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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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    #5672
    total former
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    In your opinion......

    Yep. Also, it's a fact.


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    #5673
    scott1974
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    total former wrote: »
    That is utter bollocks

    He was excellent in the 2014 6N.

    I'm glad you said that..:)

    I doubt Schmidt would have picked out of a sense of loyalty..


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    #5674
    armchaircoach
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    Well seeing as his last game in the rds was that pure s***efest against the Italians at the end of last season, he probably deserves a better send off than he got.

    I'd say him doing a lap at the end of that night was pretty much the only thing that stopped the team being booed off the pitch.


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    #5675
    LorMal
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    armchaircoach wrote: »
    Well seeing as his last game in the rds was that pure s***efest against the Italians at the end of last season, he probably deserves a better send off than he got.

    I'd say him doing a lap at the end of that night was pretty much the only thing that stopped the team being booed off the pitch.

    Undoubtedly. Unfortunately, I think the appetite for glorious send offs is lessened after the dreary long long goodbye for BOD. (Not his fault).

    POC, D'arcy, Jennings are all choosing to slip away quietly rather than face that over emotional, embarrassing hype-fest.

    He knows what he achieved, he knows how respected he is. He doesn't need balloons.


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    #5676
    vienne86
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Undoubtedly. Unfortunately, I think the appetite for glorious send offs is lessened after the dreary long long goodbye for BOD. (Not his fault).

    POC, D'arcy, Jennings are all choosing to slip away quietly rather than face that over emotional, embarrassing hype-fest.

    He knows what he achieved, he knows how respected he is. He doesn't need balloons.

    You might be right. It should be whatever he wants himself.


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    #5677
    shuffol
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    His legs aren't gone, he was unconditioned like the rest of them but it's going to take him 2 - 3 games more to get up to speed.

    He's still the best centre we have from a technical point of view and has plenty to offer. If available for the entire season I could see him playing a fair bit when his sharpness picks up again.

    You don't just "lose your legs", he's just slower out of the blocks for the first two matches. By October he would probably be around where he was last season but tire more towards the end of the season.

    It was very telling for me more than at any time, how after the 2014 6N both BOD and Darcy looked spent, neither reached top form for the remainder of the season.

    I'm not so sure, I saw an article a few months back about he was working really hard over the summer just to be ready for the WC. He really shouldn't have been that far off the pace, more than just a lack of sharpness I think.


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    #5678
    Mr.Applepie
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    In your opinion......

    You leave this thread sir, this is a D'Arcy love in and your bitterness over him keeping Paddy Wallace out of the Irish team is unwelcome..... oh and you can leave one of those young Ulster centres on your way out (Arnold would be good) :)


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    #5679
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    shuffol wrote: »
    I'm not so sure, I saw an article a few months back about he was working really hard over the summer just to be ready for the WC. He really shouldn't have been that far off the pace, more than just a lack of sharpness I think.

    That's all well and good, but training isn't as aggressive or hard hitting as a match and having good fitness doesn't mean you are ready to take hit after hit after hit and then get up and go at it again. Younger players will get their second wind that little bit faster and will have better active recovery during a game in contact sports.

    Darcy was similar last year, had some very good spells during the season but he can't do 15+ games a year any more, but if you played him in 10 / 12 he'd be fine and would show up well.

    In any case, I stand by what I said - if Darcy played this season he'd have some good games but would struggle to last a 6N campaign as first choice if for whatever reason he found himself in that circumstance.

    I would say he will stay training and playing until the world cup final because with cave in the squad I think he could be close to one injury away from getting a call up.


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    #5680
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Undoubtedly. Unfortunately, I think the appetite for glorious send offs is lessened after the dreary long long goodbye for BOD. (Not his fault).

    POC, D'arcy, Jennings are all choosing to slip away quietly rather than face that over emotional, embarrassing hype-fest.

    POC, Darcy, Jennings are just great Irish players. We have had plenty as good as them in the past, do at the moment, and will in the future.

    BOD was a comet that blazed across our skies the likes of which will not be seen for anther hundred years, and even then, unlikely to be in such an influential, tryscoring, matchwinning, stylish, jink-of-dreams positition.
    His send-off was short and muted in the context of his greatness.


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    #5681
    rrpc
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    BOD was a comet that blazed across our skies the likes of which will not be seen for anther hundred years, and even then, unlikely to be in such an influential, tryscoring, matchwinning, stylish, jink-of-dreams positition.
    His send-off was short and muted in the context of his greatness.
    Is there nothing to be said for Jonny Sexton then?

    Many would consider him the best out half in the world currently and even if some do not, it can't be denied that he's at least one of the best.

    What were the chances of having two of the best players in the world in their respective positions playing on the same team and for the same small rugby playing nation?

    Diminishingly small I would have thought yet we managed it. :D


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    #5682
    dregin
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    Speaking of world class players, I saw both Heaslip and Jordi Murphy listed in the top 10 numbers 8s in the world by ESPN. I know he's not won an international cap yet, but personally, I'd have CJ Stander ahead of Jordi.


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    #5683
    irishbucsfan
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    dregin wrote: »
    Speaking of world class players, I saw both Heaslip and Jordi Murphy listed in the top 10 numbers 8s in the world by ESPN. I know he's not won an international cap yet, but personally, I'd have CJ Stander ahead of Jordi.

