team. With no fears. No baggage on their shoulders. Throw in the experience of Brick and Moran aswell. Hard to beat it. Reminds me a bit of Clare in 2013. A talented young team that no one expected to blossom for a few years. See where it got them. Yes I am getting ahead of myself. But my point is Clare haven’t shown the same level of hunger and intensity since. Its something that’s hard to maintain. Kilkenny are the masters at it. But while were in this zone, this winning streak, we need to cherish it. Forget about 2 or 3 years. We are here and now. Forget the Munster championship. Lets go for the league like our life depends on it. We don’t know how long this bandwagon will keep on rolling for.

Gardner

Professey Chin wrote: »

Same size

Nowlan Park 145 x 88
Thurles 145 x 90
Croke park 145 x 88

HatchetMan7

Orizio wrote: »

Need to return to 15 vs 15 and bring back the old swashbuckling style. Its Waterford's tradition.

Unfortunately for Waterford we never won an All Ireland playing that way in the last 20 years. Would you rather win ugly or not win at all? Having said that though we have a talented young team and i believe that we will adjust the way we play as the year progresses. I think that Derek McGrath is trying to build confidence and that won't happen if we're shipping 3/4 goals a game. As confidence builds our style of play will reflect that.

Cake Man

Still on a buzz from the game which will probably last into the middle of the week at least. I know it may only be the league but it's great to see our lads express themselves and do so well. There definately is s hunger and willingness to work your socks off for the team and long may it last.
Moran, Maurice, Barron, Paudie, Tadhg, Fives all had fantastic games amonst others. With Darragh Fives and potentially Shane Bennett coming in the team can only get stronger.

My only worry is that we've basically revealed our hand already and teams will have their homework done on us come championship. In saying that Tipp knew the type of game we'd play before a ball was pucked and didn't seem to have a plan b when we were on top.
I'd love to see us go all out for the league now, not often we see our teams lift too many trophies. I can't wait for the next 2 months!

Well done lads and management team.

Mountainlad

Hope there's a good crowd following for the final, well deserved by the team.

blueflame

Excellent result, great performance, and bundles of character. We started well against the wind, which I believe was much stronger than most think and was the reason for what so many perceived as being poor wides, then conceded two goals, steadied the ship and clawed our way back, went four points up coming into the final furlong and then left Tipp back to draw level but still had the character to drive on an get the winner. So much for inexperience, this team has lots of characters.

Major worry for me was the way in the last 10 minutes or so we really fell back the field and gave Tipp acres of spaces to take short puck outs, would have rathered see us apply pressure a bit further up the field as we had been doing. Couple of things for me yesterday:

Maurice is a an out an out half forward, he is a ball winner, he likes the additional space, while he doesn't have that initial burst of pace, the is a hard man to stop when he gets moving and can score for fun.

Dunford gets through a huge amount of work out the field but showed his true worth in having him close to goal, he carries a real threath there so the more we can keep him in there the better.

Devine, think this lad has real potential, has lost weight and looks much more mobile than in the past, is a big man with a good hand and puts himself about willing to take the belt, but has a nice touch and not frightened to go for goal Was very unlucky yesterday not to have registered one.

Have not been the biggest fan of McGrath's tactics but will be the first to say, the results say it all. Lads say we are relying heavily on Paudi's frees taking but that is because we are drawing fouls, which if not yielded might leads to a lot more scores from play. I think is part also of we working the ball into more dangerous positions forcing the foul to come in many ways.

For my I would love to see us go all out for a league title, and think that is what McGrath will do, who gives a sh1te about showing our hand. Winning breads confidence and this is only learning its' trade. They are capable of much more. Any who thinks Cork don't care should have a look at JBMs reaction at full time yesterday, you would swear he won the All Ireland and don't tell that was just because of the comeback, it is all about winning!!!!!.

Roll on Sunday week in Thurles and as Davy would say "hats off to the lads and management"

deiseach

Tom De-VINE or Tom Di-VEEN?

Giveitfong

Congratulations also to the Waterford Camogie team who beat Kildare yesterday (1-15 to 1-7) to qualify for the National League Division 2 final against Laois on May 3. There has been mention of the Division 1 final (Cork v Galway) being played with the National Hurling League final, so wouldn't it be great if they were to play the Division 2 final on the same programme in a triple-bill? And wouldn't it be great to have Waterford playing in Division 1 next year? There seems to be great work going on in camogie in the county, with the minor team competing at A level this year (and being quite competitive).

