Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

The Lost Sheep

It wasn't a ruck after the clear out by 2/3/5. No South African player bound. South African player entitled to come in.
Referee correct to say use it. What else should he have said?

errlloyd

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It wasn't a ruck after the clear out by 2/3/5. No South African player bound. South African player entitled to come in.
Referee correct to say use it. What else should he have said?

Nothing - unless you think "use it" was advice rather than a command - if so it is really suckish advice. I thought he shouted "use it" to trigger the 5 second count down - thus implying that it was a ruck, and indeed also implying that Webb had 5 seconds to use it.

Ultimately there is a good analysis here as to why that wasn't a ruck, but Lacey clearly thought it was. He said "use it" and he also said "ball was out" rather than saying the "ruck was over" in his explanation.

.ak

errlloyd wrote: »

Nothing - unless you think "use it" was advice rather than a command - if so it is really suckish advice. I thought he shouted "use it" to trigger the 5 second count down - thus implying that it was a ruck, and indeed also implying that Webb had 5 seconds to use it.

Ultimately there is a good analysis here as to why that wasn't a ruck, but Lacey clearly thought it was. He said "use it" and he also said "ball was out" rather than saying the "ruck was over" in his explanation.

That suggests a lot of hand holding by the ref. By the looks of it the SA player just reacted quicker than the ref could suggest there's no ruck.

errlloyd

.ak wrote: »

That suggests a lot of hand holding by the ref. By the looks of it the SA player just reacted quicker than the ref could suggest there's no ruck.

Sorry if I sound like I am arguing, I am actually also confused here.

Lacey shouts "use it" as the SA player is coming around, there is literally half a second between him saying use it and the player coming round. At the context of a ruck use it means the 9 has 5 seconds to play the ball, or the referee will award a scrum to the other team for time wasting.

The reason this exists is because Munster ruined the last 20 minutes of a Heineken cup final the offside line at a ruck would allow you to time waste if it didn't. So half a second before the SA player came around, Lacey effectively told the Welsh players it was a ruck.

awec

Do all yourselves a favour and don't try and understand or comprehend a Lacey call.

I've been down that road. It's long, dark and lonely.

sydthebeat

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It wasn't a ruck after the clear out by 2/3/5. No South African player bound. South African player entitled to come in.
Referee correct to say use it. What else should he have said?

just to flesh this out a bit if i may.

lets assume the ball is in the ruck, defending players are rucked out... attackers guarding over the ball.
is the ruck finished when the defending players are rucked out... or is it finished when the ball leave the ruck?

the laws say its when the ball leaves the ruck... not the players

so id argue your intrepreatation above is incorrect

.ak

errlloyd wrote: »

Sorry if I sound like I am arguing, I am actually also confused here.

Lacey shouts "use it" as the SA player is coming around, there is literally half a second between him saying use it and the player coming round. At the context of a ruck use it means the 9 has 5 seconds to play the ball, or the referee will award a scrum to the other team for time wasting.

The reason this exists is because Munster ruined the last 20 minutes of a Heineken cup final the offside line at a ruck would allow you to time waste if it didn't. So half a second before the SA player came around, Lacey effectively told the Welsh players it was a ruck.

It doesn't. The law, if it even is a law which I'm not sure it is, since the new 5 second rule if a ref says use it the 9 has 5 seconds to move it.

However, that's only true if the context is a ruck - in this case I think he's just saying use it because it's out. The phrase 'use it' doesn't have to be used only in the context of a ruck.

Therefore Lacey isn't telling anyone it's a ruck just by using the phrase 'use it'.

The players need to be aware of the rules and whilst the best refs will constantly chat about what their interoperation is as it's happening it doesn't mean the players don't need to know the rules.

thomond2006

awec wrote: »

Do all yourselves a favour and don't try and understand or comprehend a Lacey call.

I've been down that road. It's long, dark and lonely.

And we DON'T want another trip to Vincent's after you nearly died when Lacey handed Ulster a try against Leinster.

CatFromHue

GT on Off the Ball tonight was saying that Leinster did/do want Deans but he's put it out that he's already under contract to a Japanese club. GT says though that Deans would actually prefer to move to a French club and not Leinster for unknown reasons, possible personal reasons!

Heroditas

awec wrote: »

Do all yourselves a favour and don't try and understand or comprehend a Lacey call.

I've been down that road. It's long, dark and lonely.