    Yeah I'd agree with that, but I suppose Stander's profile is not going to be particularly huge until he plays at international level. If he does play for us it'll be interesting to see where he fits.


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    #5684
    CatFromHue
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    I wouldn't have Murphy or Stander in there, not sure how Murphy got in at all


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    #5685
    dregin
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I wouldn't have Murphy or Stander in there, not sure how Murphy got in at all
    That too. It was pretty bloody weird.


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    #5686
    dub_skav
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    They probably just ranked the number 8s who started in any 6 nations or Rugby Championship games this year and Jordi sneaked into the top 10 due to his 1 solid performance.


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    #5687
    Josie Early Bin
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    Did Murphy write the list?


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    #5688
    dregin
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    I lied - it was Rugby Banter Page: http://rugbybanterpage.co.uk/rbp-player-rankings-top-ten-number-8s/


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    #5689
    Squidgy Black
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    dregin wrote: »
    I lied - it was Rugby Banter Page: http://rugbybanterpage.co.uk/rbp-player-rankings-top-ten-number-8s/

    Did they just run out of players that they could think of when writing the article?


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    #5690
    dub_skav
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    _Tyrrell_ wrote: »
    Did they just run out of players that they could think of when writing the article?

    Looks like it's just somebody having a pop at the Scots :)


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    #5691
    irishbucsfan
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    Has anyone seen the u20s this year? Hows James Ryan looking?


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    #5692
    Hagz
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the u20s this year? Hows James Ryan looking?

    He's only just back from injury I believe. Got some time off the bench in their recent match against Connacht.


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    #5693
    Neil3030
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    _Tyrrell_ wrote: »
    Did they just run out of players that they could think of when writing the article?

    Rugby Banter have had a well-documented Catalonian bias for some years now.


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    #5694
    stephen_n
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    scott1974 wrote: »
    Yes, there's no doubting that. I just think we could give him a 20 min cameo.
    I wouldn't consider him a liability.

    Anyway, maybe he's made his mind up and he's gone...

    God know, I think he'd have no problem with 20 mins of the bench and truly deserves every bit as much a send of as BOD, Leinster legend, just don't think starting him would do anyone any good.


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    #5695
    LorMal
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    POC, Darcy, Jennings are just great Irish players. We have had plenty as good as them in the past, do at the moment, and will in the future.

    BOD was a comet that blazed across our skies the likes of which will not be seen for anther hundred years, and even then, unlikely to be in such an influential, tryscoring, matchwinning, stylish, jink-of-dreams positition.
    His send-off was short and muted in the context of his greatness.

    Nah, he was just an excellent rugby player - one of the best ever. Sycophantic dribbling is embarrassing.


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    #5696
    CatFromHue
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    I wouldn't consider POC "just" a great Irish player.

    He's defo up there with the greats of the game.

    For every Lions test that he was fit for he was picked and he did Captain them in SA too.

    Ho got his first cap for Ireland in his first season with Munster and has been pretty much first choice since.

    To me POC is very much on the same level as BOD.

    ROG would "just" be a great Irish player though


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    #5697
    Podge_irl
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    CatFromHue wrote: »

    To me POC is very much on the same level as BOD.

    Possibly semantics but he's not really. He's the level below and still at a phenomenally high level but BOD is one of a kind in Ireland.


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    #5698
    flouncer
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider POC "just" a great Irish player.

    He's defo up there with the greats of the game.

    For every Lions test that he was fit for he was picked and he did Captain them in SA too.

    Ho got his first cap for Ireland in his first season with Munster and has been pretty much first choice since.

    To me POC is very much on the same level as BOD.

    ROG would "just" be a great Irish player though

    Its not possible to compare POC and BOD. They simply have different qualities. BOD is simply the most outstanding centre we have ever had. POC is the best team leader in memory. So you are comparing apples with oranges


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    #5699
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Nah, he was just an excellent rugby player - one of the best ever. Sycophantic dribbling is embarrassing.

    Ah heyor.

    BOD was the living apotheosis of all that we dream of in the game of rugby, whose eternal beauty of man in motion, and bullet time reading of play, invention of thought, and artistic perfection of execution, brought tears of joy to the eye of grown men, and brought all who saw him play, metaphorically or actually, to their knees, in thanks to whatever gods they believe in, for the eternal privilege of being alive to see him play.


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    #5700
    flouncer
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Ah heyor.

    BOD was the living apotheosis of all that we dream of in the game of rugby, whose eternal beauty of man in motion, and bullet time reading of play, invention of thought, and artistic perfection of execution, brought tears of joy to the eye of grown men, and brought all who saw him play, metaphorically or actually, to their knees, in thanks to whatever gods they believe in, for the eternal privilege of being alive to see him play.

    While my grasp of the English language is decent, your grasp is better :-). Well said.


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    #5701
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Ah heyor.

    BOD was the living apotheosis of all that we dream of in the game of rugby, whose eternal beauty of man in motion, and bullet time reading of play, invention of thought, and artistic perfection of execution, brought tears of joy to the eye of grown men, and brought all who saw him play, metaphorically or actually, to their knees, in thanks to whatever gods they believe in, for the eternal privilege of being alive to see him play.

    you forgot to mention his glistening thighs and his firm buttocks.


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