Best of luck also to the Waterford Ladies Football team who won all their seven games in division 3 of the league, and who play Roscommon in the semi-final next weekend. They have a new manager this year who seems to have given things a lift.

Deise_2012

deiseach wrote: »

Tom De-VINE or Tom Di-VEEN?

Devine

Deise_2012

Just after watching the Cork Dublin game, that Cork full back line is shocking, if Dublin had better forwards...which we have, they could have been well out of sight. I think it's going to be a shootout when we play the sweeper system. I know they played terrific yesterday with the 2 man full forward line, but if we play Bennett Dunford and Shanahan in that full forward line, imo they will clean up

PTH2009

Thurles 3.30 sun 3 may

No match before it as far as I know

dcrosskid

Congrats to Waterford yesterday, seemed to want the win a bit more than us. Impressed with Barron midfield and the half backs. All excellent ball players & Austin Gleeson looks like the real deal. De Burcha is a bit of an unsung hero, very solid. Coughlan was well minded with players in front of him but later in the year he could be caught out, if Callanan was supplied more ball I think he could have been exposed. Moran is still one of the most consistent hurlers in the country & Brick is still producing. Wouldn't be a big fan of Maurice Shanahan but he hurled well yesterday & had Paul Curran in a lot of trouble before he was moved and then replaced after being taken for a goal by Dunford. O Keefe is an excellent goalie & hurler in general, he looks comfortable coming out with a ball unlike Gleeson in our own goal and can break a tackle.

Thought Barry Kelly was a bit hard on us with a few calls but then again it was repeat offenders Paddy Stapleton, Conor O Mahoney and Curran who were being punished. With a few of our first choice backs returning from injury there is still a lot of positives for us to take out of the league but it will feel like one we left behind unfortunately. We have 9 or 10 lads to return to full time action soon enough hopefully and we have plenty of time to rebuild before first round of the championship.

Would like to see ye go on and win it now, very impressed with McGrath as a manager and a person. Fantastic gesture from him to present O Shea with flowers for Noel McGrath and he gave him a call during the week too. Very decent & thoughtful of him and the Waterford County Board.

Fred C Dobbs

Who said this would be a stroll in the sun for Tipp ; you must have forgotten that Tipp got a lucky, late goal in last year's league match to beat a poor Waterford side and did W'ford not beat Tipp in the Sports Field the year before ?

It was great to be in Nowlan Park yesterday (and what a fine stadium it is). People might say that Tipp weren't really bothered ; I just think they were too complacent throughout, thinking they could turn on the style when they felt like it. You can be sure that Tipp wanted some bit of silverware to make up for the numerous beaten finals in recent times (against KK, admittedly) but I would expect a much sterner challenge if we meet again this year.

What was confirmed yesterday (among other things and no particular order) :
Jamie Barron has some engine ; Mahony is the most reliable freetaker we've ever had ;
Maurice is coming of age ; De Burca oozes class (he moves like an ice skater) and its reassuring to have him hovering in front of the full back line.

For the all the talent and skill that Gleeson has, someone needs to take him aside and tell him not to be swinging wildly overhead so often ... he's either going to decapitate someone and/or get himself sent off (as in last year's County Final). Anyway, the sooner we get him into the fowards the better, as he has an assassins instinct .... Gleeson, a fully fit Stephen Bennett, Dunford, Shane Bennett (and Patrick Curran in time) ; what a foward line that would make ... now you're talking All Irelands.

'Salad days' (refer Shakespeare) are hear again.

crottys lake

crottys lake wrote: »

I would be hopeful that unlike some posters that Waterford will win. I expect a full blooded encounter ,a sort of Championship feel to the game. We are very strong in every position and can match them in skill also. I think our tackling and workrate is slightly better than them at the moment. Tom Devine might be the key man late on in the game. Waterford 1 -17 Tipperary 0-15.