That's only because you're the only one who disagrees with his decisions. :pac:

The Lost Sheep

sydthebeat wrote: »

just to flesh this out a bit if i may.

lets assume the ball is in the ruck, defending players are rucked out... attackers guarding over the ball.
is the ruck finished when the defending players are rucked out... or is it finished when the ball leave the ruck?

the laws say its when the ball leaves the ruck... not the players

so id argue your intrepreatation above is incorrect

A ruck is formed when At least one player from a team is in physical contact with an opponent. If the players on one team clear all players of opposition out then the ruck is over.

guapos

This might be old news but I was surprised to see Jordan Coghlan was off to Munster
http://www.balls.ie/rugby/munster-rugby-departures/295398

ray jay

CatFromHue wrote: »

GT on Off the Ball tonight was saying that Leinster did/do want Deans but he's put it out that he's already under contract to a Japanese club. GT says though that Deans would actually prefer to move to a French club and not Leinster for unknown reasons, possible personal reasons!

... like his bank account balance.

sydthebeat

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

A ruck is formed when At least one player from a team is in physical contact with an opponent. If the players on one team clear all players of opposition out then the ruck is over.

Well that's not correct in accordance with the laws.

total former

Jono Gibbes has extended his contract with Clermont until June 2018, so that's one name out of the running anyway.

ktulu123

Balls, was hoping for Gibbes to be the man

total former

ktulu123 wrote: »

Balls, was hoping for Gibbes to be the man

It was always a long shot since he was contracted to Clermont for next season, but he would have been excellent IMO, if we could have signed a decent backs coach too, would have taken some of the load off Cullen as well.

thomond2006

Philippe Saint-Andre? I'm not kidding.

.ak

ktulu123 wrote: »

Balls, was hoping for Gibbes to be the man

Ah it would've been nice, the guys would've related to him, but I'm not sure its exactly what we need right now. Someone fresh might be a better option.

Buer

Disappointed but not too surprised. I'm almost sure that it was reported that he didn't want to be a head coach when he left Leinster and just wanted a new challenge. I could see him heading back to NZ after France.

That leaves McKenzie as the last "big name" that's closely linked with the job now.

Looking at all the listed potential candidates on PP....I think we can rule out a lot of them pretty instantly due to them being contracted elsewhere or completely off the wall which makes it fairly interesting.

ionadnapokot

Would love Gregor at Leinster. It even has a nice ring to it.
Tried to check when his contract runs out. No hits?

Podge_irl

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Would love Gregor at Leinster. It even has a nice ring to it.
Tried to check when his contract runs out. No hits?

He's not going to leave Glasgow for Leinster. It's a complete and utter non-runner.

ionadnapokot

Any idea when his contract runs out?

irishbucsfan

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Any idea when his contract runs out?

At the moment, whenever he wants it to

ionadnapokot

irishbucsfan wrote: »

At the moment, whenever he wants it to

€€ Come on down....Denis O'Brien. All will b forgiven.
...Again

awec

Spotted Declan Kidney looking at furniture in IKEA earlier today. Overheard him on the phone too to some guy called "Mick" saying he was happy enough to take the offer and was currently sorting himself some patio furniture.

scott1974

awec wrote: »

Spotted Declan Kidney looking at furniture in IKEA earlier today. Overheard him on the phone too to some guy called "Mick" saying he was happy enough to take the offer and was currently sorting himself some patio furniture.

I think he was on to this Mick!! He musn't have liked IKEA's beds..

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3703/10653552106_2a5a89af27_b.jpg

dub_skav

awec wrote: »

Spotted Declan Kidney looking at furniture in IKEA earlier today. Overheard him on the phone too to some guy called "Mick" saying he was happy enough to take the offer and was currently sorting himself some patio furniture.

Well that's a relief, with the weather we're having he'd have no need for patio furniture in Dublin.

Maybe Declan can't pronounce Mourad?

awec

Actually spotted him again in the Audi garage in Ballsbridge, again overheard him saying he was looking forward to the short commute from Dundrum to Clonskeagh every day but wanted to arrive in style anyway.

awec

awec wrote: »

Actually spotted him again in the Audi garage in Ballsbridge, again overheard him saying he was looking forward to the short commute from Dundrum to Clonskeagh every day but wanted to arrive in style anyway.

Must have gotten himself a job in UCD then, because Leinster are sponsored by VW and so he'd not need an Audi!