Congratulations to all the players and management team on a terrific result. It was all I had hoped for and more or less expected. I am going to analyse the game later on. Tipperary are a very good side and scored one of the best goals you are likely to see which saw them race into a big lead but we never panicked and chipped away until we were only three down at the break.

The management reacted well to where we were getting hurt with one fairly simple move. Derek and Dan must be very pleased with the contribution of Fintan O'Connor and likewise Fergal O'Brien who is another fabulous addition and I have never seen a Waterford squad as fit and healthy as this one.

The impending return of Darragh Fives will further enhance this already burgeoning group of players and in my opinion he has the potential to be one of the best centre backs in the country. He is a terrific decision maker and has vision to boot. Bringing Darragh in centre back could trigger the release of Aussie Gleeson up to wing forward which I feel will only enhance the entire team. Tadhg De Burca can fit seamlessly into the wing back position.

I also hope the rumours circulating around Nolan Park yesterday that Connor Gleeson and Patrick Curran are about to join the senior squad in the next few days are true. The former is developing at a rate of knots and is a very serious corner back in the making. Shane Bennett will be available soon also.

The future is now.

PTH2009

crottys lake wrote: »

Congratulations to all the players and management team on a terrific result. It was all I had hoped for and more or less expected. I am going to analyse the game later on. Tipperary are a very good side and scored one of the best goals you are likely to see which saw them race into a big lead but we never panicked and chipped away until we were only three down at the break.

The management reacted well to where we were getting hurt with one fairly simple move. Derek and Dan must be very pleased with the contribution of Fintan O'Connor and likewise Fergal O'Brien who is another fabulous addition and I have never seen a Waterford squad as fit and healthy as this one.

The impending return of Darragh Fives will further enhance this already burgeoning group of players and in my opinion he has the potential to be one of the best centre backs in the country. He is a terrific decision maker and has vision to boot. Bringing Darragh in centre back could trigger the release of Aussie Gleeson up to wing forward which I feel will only enhance the entire team. Tadhg De Burca can fit seamlessly into the wing back position.

I also hope the rumours circulating around Nolan Park yesterday that Connor Gleeson and Patrick Curran are about to join the senior squad in the next few days are true. The former is developing at a rate of knots and is a very serious corner back in the making. Shane Bennett will be available soon also.

The future is now.

Jesus we have too much talent there might not be enough room. I'd say our intermediate team will be strong

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus we have too much talent there might not be enough room. I'd say our intermediate team will be strong

:pac:

Though I did think from what I read in the papers etc today that Waterford weren't given enough praise and respect for an absolutely massive result

Professey Chin

tomwaterford wrote: »

Though I did think from what I read in the papers etc today that Waterford weren't given enough praise and respect for an absolutely massive result

Sure it nearly pained Eddie Brennan to compliment us on League Sunday :pac:

It is a point looking at players to come back though. Who would you drop to fit some of them in. None of the starters deserve not to be there but theres a few players not starting who probably should be......
Its a great problem to have I guess!

PTH2009

I'd say the senior hurling county championship round 1 and 2 will be played the weekends of 8/9/10 may and 15/16/17 may and we might play 1 or 2 challenge games the following weekends

Would not mind playing kilkenny in a challenge or Dublin

thinkstoomuch1

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Just after watching the Cork Dublin game, that Cork full back line is shocking, if Dublin had better forwards...which we have, they could have been well out of sight. I think it's going to be a shootout when we play the sweeper system. I know they played terrific yesterday with the 2 man full forward line, but if we play Bennett Dunford and Shanahan in that full forward line, imo they will clean up

I'd have to agree with that school of thought but hopefully from cork view point Ellis is fit so Mcdonnell goes to four with o Neill or else Burke for kearney
O Neill unfortunately in poor form but once left there not full back he's big game player
Shananan could do serious damage to cork Full back line if gets ball but that's imo cork saving grace I can't see Waterford changing from two man inside line to three man orthodox line


However if waterford choose to and mcgrath is brave enough to change he's system cork full back line huge worry imo


The Waterford full back imo is not rock solid either but has been saved by the sweeper system
Tough call for Waterford in imo to score goals could actually concede goals as horgan and cadogan or Paudie or luke as subs with good ball have goals in them if waterford loose their sweeper
The test for Waterford is to find balance between defence and attack

jacko1

Looking forward to championship v cork but really looking forward to U21 v. Cork

serious experience and talent for an underage team

TyrionPower

Kevin Moran was absolutely fantastic yesterday - the captaincy is really bringing out the best in him he hurled his socks off

TyrionPower

crottys lake wrote: »

The impending return of Darragh Fives will further enhance this already burgeoning group of players and in my opinion he has the potential to be one of the best centre backs in the country. He is a terrific decision maker and has vision to boot. Bringing Darragh in centre back could trigger the release of Aussie Gleeson up to wing forward which I feel will only enhance the entire team. Tadhg De Burca can fit seamlessly into the wing back position.

I also hope the rumours circulating around Nolan Park yesterday that Connor Gleeson and Patrick Curran are about to join the senior squad in the next few days are true. The former is developing at a rate of knots and is a very serious corner back in the making. Shane Bennett will be available soon also.

The future is now.

I don't think that there is any need to move TdeB - it will be great to have fives back but he hasn't played that much in nearly two years, it is a nit much to expect him to slot in Centre back - but great to have in reserve for later in the summer.

It would be great if Patrick Curran was called up - he is a beautiful hurler, I have seen him playing a lot of games and he is lethal - if he gets on the ball you are basically thinking right this is point straight away.... he can always make space for himself and get his strike away.... there is the touches of a Joe Deane about him... he always puts in a shift as well, he is a great tackler always gets a hurley or a block in (thats how his goal came about in the minor final)... he must be a nightmare to mark - even if the corner back wins the ball he can rob it off him - sometimes its like the corner backs are picking up the ball for him.

I never had Conor Gleeson down as a corner back but another great young player.

archieknox

Paddy Curran went to town against James Stephens a few weeks ago and is flying at the moment. Yes he would be some addition to the squad(and there are 1 or 2 more that could strengthen it aswell)but to be honest with the system Waterford are playing i am not sure he would flourish. Apparently he's still not making himself available unless there has been developments recently.

jacko1

Mikey Kearney stretchered off tonight in CIT v.UCC Cork County Championship game

Match stopped for 15 mins

Hope he's ok

seananigans

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd have to agree with that school of thought but hopefully from cork view point Ellis is fit so Mcdonnell goes to four with o Neill or else Burke for kearney
O Neill unfortunately in poor form but once left there not full back he's big game player
Shananan could do serious damage to cork Full back line if gets ball but that's imo cork saving grace I can't see Waterford changing from two man inside line to three man orthodox line


However if waterford choose to and mcgrath is brave enough to change he's system cork full back line huge worry imo


The Waterford full back imo is not rock solid either but has been saved by the sweeper system
Tough call for Waterford in imo to score goals could actually concede goals as horgan and cadogan or Paudie or luke as subs with good ball have goals in them if waterford loose their sweeper
The test for Waterford is to find balance between defence and attack

I'm pretty sure everyone knows what you are saying(unless you are quoting) is your opinion, if you feel the need to state this ,once per post is fine

thinkstoomuch1

seananigans wrote: »

I'm pretty sure everyone knows what you are saying(unless you are quoting) is your opinion, if you feel the need to state this ,once per post is fine

Grammar style with respect is different for every one
I'm more interested talking hurling okay just my opinion

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.the42.ie/noel-mcgrath-tipperary-waterford-2059580-Apr2015/
Very nice gesture by Waterford and mcgrath
Credit due
League final may 3rd in Thurles at 3.30

stumblingblock

If you could only pick one game to beat the Rebels in. Would it be League Final or Munster Semi?

Cake Man

Ha I was thinking exactly that yesterday and I know somebody else brought it up on here. It's actually a really hard one to pick. A league title is not to be sneezed at and if we were to lose to Cork in June we'd still have the safety net of the qualifiers.
But a shot at a Munster final and guaranteed AI quarter final at a minimum and hurling into late summer (which would do our lads the world of good getting plenty of championship experience under the belts) is very tempting too.
I actually couldn't decide which one I'd rather win! If pushed to it....maybe championship.

Ropaire

I'd rather go out and bulldose them in both! I'm sure the team are thinking that too. As good as the win vs Tipp is we've won nothing yet and we should be keeping the feet on the ground. But since you asked, league win as we're so close to doing it.